Batman V. Superman: Dawn Of Justice

[ZariusTwo]

Do they think Warner believing the public are thickos is somehow the lesser of two evils with concerns for this movie?

[TheSkeletonMan939]

Is that why I didn't understand half of the characters' motivations in Man of Steel? The movie was just too smart for me?

[Commenter 42]

They want to get out ahead of their half a billion dollar blunder.

Maybe this will help sink the WB. The whole damn thing's been tone deaf since the get go.

Originally Posted by TheSkeletonMan939

Is that why I didn't understand half of the characters' motivations in Man of Steel? The movie was just too smart for me?

Looks like Unpopular island isn't so unpopular after all.

[chrisdude]

Originally Posted by TheSkeletonMan939

Is that why I didn't understand half of the characters' motivations in Man of Steel? The movie was just too smart for me?

I don't think Zack Snyder watches that movie and sees the same thing we do. There's a whole bunch of things he's explained in interviews, after the fact, that he failed to convey to the viewers.

[TheSkeletonMan939]

BOF speculates that the mainstream audience is used to the “popcorn” movies that Marvel produces

"Popcorn" movies? You can't get much more "popcorn-ey" than this:

Spoiler:

Originally Posted by chrisdude

I don't think Zack Snyder watches that movie and sees the same thing we do. There's a whole bunch of things he's explained in interviews, after the fact, that he failed to convey to the viewers.

I've read a couple of those, and his reasoning is really hard for me to wrap my head around... I think he's bullsh*tting us.

[chrisdude]

Originally Posted by TheSkeletonMan939

I've read a couple of those, and his reasoning is really hard for me to wrap my head around... I think he's bullsh*tting us.

Maybe. If not, then he's not getting his points across, meaning he's literally not good at his job.

[Commenter 42]

Originally Posted by chrisdude

Maybe. If not, then he's not getting his points across, meaning he's literally not good at his job.

Hollywood is full of ego; this shouldn't come as a shock to anyone that this idiot doesn't get it, and never has.

I hoping we finally put this garbage to bed. Time for a reboot. I'm not a fan of Deadpool per se, but it's pretty damned obvious - when you do it right, people respond. I hope this finally unlocks the opportunity to make the right kindof CBM's films. Hollywood needs to stop thinking of CBM's a genre; there are genre's within comic's, Deadpool got the most Deadpool-ish movie you could make, and the world rejoiced. The same should happen for TMNT, for Super man, Spider-man, He-Man, etc...

Snyders Super-friend's and Wolverine origins have much in common.

[Leo656]

I'm sure some of you are Oscar-winning screenwriters also, like the guy who wrote this movie.

I've been saying from the beginning, their only real concern isn't if the movie is any good, it's, "Will the functional retards who made the 'Transformers' series a hit pay any attention to a comic book movie that is as much about story and plot and world-building as it is about explosions?"

Again, people are getting all dismissive and forgetting that I actually HAVE the story of the movie saved on my hard drive. It's brilliant. It's THE best storyline any comic book movie ever had. It's cerebral and nuanced and textured and borrows heavily from the canon in ways no other comic book film ever bothered to, especially in the ways it handles each of its multiple important characters, and how events link together and plant seeds for things that haven't happened yet.

I get that it's fun to play "The Snark Game", but at some point a few of you have to realize you're just f*cking morons talking to hear yourselves, who don't even know what you're talking about. The movie IS going to be really good. Is it "Too Good" for the popcorn crowd? Honestly, that IS a legitimate concern. People nowadays really can't tell good from bad. Some of the same people who think this movie somehow looks "bad" - and again, lay off the f*cking crack if that's your "opinion" - are drooling on themselves over how "awesome" that TMNT fiasco will be. Just for one example. People really are that dumb, to the point where they can't recognize Good Things but universally praise Bad Things, like TMNT or Transformers movies. It's maddening.

Snyder's only "mistake", if you can call it that, is that from the start he aimed way over the heads of the type of manchildren who go see these comic book movies. Which I and a lot of other people say is great, but the response from the plebians has been predictable as f*ck, right from when he decided to make a Movie and not a f*cking cartoon. F*ck those people.

