Official TMNT 2 Trailer Discussion

[MsMarvelDuckie]

The development of the story was there, though. It was built up over the entire season- the dragon powers were the whole REASON for the Tribunal and acolytes storyline to begin with. It all built up to that final demon battle, and they pretty much HAD to use that power to defeat him, since he had proven that nothing else could even touch him.

[CyberCubed]

Originally Posted by CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy

EIGHT new characters are introduced (the Tribunal plus the four human acolytes), given little to no true character development, and then unceremoniously killed off in just a few episodes. For "shock value."

The Tribunal themselves were never intended to go through any development. They're strict masters whose only concern is the survival of the world and to stop the Demon Shredder. They don't need much more than that.

The human acolytes I agree with on the other hand, they were poorly handled and could have been omitted entirely.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

The Tribunal themselves were never intended to go through any development. They're strict masters whose only concern is the survival of the world and to stop the Demon Shredder. They don't need much more than that.

The human acolytes I agree with on the other hand, they were poorly handled and could have been omitted entirely.

Honestly, a lot of my problems with Season 5 would probably go away if 4Kids had received a full 26 episodes to build the story with.

[CyberCubed]

Originally Posted by CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy

Honestly, a lot of my problems with Season 5 would probably go away if 4Kids had received a full 26 episodes to build the story with.

Had that happened, I suspect we would have just gotten 10 or so fillers in New York during that break when that Nano/Justiceforce and that canceled Garbageman episode were supposed to air. I don't think they would have spent that much more time on the tribunal, at most another 2 or so training episodes.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

Had that happened, I suspect we would have just gotten 10 or so fillers in New York during that break when that Nano/Justiceforce and that canceled Garbageman episode were supposed to air. I don't think they would have spent that much more time on the tribunal, at most another 2 or so training episodes.

I dunno. Maybe. It's a good point. If they had more slowly built up to the Tribunal and all their mystical mumbo-jumbo spirit avatars, it would have been sloooooow and boring and we all would ask "What the hell is the point?"

But spirit avatars and all the rest just is not TMNT to me. Ugh. Way too manga.

[Leolead]

Originally Posted by TrickOrTreater

Why do you care?

Because you guys always complain about literally everything, and it's like you guys hate everything about this franchise no matter what they do. I'm not a fan of the FW toon (grew up with 2003), but I know most of you grew up with that show, and that seems to be the audience Bay and Co are catering the most to yet you still hate it. Now I apologize if I came off as condescending or rude, but i'm just trying to get my point across.

[The Boston Ninja Turtle]

Originally Posted by Leolead

Because you guys always complain about literally everything, and it's like you guys hate everything about this franchise no matter what they do. I'm not a fan of the FW toon (grew up with 2003), but I know most of you grew up with that show, and that seems to be the audience Bay and Co are catering the most to yet you still hate it. Now I apologize if I came off as condescending or rude, but i'm just trying to get my point across.

but that isnt even the case

Bay and Co. arnt trying to cater to anyone..they just happen to know thats the FW wolf is the most well known so the borrow from it

they just suck at executing it and only use it to get a quick buck


IDW takes elements from FW too, yet they do it well write it well and still give it their own spin in a well thought out manner (even 2k3 has some fw borrowing if subtle)


we complain because we love the franchise and want the best for it..we should just except steaming piles of green turds just because it has the TMNT name stickered on it...no one wins that way


and no one said you cant hate the FW toon..theres many areas of tmnt some fans like some dont...I persoanlly love the Coming out of their shells tour...most hate it

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Originally Posted by Leolead

Because you guys always complain about literally everything, and it's like you guys hate everything about this franchise no matter what they do. I'm not a fan of the FW toon (grew up with 2003), but I know most of you grew up with that show, and that seems to be the audience Bay and Co are catering the most to yet you still hate it. Now I apologize if I came off as condescending or rude, but i'm just trying to get my point across.

We don't hate Fred Wolf pandering; we hate bad writing and poor characterization.

[Bry]

Originally Posted by Leolead

Because you guys always complain about literally everything, and it's like you guys hate everything about this franchise no matter what they do.

Not even true at all. The complaints most of us have are actually very specific and have been explained and backed up at length. You don't have to agree, and feel free to debate the actual points made, but don't pretend we're just blindly "hating". Saying "you guys complain about everything" is dismissive and reductive.

Originally Posted by Leolead

Now I apologize if I came off as condescending or rude, but i'm just trying to get my point across.

You're still being condescending and rude. And I'm yet to see what your point actually is, beyond you having a problem with anyone criticizing these movies.

If that's what it ultimately comes down to, that's kind of your problem, not anyone else's.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Originally Posted by Bry

Not even true at all. The complaints most of us have are actually very specific and have been explained and backed up at length. You don't have to agree, and feel free to debate the actual points made, but don't pretend we're just blindly "hating". Saying "you guys complain about everything" is dismissive and reductive.



You're still being condescending and rude. And I'm yet to see what your point actually is, beyond you having a problem with anyone criticizing these movies.

If that's what it ultimately comes down to, that's kind of your problem, not anyone else's.

We're the problem, Bry. Duh.

[Bry]

Originally Posted by CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy

We're the problem, Bry. Duh.

