The Best Wrestler of All Time - Page 4

*That Matt Guy* · 07-15-2003, 07:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Ninja Turtles Cartoon Fan

his movies made more in one weekend than Hogan's have done for 10 years

But Mr. Nanny is a better movie than the Scorpion King.

~~Leo656~~ · 07-15-2003, 01:12 PM

And you know what... I'll agree to that, and I hated Mr. Nanny!

There are a lot of reasons why I don't like the Rock. Partly because his first match EVER was a dark match (a non-televised match) for the WWF, and *then* he was sent down to Memphis for "seasoning". A 22-year old kid was handed a golden opportunity that thousands of people every year aspire (and fail) to get, and why? Because Rocky Johnson (Rock's father) works in some capacity for McMahon. He was guaranteed a WWF career before his first pro match, and that really irks me when so many people never even come close to getting a break like that. Favoritism in wrestling pisses me off to NO end.

Secondly, something bothers me about the way he became popular. He was put on tv week after week as a good guy, and the fans HATED him. They hated his wrestling, they hated his "million dollar smile", they hated his stupid chia pet haircut he had back then... "Die, Rocky, Die" ring any bells? But the WWF persisted because they were determined to make the kid a star, and he kept getting a push. Over time, though, the boos became cheers because the fans just plain got tired of booing him since they knew he would never go away. His wrestling style didn't change one bit. He was still a lousy wrestler, but he started to compensate by being a master of interviews, and the fans started to laugh at his lame jokes and essentially cemented his place as an enormous good guy forever. The Rock is one of the "modern" wrestlers like HHH who can talk on the mic for hours but then put on crappy matches when it's time to actually wrestle, and that's another reason that I don't like him. It's wrestling, not a debate or a stand-up comedy routine or a concert (damn him AND that stupid guitar...)

And finally there's the fact that his finisher just annoys me. Not the Rock Bottom... the Rock Bottom is one of the better finishers around IMO. No, I'm talking about the People's Elbow, a move that 99% of the time never even TOUCHES the opponent, yet all opponents are contractually required to sell like DEATH. I believe it was Mick Foley who once gave an interview on Raw where he said something like he'd "be dead before he sold that abortion of a move." That was hilarious.

Rock annoys me more than anything. That and the fact he's an actor, now, not a wrestler, but he's guaranteed a run with the Title every time he comes back from making a movie because it'll promote ticket sales. Basically, he makes wrestling look cheap, like it's "beneath" him. As far as being one of the all-time greats, I honestly don't think he's even close. Maybe as an interview, but not as a wrestler.

*XERO* · 07-15-2003, 01:24 PM

Am I the ONLY guy who likes the Undertaker?!

Sheesh!

~~Reznorite420~~ · 07-15-2003, 05:04 PM

No, you're not

*Dane E5R* · 07-15-2003, 05:31 PM

I think HHH is the best. But my favorite will always be X-Pac.

**GK Punk** · 07-15-2003, 08:21 PM

I'm a huge Undertaker fan, but he brawls more than wrestles...

*XERO* · 07-15-2003, 09:58 PM

I'm talking about the real Undertaker, the Phenom. Not the American Badass Big Evil Taker.

The one who rolls his eyes inside his head.

~~Leo656~~ · 07-15-2003, 10:09 PM

I used to like X-Pac until I found out he was a heroin addict in his spare time. That kinda turned me off. I did like him as Syxx in WCW though. That name was just so darn clever.

HHH bothers me because he's manipulative. All his success, he got because of someone else. He got popular by hanging out with HBK and Nash, and because *they* were "in" with Vince McMahon, Trips was too by default. It's no surprise that he came up hard and fast once he and HBK got paired up on TV as DX. After two years the crowd finally started reacting, but he mistakenly thought his heat was from himself and not from Michaels. Then when he was with the New-Age Outlaws, he again thought the crowds were reacting to him and not Road Dogg's jokes. Somehow he convinced himself that he was a bona-fide, main event star along the lines of Austin and Rock, and he managed to get himself the belt after Austin and Foley were both out with injuries. He wasn't a particularly bad champion, but he never got a reaction to justify his hype.

