Are we ever going to get a TV show that isn't mainly a toy commercial? - Page 2

*Krutch* · 11-02-2015, 06:11 AM

Very, very slim chance of it ever happening. And if I had to guess, if it were ever to come to fruition, it'd be a limited 6 or 9 episode series to test the waters on Netflix or something. Kind of like how Out of the Shadows aimed for the more "mature" TMNT market, but wasn't given a full game budget.

~~Commenter 42~~ · 11-02-2015, 01:42 PM

Lol. I see.

It could happen, but only if Disney bought the rights. Viacom is too entrenched to do anything else.

*CyberCubed* · 11-02-2015, 04:00 PM

I have to say, TMNT cartoons are the best "toy commercials" I have ever seen. Lots of shows don't even put effort in and you can tell they're just there as an advertisement, I never felt that way of any of the cartoons. Not even the original cartoon.

*Powder* · 11-02-2015, 06:06 PM

Likewise, we're fortunate in that way. I don't think it's anywhere near as bad as neatoman seems to. I think the current creative team does a great way of working in what they must & weaving around the input/mandates of their "investors".

~~Commenter 42~~ · 11-03-2015, 01:18 AM

I really dug the season premier, not sure if that's the ep that the op thought was too pushy.

If the toys were better, I'd buy.

*Tetsu Deinonychus* · 11-13-2015, 08:09 PM

I think there is a problem with networks viewing action cartoons as always having to be toy driven, as opposed to comedy driven cartoons which are allowed to stand on their own a little more. This is what killed 2012 Thundercat's and Sym-bionic Titan.

As for TMNT, I think the sale to Viacom sealed that a TMNT show will always exist at least partially to promote toys. But, a toy driven show can still be good if the creative people they hire to make it still put their heart into making a good show. All three animated TMNT shows are proof of that.

I'd say the 2003 show is the least toy-driven. It existed as much because Peter Laird wanted a show that reflects the original comics better and because 4kids wanted to add more variety to a Saturday Morning block that was mostly butchered anime dubs, as it did to sell toys. And, had less toy inspired characters, vehicles, etc.as a result. (Not counting "Back to the Sewers" at least) .

The most toy driven IMO would be the original, but that's just because it's a product of it's time. It was the golden age of toy-driven cartoons after all. But, that's all just my opinion.

Maybe a DTV movie would be cool, though.

*Powder* · 11-13-2015, 08:12 PM

The only time Playmates' involvement becomes obvious in the bulk of 4kids' series is with all the vehicles.

Mirage Don was not that savvy/resourceful...

*CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy* · 11-13-2015, 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Powder

The only time Playmates' involvement becomes obvious in the bulk of 4kids' series is with all the vehicles.

Mirage Don was not that savvy/resourceful...

Definitely that, and later when the cartoon started "genre jumping" with Seasons 5, 6, and 7. All new characters AND costumes for the Turtles, just waiting for action figures to make their way into children's hands...

Except, we never even saw any toys from "Back to the Sewers", did we? Didn't the toyline end with the conclusion of "Fast Forward?"

*Tetsu Deinonychus* · 11-13-2015, 08:22 PM

Yeah, I guess when I say the 2003 series is the least toy driven. I really mean the first few seasons.

veemonjosh · 11-14-2015, 09:11 AM

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Originally Posted by CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy

Except, we never even saw any toys from "Back to the Sewers", did we? Didn't the toyline end with the conclusion of "Fast Forward?"

There were Back to the Sewers toys, but only a few.

*ProactiveMan* · 11-14-2015, 11:16 PM

I think the only way you will see one-shot, animated Turtles movies would be if the rights were sold to Warner Bros or Disney, and one of their execs/producers felt a burning desire to make it happen. And don't get me wrong, WB and Disney would still produce a heavily merchandised kids show, but there could be a chance that some small animated projects would be made in parallel, by one of their in-house teams. I don't think Viacom is set up to do something like that.