At least we get sweet t-shirts!

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Originally Posted by Bry

At least we get sweet t-shirts!

http://cltampa.com/dailyloaf/files/2...em-solvers.jpg

Dude, I need that shirt in my life and on my body RIGHT NOW.

[Etsyturtle2]

That wuz a fun I traler I want more plz giv me nombir 2 plz laird guy nick.

[Zak The Neutrino]

Originally Posted by Leolead

Because you guys always complain about literally everything, and it's like you guys hate everything about this franchise no matter what they do. I'm not a fan of the FW toon (grew up with 2003), but I know most of you grew up with that show, and that seems to be the audience Bay and Co are catering the most to yet you still hate it. Now I apologize if I came off as condescending or rude, but i'm just trying to get my point across.

Correction the Mirage guys hate everything. I personally only hate next mutation and the steaming piles of movies PD does

[sethmartin]

Originally Posted by Leolead

Because you guys always complain about literally everything, and it's like you guys hate everything about this franchise no matter what they do. I'm not a fan of the FW toon (grew up with 2003), but I know most of you grew up with that show, and that seems to be the audience Bay and Co are catering the most to yet you still hate it. Now I apologize if I came off as condescending or rude, but i'm just trying to get my point across.

And exactly which audience did the last movie cater to? The only reason this new movie even looks like they are trying to be faithful to a specific source is because people complained.

That being said, concerns and dislikes are not the same as complaints. I can't stand the reincarnation origin story of the IDW comics but I can respect it because it's at least faithful to the original origin even if it's different. Changes are absolutely fine with me as long as they stay true to the story. I grew up on OT and still like it, however I'm a Mirage guy. If they made a 100% accurate adaptation of the OT series, I would respect it. It's when they make unnecessary changes to the characters and origins just to get a quick buck or try to appeal to people who don't care about TMNT is where I have problems. Eric Sacks, omitting Hamato Yoshi, no ninja backstory, these are not minor complaints! They are a destruction to a beloved franchise for no reason at all.

[Powder]

Originally Posted by Zak The Neutrino

Correction the Mirage guys hate everything. I personally only hate next mutation and the steaming piles of movies PD does

Correction: Nobody hates everything. Not even Andrew.

Some of us die-hard Mirage fans may hate elements of other things, or that they're what's sourced instead of the original material, but that doesn't suggest a supremacy.

[Zak The Neutrino]

Originally Posted by Powder

Correction: Nobody hates everything. Not even Andrew.

Some of us die-hard Mirage fans may hate elements of other things, or that they're what's sourced instead of the original material, but that doesn't suggest a supremacy.

It was a joke Powder.

You guys are just typically the most out spoken of group.

[Powder]

I'm not sure how true that is, but if it is (it'd only be here), it's because "our version" gets snubbed a lot.

[TrickOrTreater]

Originally Posted by Leolead

Because you guys always complain about literally everything, and it's like you guys hate everything about this franchise no matter what they do. I'm not a fan of the FW toon (grew up with 2003), but I know most of you grew up with that show, and that seems to be the audience Bay and Co are catering the most to yet you still hate it. Now I apologize if I came off as condescending or rude, but i'm just trying to get my point across.

I don't give a flying blue f*ck if they're "adapting" a version of the Ninja Turtles I grew up with, if everything else from casting to writing to directing to the effects suck.

None of the characters in the first garbage movie look a thing like the characters I grew up loving, save for the absolute vaguest detail.

Eric Sachs is a character completely pulled out of the ass of the first movie's writers.

The Foot Ninja became black ops dudes.

Shredder was a white guy in a robot can opener costume until they made him a Japanese guy with no backstory or motivation save for "Me villain, me bad thing do."

Etc, etc.

And now here we are on the second movie. Turtles still look awful, Megan Fox is still involved, Stephen Amell is playing Stephen Amell by way of unnecessarily altered Casey Jones, the very few aspects they've taken from the original cartoon weren't necessarily adapted or translated but instead carbon copied directly onto the screen and they look ridiculous(human Bebop and Rocksteady look ridiculous, mutant Bebop and Rocksteady look decent enough). They've toned down Shredder considerably, whether he's at all an interesting or compelling villain still remains to be seen. My money's on he won't be because the same writers from the first movie are still involved and Michael Bay is STILL calling the shots.

So yeah. What the f*ck should I be excited about again? That they're poorly, vaguely kinda sorta adapting aspects from a cartoon I grew up with instead of crafting a great story with compelling, interesting characters with interesting motivations that make sense in regards to their characterization FIRST and THEN pulling elements from several different fan-favorite, successful iterations of these characters to mold and shape into a great movie that fans new and old can love and appreciate?

Batman and Robin adapted and pulled quite a bit from various Batman history. Still sucked as a movie.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Originally Posted by TrickOrTreater

Batman and Robin adapted and pulled quite a bit from various Batman history. Still sucked as a movie.

Actually, "Batman & Robin" saved the planet. It was a last-minute sacrifice by the Illuminati to ward off the Devourer of Worlds, that Great and Fearsome Leviathan, the Elder Ch'thulu. It was either that or a thousand virgins, but then the Technodrome would have been utterly empty.