Of course, that makes no difference to Trips because HE believes he's the Second Coming. He has his spot and he does everything he can to keep it. When Chris Jericho came in, he was supposed to get a huge push and a feud with the Rock right away. But Trips and X-Pac went to Vince and said Jericho couldn't wrestle, he was sloppy, he was too small (think about that.... X-PAC said someone was too small), and he didn't deserve a push. Big surprise, it was about 3 years before Jericho finally got his feud with the Rock.

And don't even get me started on his thing with Stephanie McMahon. For anyone who doesn't know, as well as being the on-air "General Manager" of WWE Smackdown, Stephanie writes almost all of the storylines for the WWE. She comes up with feuds, decides who should have which belt, etc etc. Well, back when the two were paired up and "married" on TV a few years ago, along the way the two actually started dating in real life (which happens in wrestling all the time... Kevin Sullivan once booked his own real-life divorce into an angle with Chris Benoit) and have been engaged for some time. Trips and Steph are scheduled to be married on October 25th of this year. Now, marrying the boss's daughter is one thing, that's shady enough on its own, but it becomes even more so when you analyze it and realize that since the two started dating, HHH has lost cleanly to exactly TWO people: Hogan and Shawn Michaels, and one of those people just *happens* to be his best friend. The guy NEVER is made to look weak under any circumstances. One angle showed his car dropped from a forklift with him supposedly inside... he didn't even take a WEEK off to sell the "injury". That's more than a little ridiculous.

Pay close attention sometime and see how even when Trips loses, he's the one who ends up looking superior. When HBK beat him last year at SummerSlam, his big comeback match after 4 years away, Trips just HAD to take the spotlight away by bludgeoning his "best friend" with a sledgehammer and sending him out on a stretcher. I'm no Michaels lover, but that was HIS moment and Trips was a selfish bastard to ruin it just b/c he wanted his heat back.

And that's how he's done things ever since he hooked up with Stephanie. He calls his own shots, books entire episodes of Raw around himself, loses when he feels like it (which is VERY rare), and goes so far as to say he refuses to work with certain people. When Goldberg was brought in, HHH reportedly insisted he be kept far away from him on TV because HHH insisted that he would lose the Title to Nash, and ONLY Nash. Meanwhile, they just got done feuding for two months, and wouldn't you know it, he never even bothered dropping the strap to his "good buddy". Now Goldberg is going around saying that if he doesn't beat Trips for the belt at SummerSlam, he's quitting.

Probably the most annoying part is that business is down with HHH on top. Being the "top guy" is supposed to be a reward, it means you're the guy people pay to see. But ever since HHH came back from his quad tear, he's done nothing to justify his "Jesus Push". House show ticket sales are down, PPV buys are down, the belt around his waist means *nothing* because it was handed to him out of a suitcase and not won in the ring, and what's his excuse when he goes on the 'net to mouth off? "Guys like Jericho and RVD aren't good enough to carry the ball. If they want it, they can take it." And meanwhile he ignores the fact that the only way either of them will GET the ball is if he GIVES it to them, and he isn't.

I'm not the only one who feels this way. I overheard someone at the mall yesterday talking about Trips in much harsher words than I do. "Triple H needs to be smacked across the face with a brick and then shot.... no, wait, actually, make that shot TWICE... if you only shot him once, chances are good he'd no-sell it."

That's really, really harsh, but it goes to show you what the general consensus on the guy and his politicking is. That's why business is down. People are sick of him, sick of him acting like God, and they know it's only going to get worse come October when he will, for all intents and purposes, become The Boss.

Marrying the boss's daughter for the sake of a wrestling belt... I'm sorry but that just turns my stomach.

You can like him all you want, but I have no respect for him whatsoever aside from the fact that he worked hard to come back from his injury. But given the current state of things, we'd be better off if he'd stayed away.

*The Stryker* · 07-15-2003, 11:05 PM

amen to that leo

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07-15-2003, 01:24 PM	#63
XERO Hybrid Theorist Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Alamo City Posts: 8,185	Am I the ONLY guy who likes the Undertaker?! Sheesh! __________________ "Travel at the speed of light... then hit the nitro!"

