Mona Lisa & characters bios in Season 4

[Amaranthus]

Originally Posted by senpai

I think you mean amphibian not newt. And whateva. I say what I want.

http://i.ytimg.com/vi/z0-KZS1dDyw/hqdefault.jpg

Newtralizer has his name for a reason. And newts are amphibians.

Originally Posted by LeotheLateBloomer

This female lizard looks like a strong, independent enough character to stand out on her own that I feel that calling her Mona Lisa would be a waste. I know they're heavy on fanservice in this show but it feels like they create characters that are too unique and original to be called "remember this character".

If she's a strong independent character why are you mislabelling her?
The Social Justice Biologist in me is so pissed off right now.

[senpai]

Originally Posted by LeotheLateBloomer

it feels like they create characters that are too unique and original to be called "remember this character".

I never thought about it like that. This is an excellent observation and very true. These characters are so original that they deserve their own names. Mona Lisa feels like it's being too forced in comparison to the other alien names introduced in season 4.

Originally Posted by Amaranthus

And newts are amphibians.

Duh You were getting persnickety with names and listed a general classification like reptile then a specific species of amphibians like newt so I was just getting persnickety back by... Nevermind. I don't like explaining jokes lol

[LeotheLateBloomer]

Originally Posted by Amaranthus

Newtralizer has his name for a reason. And newts are amphibians.



If she's a strong independent character why are you mislabelling her?
The Social Justice Biologist in me is so pissed off right now.

*facepalm* I said she looks like she could be a strong character. And what does your knowledge in biology have to do with an anthropomorphic character's personality?

[senpai]

Originally Posted by LeotheLateBloomer

*facepalm* Strong under determination. I said looks like she could be. And what does your knowledge in biology has to do with a bipedal character's personality?

I think he's on a mission to convince everyone to use the term 'amphibian' or 'newt'. Don't worry; you're fine.

[LeotheLateBloomer]

Yeah, thanks. I know I am.

[Amaranthus]

Originally Posted by LeotheLateBloomer

*facepalm* I said she looks like she could be a strong character. And what does your knowledge in biology have to do with an anthropomorphic character's personality?

You called her a lizard. Which is unforgivable.

[LeotheLateBloomer]

Oh, *sniff*.....cry me a river.

[TigerClaw]

Originally Posted by LeotheLateBloomer

This female lizard looks like a strong, independent enough character to stand out on her own that I feel that calling her Mona Lisa would be a waste. I know they're heavy on fanservice in this show but it feels like they create characters that are too unique and original to be called "remember this character".

The show takes a lot of liberties on these characters, they don't have the same origins, they are in name only.

And this version of Mona Lisa is not a lizard, she resembles more a salamander, which is why her race is called the Salamandrians.

[Luckyday]

Originally Posted by LeotheLateBloomer

This female lizard looks like a strong, independent enough character to stand out on her own that I feel that calling her Mona Lisa would be a waste. I know they're heavy on fanservice in this show but it feels like they create characters that are too unique and original to be called "remember this character".

Most re-imagined characters are like that in this series but when the originally character's bio are so generically cookie cutter in the landscape of saturday morning cartoons then having a different twist is not only appreciated but it makes the character stand out.

That being said, new Mona Lisa is pretty much the opposite of what she was originally in the David Wise cartoon but she still has the same purpose which to be Raph's match. In the David Wise cartoon she was a match in Raph's whit and being an all round smart ass in the group. In this version, she his match in brute force and having a "take no prisoner" type of attitude just like Raph, who is still bit of a smart ass but has more angry management issues which fits with new Mona Lisa's disposition. Her being a warrior instead of being a woman of science maybe make more sense depending on what they're trying to do in context of the story but I just hope it's not going to come down to them having this little pissing contest. I'm not a huge fan of the 90's bickering couple trope. It wasn't cute when 2k3 April and 2k3 Casey did it and won't be well like here.

[alypkm]

Originally Posted by Shark_Blade

I'm still not digging Mona Lisa's style, too animalistic...

Kinda like the frogs and Napolean. Too frog-like in real life. We don't have the turtles looking like red-eared sliders...

Well, at least she's back. Props to Ciro and team.

oh finally someone noticed this other than me, I realized that most of the new mutants looks so detailed and looks like the real thing, while the turtles actually looks nothing like real turtles or as much detailed.

[TigerClaw]

Originally Posted by alypkm

oh finally someone noticed this other than me, I realized that most of the new mutants looks so detailed and looks like the real thing, while the turtles actually looks nothing like real turtles or as much detailed.