*Tetsu Deinonychus* · 11-15-2015, 12:27 AM

Yeah. That's probably because WB and Disney own DC and Marvel. Whereas I don't think Viacom owns IDW and so has no stake in promoting the comics themselves (from a business standpoint the comics exist to promote the show/toys).

*Coola Yagami* · 11-15-2015, 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Tetsu Deinonychus Power-5

Yeah, I guess when I say the 2003 series is the least toy driven. I really mean the first few seasons.

Naw, they kept bringing in all these new characters and new vehicles and new costumes/outfits for the turtles. Even one of the first few episodes 'Darkness on the edge of Town' or whatever, had the Turtles jumping around on skateboards, rollerblades, bikes and whatnot to match the sports themed turtles.

Although the Nick Toon is heavily catching up to the variants, at least the 80's TMNT never wore any of their made-up extra outfits and gear from the toyline.

*Tetsu Deinonychus* · 11-15-2015, 07:15 PM

Yeah, good point. I guess they've all been noticeably toy driven from the start.

*MsMarvelDuckie* · 11-15-2015, 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Coola Yagami

Although the Nick Toon is heavily catching up to the variants, at least the 80's TMNT never wore any of their made-up extra outfits and gear from the toyline.

You forgot about Undercover Don.... And the Movie III Turtles and April. (Not ton-related, but STILL....) It's too bad we never got a full set of those "Undercover" turtles, though. They ALL had the trench coats and masks!

~~Leo656~~ · 11-15-2015, 09:33 PM

They totally missed the memo about a "disguise" not making you look more conspicuous.

Although I get that was the point of the gag, "they stand out no matter what they do". But yeah.

*MsMarvelDuckie* · 11-15-2015, 09:42 PM

Well, it IS kind of hard to disguise the fact that they have that huge shell on their backs, and three-digit hands. I mean, look at Raph in those photos from the cut scene in last year's film! No, nothing suspicious THERE....

*Andrew NDB* · 11-15-2015, 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Commenter 42

If such a show existed, would you be content to just watch said show, with no collectibles?

Absolutely. But this show isn't for you or I. Certainly not at our ages.

*miru* · 11-30-2015, 05:15 PM

With the advent of Netflix, it's a bit more possible than it used to be.

*Sabacooza* · 11-30-2015, 05:35 PM

Why not have a well done live action or animated web series made for the adult crowd that stays close to the source material?

11-13-2015, 08:09 PM	#26
Tetsu Deinonychus The Iron Dinosaur Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Studio Snowlion HQ Posts: 3,021	I think there is a problem with networks viewing action cartoons as always having to be toy driven, as opposed to comedy driven cartoons which are allowed to stand on their own a little more. This is what killed 2012 Thundercat's and Sym-bionic Titan. As for TMNT, I think the sale to Viacom sealed that a TMNT show will always exist at least partially to promote toys. But, a toy driven show can still be good if the creative people they hire to make it still put their heart into making a good show. All three animated TMNT shows are proof of that. I'd say the 2003 show is the least toy-driven. It existed as much because Peter Laird wanted a show that reflects the original comics better and because 4kids wanted to add more variety to a Saturday Morning block that was mostly butchered anime dubs, as it did to sell toys. And, had less toy inspired characters, vehicles, etc.as a result. (Not counting "Back to the Sewers" at least) . The most toy driven IMO would be the original, but that's just because it's a product of it's time. It was the golden age of toy-driven cartoons after all. But, that's all just my opinion. Maybe a DTV movie would be cool, though. __________________ (Image hosting by Postimage.org) And here's a list of all my old wacky threads!

11-13-2015, 08:22 PM	#29
Tetsu Deinonychus The Iron Dinosaur Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Studio Snowlion HQ Posts: 3,021	Yeah, I guess when I say the 2003 series is the least toy driven. I really mean the first few seasons. __________________ (Image hosting by Postimage.org) And here's a list of all my old wacky threads!