07-15-2003, 05:31 PM	#65
Dane E5R Mad Scientist Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Topeka, Kansas Posts: 1,602	I think HHH is the best. But my favorite will always be X-Pac. __________________ http://www.luckyusshow.com

07-15-2003, 09:58 PM	#67
XERO Hybrid Theorist Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Alamo City Posts: 8,185	I'm talking about the real Undertaker, the Phenom. Not the American Badass Big Evil Taker. The one who rolls his eyes inside his head. __________________ "Travel at the speed of light... then hit the nitro!"

07-15-2003, 11:05 PM	#69
The Stryker Stupid Rich Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Room 237 Posts: 11,152	amen to that leo __________________ @~<3 Mom~@

07-15-2003, 01:12 PM	#62
~~Leo656~~ Banned Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: nWo Country Posts: 27,703	And you know what... I'll agree to that, and I hated Mr. Nanny! There are a lot of reasons why I don't like the Rock. Partly because his first match EVER was a dark match (a non-televised match) for the WWF, and then he was sent down to Memphis for "seasoning". A 22-year old kid was handed a golden opportunity that thousands of people every year aspire (and fail) to get, and why? Because Rocky Johnson (Rock's father) works in some capacity for McMahon. He was guaranteed a WWF career before his first pro match, and that really irks me when so many people never even come close to getting a break like that. Favoritism in wrestling pisses me off to NO end. Secondly, something bothers me about the way he became popular. He was put on tv week after week as a good guy, and the fans HATED him. They hated his wrestling, they hated his "million dollar smile", they hated his stupid chia pet haircut he had back then... "Die, Rocky, Die" ring any bells? But the WWF persisted because they were determined to make the kid a star, and he kept getting a push. Over time, though, the boos became cheers because the fans just plain got tired of booing him since they knew he would never go away. His wrestling style didn't change one bit. He was still a lousy wrestler, but he started to compensate by being a master of interviews, and the fans started to laugh at his lame jokes and essentially cemented his place as an enormous good guy forever. The Rock is one of the "modern" wrestlers like HHH who can talk on the mic for hours but then put on crappy matches when it's time to actually wrestle, and that's another reason that I don't like him. It's wrestling, not a debate or a stand-up comedy routine or a concert (damn him AND that stupid guitar...) And finally there's the fact that his finisher just annoys me. Not the Rock Bottom... the Rock Bottom is one of the better finishers around IMO. No, I'm talking about the People's Elbow, a move that 99% of the time never even TOUCHES the opponent, yet all opponents are contractually required to sell like DEATH. I believe it was Mick Foley who once gave an interview on Raw where he said something like he'd "be dead before he sold that abortion of a move." That was hilarious. Rock annoys me more than anything. That and the fact he's an actor, now, not a wrestler, but he's guaranteed a run with the Title every time he comes back from making a movie because it'll promote ticket sales. Basically, he makes wrestling look cheap, like it's "beneath" him. As far as being one of the all-time greats, I honestly don't think he's even close. Maybe as an interview, but not as a wrestler.

07-15-2003, 05:04 PM	#64
~~Reznorite420~~ Banned Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 3,851	No, you're not

07-15-2003, 08:21 PM	#66
GK Punk I'm your Devil Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 12,439	I'm a huge Undertaker fan, but he brawls more than wrestles...