It absolutely is going to be a terrific movie. Will it lose money BECAUSE it isn't "light and fluffy" enough for the little kids and spastic man-babies? Yes, absolutely.

42: At this point your rage-hyperbole isn't cute anymore. I've been polite but you're f*cking way too wrong about way too many things to be talking as loud or as forcefully as you are. Frankly, I've teased you about your own "questionable" opinions before, but here's me being mean about it, because you're really starting to piss me off. Ready? "Nobody who thinks the Nolan Batman movies suck, has ANY business talking about movies with anyone, EVER, because they have awful opinions." I'm convinced at this point that you just want to see me explode again. That's not going to go well for anyone. You and I can go through it all again in PM if we HAVE to, but frankly, I'd rather not. But I'm definitely not getting into all of it again HERE. It'd be better if you could just, y'know, not talk about things you both don't understand and don't want to understand, rather than keep bleating the same nonsensical things while spitting your Hatorade in my face.

There is exactly one guy in the room who has a 98% idea of what the final movie is going to be, and that same guy has a 99.9% prediction success rating on all things ever spoken of. Right here. The "doom n gloom" sh*t from the rest of you is getting tired, since you DON'T even know what you're talking about! At this point, I'd like all of you to officially take that sh*t somewhere else. I'm the f*cking Superman/DC authority around here, not a single one of any of you, and frankly, I'm sick of people who don't know sh*t about sh*t going out of their way to try and ruin this for me and other people who are looking forward to it. Especially when the only people bitching don't even know what they're talking about in the first place. They won't look at Spoilers, they won't listen to the guy who has the script summary try and explain the plot and how the pieces fit, they won't just lay back and be pleasantly surprised... No, it's "That out-of-context split-second shot from Trailer #7 conclusively PROVES that they're getting it all wrong!" Well, that's interesting, see, because I get why you may think that, but in the actual movie, it turns out... "NO SPOILERS!" Alright, then shut up, then. Jeezus.

F***ing people. Go jerk off to lame sh*t like Ant-Man if that's your speed, and enjoy your mountain of never-ending cotton candy Disney/Marvel fluff, because it's exactly what you deserve: Pablum aimed at children and morons. Some of us aren't put off by something that aims higher.

[Amaranthus]

I don't care what you all say. I'm excited as hell for this movie.

[Leo656]

I'm excited for EVERY comic book movie this year (I don't count TMNT 2). I just don't see what's "wrong" about a Comic book movie that uses the COMICS as its source material, treats the stories exactly as seriously as the comics do, with the same weight, the same depth, everything, and is more than just a fun romp for the kiddies and Dad.

It pains me greatly to see someone try so hard to do everything right, and succeed, but see people put it down because THEY have horrible taste, not the filmmakers. That's incredibly frustrating.

[snake]

Originally Posted by Leo656

I'm excited for EVERY comic book movie this year (I don't count TMNT 2). I just don't see what's "wrong" about a Comic book movie that uses the COMICS as its source material, treats the stories exactly as seriously as the comics do, with the same weight, the same depth, everything, and is more than just a fun romp for the kiddies and Dad.

It pains me greatly to see someone try so hard to do everything right, and succeed, but see people put it down because THEY have horrible taste, not the filmmakers. That's incredibly frustrating.

I agree for the most part. This movie looks (and I'm using this word properly) epic. It feels like it's trying to tell a greater story and have some depth. The style reminds me of the nolan batman movies.

[plastroncafe]

That's how I felt about the Scott Pilgrim movie, to be honest. It wasn't a 1:1 of the books, but I think it had the spirit and the feel of them.

You can just tell when a film-maker knows what their story is about. Deadpool is exactly what it's supposed to be about. And it works brilliantly. Iron-Man knew what it was about, and it's still the best of the comicbook movies, IMHO.

Here's to hoping this is what you are all excited to see.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Having read the same document as Leo and seen the exact same concepts and plotlines confirmed by later trailers and interviews, the man is 100% correct.

People being obstinate in their patently false opinions and stances is no more endearing on this thread than it is regarding Platinum Dunes movies, although honestly, I used to expect better of some of you. Congratulations on confirming my suspicion that most of you hate things to be cool rather than on any project's actual merits or lack thereof.

