Xenophobic backlash

[Bry]

My question is, did they sell? I know my examples are just anecdotal, but man, Slave Leia and Greedo were dust-collectors in every store near me.

Classic cinnamon-bun-hair Leia with a couple blasters would have been a much better choice, IMO. Or Hoth Leia, which is practically the same outfit as the look from her recent, well-publicized comic series:



I'm sure there'll always be a market for the Slave Leia merchandise, but as the first Leia toy in a major, mass-market line? Pretty dumb decision, IMO.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Originally Posted by Bry

My question is, did they sell? I know my examples are just anecdotal, but man, Slave Leia and Greedo were dust-collectors in every store near me.

Classic cinnamon-bun-hair Leia with a couple blasters would have been a much better choice, IMO. Or Hoth Leia, which is practically the same outfit as the look from her recent, well-publicized comic series:

https://i.annihil.us/u/prod/marvel/i...b9dc093a15.jpg

I'm sure there'll always be a market for the Slave Leia merchandise, but as the first Leia toy in a major, mass-market line? Pretty dumb decision, IMO.

I've just always assumed a bunch of sad nerds in puberty were buying the Slave Leia figures when their moms weren't looking...

[Ninturtle]

Originally Posted by Katie

Do I have to work harder than some guy in my same position? You bet. Is it fair? Nope. But since I know its out there and its not fair, i can work with what I've been dealt in life.

This isn't necessarily true , while women get payed less there's other factors involved. Men typically work longer hours, take less days off ( both of these are usually a result of Mothers being nurturing than fathers), and pick better paying careers ( more men pick fields like engineering while women are often social workers , this difference in careers is due to the differences in the minds of men and women ). Women don't get paid less just because they're women it's because a lot of women don't work as much as men and in as high paying jobs as men because of biological differences. I could see why people believe that faulty statistic that women get payed less, it's so common even though it's leaving out a multitude of things.

[plastroncafe]

Okay, who ordered the malarkey?
*cough*

[pennydreadful]

Originally Posted by Leo656

I'm with you, man. One World Order, with one country and one language and one set of laws and one group of people running it! That's what we need!

...except that actually sounds like it has a huge bunch of things wrong with it, too! But come on, HOW else could there ever be "peace"? As long as you have at least two different groups, those groups are going to be in conflict with each other. The only way to even slow that down is to only have One Group. But even then, that never even works, anyway. People within the group always find stuff to fight about, they go their own way, and then you're back where you started.

So what the hell are we to do, exactly? I can't think of anything.

What are we to do? The only sane, rational decision: the world should accept me as its leader.

I will be a mostly benevolent dictator.

As far as the Slave Leia Controversy goes, I agree with the "objectification sucks" angle, but as far as the parental complaints go: bah. Why haven't this guy's kids seen the OT by now? That's just plain bad parenting.

I mean, ok, fair enough - you suck at parenting and don't want to talk to your kids, so you demand that the rest of the world censor itself to accommodate you and get the Slave Leia merchandise removed. What then? You start censoring what they watch on tv. Ok, great. But wait! What're you gonna do if you're out in public and you see a woman walking by wearing *gasp* a tank top??? Cover the kid's eyes and shout "Get thee to a nunnery?!"

Seriously, the only outrage about this whole thing is the sh*tty-ass paint job they did on Leia's face.

Originally Posted by CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy

I've just always assumed a bunch of sad nerds in puberty were buying the Slave Leia figures when their moms weren't looking...

... you're pretty on point there; I had a Slave Leia figure and it wasn't for the sake of having a complete collection! She stood on the shelf right next to my Lara Croft action figure.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Originally Posted by pennydreadful

What are we to do? The only sane, rational decision: the world should accept me as its leader.

I will be a mostly benevolent dictator.

As far as the Slave Leia Controversy goes, I agree with the "objectification sucks" angle, but as far as the parental complaints go: bah. Why haven't this guy's kids seen the OT by now? That's just plain bad parenting.

I mean, ok, fair enough - you suck at parenting and don't want to talk to your kids, so you demand that the rest of the world censor itself to accommodate you and get the Slave Leia merchandise removed. What then? You start censoring what they watch on tv. Ok, great. But wait! What're you gonna do if you're out in public and you see a woman walking by wearing *gasp* a tank top??? Cover the kid's eyes and shout "Get thee to a nunnery?!"

Seriously, the only outrage about this whole thing is the sh*tty-ass paint job they did on Leia's face.