11-14-2015, 11:16 PM	#31
ProactiveMan Spooky ghost Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: Western Australia Posts: 2,266	I think the only way you will see one-shot, animated Turtles movies would be if the rights were sold to Warner Bros or Disney, and one of their execs/producers felt a burning desire to make it happen. And don't get me wrong, WB and Disney would still produce a heavily merchandised kids show, but there could be a chance that some small animated projects would be made in parallel, by one of their in-house teams. I don't think Viacom is set up to do something like that. __________________ ProactiveMan!

11-15-2015, 12:27 AM	#32
Tetsu Deinonychus The Iron Dinosaur Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Studio Snowlion HQ Posts: 3,021	Yeah. That's probably because WB and Disney own DC and Marvel. Whereas I don't think Viacom owns IDW and so has no stake in promoting the comics themselves (from a business standpoint the comics exist to promote the show/toys). __________________ (Image hosting by Postimage.org) And here's a list of all my old wacky threads!

11-15-2015, 07:15 PM	#34
Tetsu Deinonychus The Iron Dinosaur Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Studio Snowlion HQ Posts: 3,021	Yeah, good point. I guess they've all been noticeably toy driven from the start. __________________ (Image hosting by Postimage.org) And here's a list of all my old wacky threads!

11-02-2015, 06:11 AM	#21
Krutch Like, stupid rich. Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: The Rawkzone Posts: 2,808	Very, very slim chance of it ever happening. And if I had to guess, if it were ever to come to fruition, it'd be a limited 6 or 9 episode series to test the waters on Netflix or something. Kind of like how Out of the Shadows aimed for the more "mature" TMNT market, but wasn't given a full game budget.

11-02-2015, 01:42 PM	#22
~~Commenter 42~~ Banned Join Date: Feb 2012 Posts: 3,954	Lol. I see. It could happen, but only if Disney bought the rights. Viacom is too entrenched to do anything else.

11-02-2015, 04:00 PM	#23
CyberCubed Overlord Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 43,880	I have to say, TMNT cartoons are the best "toy commercials" I have ever seen. Lots of shows don't even put effort in and you can tell they're just there as an advertisement, I never felt that way of any of the cartoons. Not even the original cartoon.

11-02-2015, 06:06 PM	#24
Powder 40 Years of TMNT Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Shell-Ri-La Posts: 26,956	Likewise, we're fortunate in that way. I don't think it's anywhere near as bad as neatoman seems to. I think the current creative team does a great way of working in what they must & weaving around the input/mandates of their "investors".

11-03-2015, 01:18 AM	#25
~~Commenter 42~~ Banned Join Date: Feb 2012 Posts: 3,954	I really dug the season premier, not sure if that's the ep that the op thought was too pushy. If the toys were better, I'd buy.

11-13-2015, 08:12 PM	#27
Powder 40 Years of TMNT Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Shell-Ri-La Posts: 26,956	The only time Playmates' involvement becomes obvious in the bulk of 4kids' series is with all the vehicles. Mirage Don was not that savvy/resourceful...

11-15-2015, 09:33 PM	#36
~~Leo656~~ Banned Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: nWo Country Posts: 27,703	They totally missed the memo about a "disguise" not making you look more conspicuous. Although I get that was the point of the gag, "they stand out no matter what they do". But yeah.

11-15-2015, 09:42 PM	#37
MsMarvelDuckie I Married a Duck! Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: The bowels of Hell, Texas(otherwise known as Decatur) Posts: 8,773	Well, it IS kind of hard to disguise the fact that they have that huge shell on their backs, and three-digit hands. I mean, look at Raph in those photos from the cut scene in last year's film! No, nothing suspicious THERE.... __________________ "You IDIOTS! You've captured their STUNT doubles!" -from "Spaceballs" "Where Science ends, magic begins." -Spiral, Uncanny X-Men #491 My various stories and fan-fics are now here- https://m.fanfiction.net/u/4770494/#end

11-30-2015, 05:15 PM	#39
miru Mad Scientist Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 1,874	With the advent of Netflix, it's a bit more possible than it used to be. __________________ Proud Digimon nut.

11-30-2015, 05:35 PM	#40
Sabacooza Mad Scientist Join Date: May 2005 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 1,994	Why not have a well done live action or animated web series made for the adult crowd that stays close to the source material?