Christopher Nolan's movies have a few problems, I'll readily admit. Denying what they did for all comic book movies and denouncing them as trash is one of the most ridiculous things ever uttered on this board... and need I remind you of your competition for "Most BS Spewed" over on the Platinum Dunes TMNT section?

DC/Warner Brothers actually bother to tell movies with real stakes, character development, and empathy. Marvel's best movies, while I own around half of them that meet my taste/standards, are usually successes either due to the overwhelming spectacle (The Avengers), or when they break the mold of their "take nothing seriously" motif (Winter Soldier).

[Leo656]

I love comic book movies. I love ALL comic book movies. I love that there's more than one "right way" to do them. And I wish some people would compartmentalize cartoons they loved when they were 7 and not say movies that don't copy the cartoon template are "wrong". They aren't "wrong", they're aiming higher.

It's all good, man. We're all gonna have a GREAT year for movies! Deadpool f*cking nailed it, and that's just the start, and that's exciting! This sh*t in here only happens with Superman-related movies, though. And that's frustrating. Nobody EVER cares about Superman... unless he has a movie coming out, in which case suddenly everyone is an expert who ought'a be making their own damn movie.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

I've got my problems with a lot of movies, and I'll critique and analyze them, but at the end of the day, I've got most of those comic book movies from 2000 onwards on my DVD shelf.

Except for all of the non X-Men Fox movies (except the first Fantastic Four), Iron Man 3, and all of the Thor movies. Thor still hasn't had a decent movie.

[ZariusTwo]

Originally Posted by Leo656

F***ing people. Go jerk off to lame sh*t like Ant-Man if that's your speed, and enjoy your mountain of never-ending cotton candy Disney/Marvel fluff, because it's exactly what you deserve: Pablum aimed at children and morons. Some of us aren't put off by something that aims higher.

Somewhere a sig is just itching to marry this.

[TheSkeletonMan939]

Originally Posted by Leo656

F***ing people. Go jerk off to lame sh*t like Ant-Man if that's your speed, and enjoy your mountain of never-ending cotton candy Disney/Marvel fluff, because it's exactly what you deserve: Pablum aimed at children and morons. Some of us aren't put off by something that aims higher.

It aims higher for sure, and I appreciate that DC & WB are trying to do something vastly different from Marvel & Disney. But Man of Steel stumbled far too much for me to think that they succeeded in telling a better type of story. Particularly in its attempt to give Clark a complex choice between the wishes of his two fathers, which ended up being a complete disaster in my eyes.

What "puts me off" is that it aims for the height that The Dark Knight trilogy sits on but doesn't want to do enough work to build its characters up to be understandable or its message to be at all clear. No one in the film is charismatic much; nothing is said or done that leaves me feeling like Superman has the right to soar through the air freely, or that the people of Metropolis are safe because of him. I understand that the last issue will be partly dealt with in BvS, but MoS should have left me not feeling like Bruce does.

But even though it's unpolished, they felt comfortable sending it out because its Superman; people will watch it. It's no accident that so many people like The Dark Knight, but are so divisive over Man of Steel.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Originally Posted by ZariusTwo

Somewhere a sig is just itching to marry this.

But for the record, I loved Ant-Man...

[Commenter 42]

Alright.

Leo, your blowhard BS is tired. I'm over it big guy. You want to be a child, have at it, but you a'int chasing me off the playground kid.

You are not the sole authority on anything, so just stop. You wanna spout off over and over again about how right you are, good for you! This movie has just as much wrong with it as PDMT, and I have every right to say my piece.

You're not King **** bud. You're just a guy, same as me with opinions. We all got 'em, and if you want to get nasty over it, fine.

And speaking of what's "cute" Cylon, take a break from sucking up to Leo, I'm sure even he's sick of it.

Now, if you'd like to throw a second temper tantrum, feel free, but I'm not going to acquiesce to your demands this time. You dance all over the kids in the movie section, you can take a few jabs in a LIGHT HEARTED, TOTALLY REDICULOUS DISCUSSION, about a blockbuster movie.

It's fine, we're all fine. Don't be a Sam.

[ZariusTwo]

Originally Posted by CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy

But for the record, I loved Ant-Man...

So did I, but that had been in the oven for years so it was honed to perfection.