07-15-2003, 10:09 PM	#68
~~Leo656~~ Banned Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: nWo Country Posts: 27,703	I used to like X-Pac until I found out he was a heroin addict in his spare time. That kinda turned me off. I did like him as Syxx in WCW though. That name was just so darn clever. HHH bothers me because he's manipulative. All his success, he got because of someone else. He got popular by hanging out with HBK and Nash, and because they were "in" with Vince McMahon, Trips was too by default. It's no surprise that he came up hard and fast once he and HBK got paired up on TV as DX. After two years the crowd finally started reacting, but he mistakenly thought his heat was from himself and not from Michaels. Then when he was with the New-Age Outlaws, he again thought the crowds were reacting to him and not Road Dogg's jokes. Somehow he convinced himself that he was a bona-fide, main event star along the lines of Austin and Rock, and he managed to get himself the belt after Austin and Foley were both out with injuries. He wasn't a particularly bad champion, but he never got a reaction to justify his hype. Of course, that makes no difference to Trips because HE believes he's the Second Coming. He has his spot and he does everything he can to keep it. When Chris Jericho came in, he was supposed to get a huge push and a feud with the Rock right away. But Trips and X-Pac went to Vince and said Jericho couldn't wrestle, he was sloppy, he was too small (think about that.... X-PAC said someone was too small), and he didn't deserve a push. Big surprise, it was about 3 years before Jericho finally got his feud with the Rock. And don't even get me started on his thing with Stephanie McMahon. For anyone who doesn't know, as well as being the on-air "General Manager" of WWE Smackdown, Stephanie writes almost all of the storylines for the WWE. She comes up with feuds, decides who should have which belt, etc etc. Well, back when the two were paired up and "married" on TV a few years ago, along the way the two actually started dating in real life (which happens in wrestling all the time... Kevin Sullivan once booked his own real-life divorce into an angle with Chris Benoit) and have been engaged for some time. Trips and Steph are scheduled to be married on October 25th of this year. Now, marrying the boss's daughter is one thing, that's shady enough on its own, but it becomes even more so when you analyze it and realize that since the two started dating, HHH has lost cleanly to exactly TWO people: Hogan and Shawn Michaels, and one of those people just happens to be his best friend. The guy NEVER is made to look weak under any circumstances. One angle showed his car dropped from a forklift with him supposedly inside... he didn't even take a WEEK off to sell the "injury". That's more than a little ridiculous. Pay close attention sometime and see how even when Trips loses, he's the one who ends up looking superior. When HBK beat him last year at SummerSlam, his big comeback match after 4 years away, Trips just HAD to take the spotlight away by bludgeoning his "best friend" with a sledgehammer and sending him out on a stretcher. I'm no Michaels lover, but that was HIS moment and Trips was a selfish bastard to ruin it just b/c he wanted his heat back. And that's how he's done things ever since he hooked up with Stephanie. He calls his own shots, books entire episodes of Raw around himself, loses when he feels like it (which is VERY rare), and goes so far as to say he refuses to work with certain people. When Goldberg was brought in, HHH reportedly insisted he be kept far away from him on TV because HHH insisted that he would lose the Title to Nash, and ONLY Nash. Meanwhile, they just got done feuding for two months, and wouldn't you know it, he never even bothered dropping the strap to his "good buddy". Now Goldberg is going around saying that if he doesn't beat Trips for the belt at SummerSlam, he's quitting. Probably the most annoying part is that business is down with HHH on top. Being the "top guy" is supposed to be a reward, it means you're the guy people pay to see. But ever since HHH came back from his quad tear, he's done nothing to justify his "Jesus Push". House show ticket sales are down, PPV buys are down, the belt around his waist means nothing because it was handed to him out of a suitcase and not won in the ring, and what's his excuse when he goes on the 'net to mouth off? "Guys like Jericho and RVD aren't good enough to carry the ball. If they want it, they can take it." And meanwhile he ignores the fact that the only way either of them will GET the ball is if he GIVES it to them, and he isn't. I'm not the only one who feels this way. I overheard someone at the mall yesterday talking about Trips in much harsher words than I do. "Triple H needs to be smacked across the face with a brick and then shot.... no, wait, actually, make that shot TWICE... if you only shot him once, chances are good he'd no-sell it." That's really, really harsh, but it goes to show you what the general consensus on the guy and his politicking is. That's why business is down. People are sick of him, sick of him acting like God, and they know it's only going to get worse come October when he will, for all intents and purposes, become The Boss. Marrying the boss's daughter for the sake of a wrestling belt... I'm sorry but that just turns my stomach. You can like him all you want, but I have no respect for him whatsoever aside from the fact that he worked hard to come back from his injury. But given the current state of things, we'd be better off if he'd stayed away.