... you're pretty on point there; I had a Slave Leia figure and it wasn't for the sake of having a complete collection! She stood on the shelf right next to my Lara Croft action figure.

Dammit, I wanted to be dictator.

Can I at least have Russia?

[plastroncafe]

Originally Posted by pennydreadful

What are we to do? The only sane, rational decision: the world should accept me as its leader.

I will be a mostly benevolent dictator.

Are you in the market for someone to hench in your name?

[snake]

Are we talking about slave leia?

Can we talk about how hot Carrie Fisher was in her prime? Like before the coke took over she was amazing.

Spoiler:

[plastroncafe]

You mean when she was self medicating her Bi-Polar disorder with drugs and alcohol.

[snake]

Originally Posted by plastroncafe

You mean when she was self medicating her Bi-Polar disorder with drugs and alcohol.

Pretty much. She said she didn't even like the drug, but she wanted to get high by whatever means.

And she herself admits that she took a lot more drugs than the people around her. Probably because of the Bi-polar disorder.

[Candy Kappa]

Originally Posted by Ninturtle

This isn't necessarily true , while women get payed less there's other factors involved. Men typically work longer hours, take less days off ( both of these are usually a result of Mothers being nurturing than fathers), and pick better paying careers ( more men pick fields like engineering while women are often social workers , this difference in careers is due to the differences in the minds of men and women ). Women don't get paid less just because they're women it's because a lot of women don't work as much as men and in as high paying jobs as men because of biological differences. I could see why people believe that faulty statistic that women get payed less, it's so common even though it's leaving out a multitude of things.

you even for real?

[Ninturtle]

Originally Posted by Candy Kappa

you even for real?

Yep, it's a faulty statistic and has been proven to be so , this video shows this pretty well.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=58arQIr882w

[plastroncafe]

Oh sweet summer child...

[Katie]

I was just talking about my own personal experiences with my job. I have no kids, I come in early, leave late, do all the special projects I can. I have two Masters degrees.

But I'm still passed up for promotions in favor of guys who take time off for sick kids, take months of on FMLA for kids being born, and come in an hour late and leave an hour early....because kids. Gotta get those kids to and from daycare. Guys with less education and more not being at work time.

So, yeah. My own experiences. Thats all.

[Candy Kappa]

Originally Posted by Ninturtle

Yep, it's a faulty statistic and has been proven to be so , this video shows this pretty well.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=58arQIr882w

Yore so funny, it's almost adorable. Almost.

[Mayhem]

Well, there are two things going on here (with lies, damn lies and statistics)...

1) In a like for like position, women generally are still earning less than men on average.

2) However, the pay gap is exaggerated moreso (and thus "less" accurate) when looking at the average pay for ALL jobs between men and women, because women are more likely to be in part time and lower paid work, thus "dragging down" the average.

I think that's what Ninturtle is awkwardly phrasing in trying to convey.

To give an example with some made up figures here...

Imagine there are ten men and ten women. Eight of the men do job A that pays $10/hour, and two men do job B that pays $5/hour. Conversely two of the women do job A and get $9.50/hour, and eight women do job B and get $4.75/hour.

Comparing job A and the people doing it, the women are being paid 5% less. Comparing job B and the people doing it, the women are also being paid 5% less.

However if you compare all the income together, the men on average are earning $9/hour. The women are earning an average of $5.70/hour. Thus it looks like on average women are being paid 48% less overall.

[plastroncafe]

Don't forget the tired and played out Gender Essentialism, or the willful ignorance with regards to context.
And that's not even touching the mansplaining...

[Ninturtle]

Originally Posted by Candy Kappa

Yore so funny, it's almost adorable. Almost.

I like how you don't even adress my points at all , you just say that I am "funny" and "almost adorable". Shows how smart you are , " Oh there's this guy I disagree with , instead of trying to say why he's wrong I'm going to call him names. That'll show him how wrong he is and how smart I am ".

[Candy Kappa]

There's nothing to address, though. You're claiming women don't get paid equally because of biological differences and laziness. You are hardly the best individual to even have a gender/race wage gap with, and honestly I'm not interested to have it with you either. You clearly shown your... "View points" in previous post.

[Ninturtle]

Originally Posted by Candy Kappa

There's nothing to address, though. You're claiming women don't get paid equally because of biological differences and laziness. You are hardly the best individual to even have a gender/race wage gap with, and honestly I'm not interested to have it with you either. You clearly shown your... "View points" in previous post.

Then why reply to me in the first place? If I don't want to start a debate with someone I don't say things that will incite them to start a debate , it's common sense.