You can say the same about Mondo Gecko, His face looks more like a real gecko then in previous incarnations.

I would have preferred that all the mutants have humanoid like faces, that were still animal like, which is why I'm used to the mutant designs from the Fred Wolf series.

Since the Mutagen was involved, They were supposed to develop human like qualities due to the fusion of human and animal DNA.

[aliena]

I'm pretty disappointed in Mona Lisa's design, but I'm willing to give it a chance. I just couldn't see Mikey liking Renet and it ended up working out great for me personally. I just hope Mona doesn't talk like the Newtralizer. I guess it has to do with where Raph is with Alopex in IDW that is most likely dragging me down about Mona.

I do hope that it isn't love at first sight with Raph, they have all been love at first sight. I'd like Raph to be his usual self where he doesn't trust her and fights the idea of her being around. I don't want them to fight and bicker either. The slow burn would be nice for once, well Nick's version of the slow burn.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

Agreed. I am kind of on the fence about her myself.

[Luckyday]

Originally Posted by aliena

I'm pretty disappointed in Mona Lisa's design, but I'm willing to give it a chance. I just couldn't see Mikey liking Renet and it ended up working out great for me personally. I just hope Mona doesn't talk like the Newtralizer. I guess it has to do with where Raph is with Alopex in IDW that is most likely dragging me down about Mona.

I do hope that it isn't love at first sight with Raph, they have all been love at first sight. I'd like Raph to be his usual self where he doesn't trust her and fights the idea of her being around. I don't want them to fight and bicker either. The slow burn would be nice for once, well Nick's version of the slow burn.

You know it will be a nice surprise if this episode is actually a subtle character study of Raph and how he feels about indirectly causing the Earth to be suck into a black hole but even if not then maybe it's more a broad character look on how he has put on a tough front despite of what happen.

The premise of two enemies having to put their differences aside for a common goal sounds too simple and straightforward. I mean why else would the Mona Lisa in this version act so similar to Raph if it's not meant for him to self reflect on himself and his actions and maybe even for him to display empathy for her. Also self reflecting through another character is a common theme with Raph centric episodes like Turtle Temper; The Good,The Bad, and the Casey Jones, and The episode that had the second appearance of the Newtrailzer.

[TigerClaw]

Originally Posted by aliena

I'm pretty disappointed in Mona Lisa's design, but I'm willing to give it a chance. I just couldn't see Mikey liking Renet and it ended up working out great for me personally. I just hope Mona doesn't talk like the Newtralizer. I guess it has to do with where Raph is with Alopex in IDW that is most likely dragging me down about Mona.

I do hope that it isn't love at first sight with Raph, they have all been love at first sight. I'd like Raph to be his usual self where he doesn't trust her and fights the idea of her being around. I don't want them to fight and bicker either. The slow burn would be nice for once, well Nick's version of the slow burn.

If you seen the clip from the NYCC panel, She does this little sound before she speaks, like the Newtralizer but very different sound, almost sounds like a growl or roar.

[Amaranthus]

Originally Posted by LeotheLateBloomer

Oh, *sniff*.....cry me a river.

I have no reason to cry because I can tell amphibians and reptiles apart.

[SophieDem]

Originally Posted by Luckyday

http://40.media.tumblr.com/fa864c178...hjio1_1280.jpg

Doesn't look too bad to me. Heck, I remember how I didn't like Slash's design but I got over it quickly when I saw it in animation.

It may be the same for Mona Lisa.

Edit: Anyone notice that her skin color is a tad darker? Even if she an alien, maybe the design is base on a type of salamander that change colors?

Beautiful couple... From this angle, she seems really scary but I liked how she acted in one of the first clips from season 4. Geez, i don't know how to feel about this. I am a bit intolerant and a bit excited at the same time. I didn't really like Mona in the cartoon version - but this salamander lady looks more... definite. Somebody who could stand out.
Just please! Creators of TMNT! We don't want lovey-dovey stuff! Hear my prayers! Ciro, you hear me?

[cryan]

Yeah, not the cute female mutant Salamander I remember from FW. Glad she's back but dang they could have done a little better job on her. Just sayin.

Originally Posted by Shark_Blade

I'm still not digging Mona Lisa's style, too animalistic...

Kinda like the frogs and Napolean. Too frog-like in real life. We don't have the turtles looking like red-eared sliders...

Well, at least she's back. Props to Ciro and team.