Batman V. Superman: Dawn Of Justice

[chrisdude]

Originally Posted by Bry

Well, I think that depends on how you define "substance." The Marvel movies in general or more light-hearted, fantastical and fun. They may not have as much "real world" substance, but they have plenty of emotional substance. That's why I care a lot more about what happens in the typical Marvel movie than I did during Man of Steel, because the Marvel movies built characters that I was invested in and Man of Steel just... didn't.

Obviously that's a subjective thing to a certain degree. But all of the mass destruction and carnage and attempted "seriousness" and "depth" a movie can cram in doesn't make me care about the plot if I don't care about the characters and their world first.

I may get a little grief for this, but I just don't think David Goyer is the strongest writer for this sort of thing, and I don't think Zack Snyder can direct emotions very well at all. Hopefully Chris Terrio helped get things on the right track, though.

Well said. The couple people I know who have been lifelong, diehard Superman fans are the ones who have been able to overlook this, I think because they walked into the theater with all that emotional attachment.

But, I did the same thing with Superman Returns. That Superman became the Reeve Superman I grew up with, in my mind. That movie made me cry like a baby, while others may think almost killing Superman in the first movie was rushed.

[ToTheNines]

[Venom]

Originally Posted by snake

Cybercubed is pretty sam

LOL, bravo!

[Leo656]

Fine, whatever, it's terrible, you win.

That'll teach me to have enthusiasm, or to actually, y'know, know what I'm talking about. You sure showed me!

[ThirdMarioBro]

Everything Leo said, and a thousand times more. Some people literally don't know how to enjoy anything anymore without destroying it first. Now I remember why I quit using internet forums. Bitterness is a sad thing.

[ZariusTwo]

Originally Posted by Bry

Well, I think that depends on how you define "substance." The Marvel movies in general are more light-hearted, fantastical and fun. They may not have as much "real world" substance, but they have plenty of emotional substance.

They try (badly) to make you laugh. That's it.

[Commenter 42]

Look, i get it, you're just excited and you don't want anyone to spoil it, which is totally fine, and great even. I don't begrudge you any of that, and I've said as much before, but there are a handful of people, maybe more who agree with me.
Nobody really wants a bad movie to be made, but the argument that one is bitter, or hateful or childish for disagreeing with you?

How's this, I'm not wrong you are, I'm rubber you're glue, na-na-na oo-boo...
My dad can beat up your dad; sticks and stones; you're mama.

There, it's all there. Now please stop with the condescension. It's not a good look for you.

Anyways, where there's smoke...

[Bry]

Originally Posted by ZariusTwo

They try (badly) to make you laugh. That's it.

And at that, for most people, they succeed a lot more than they don't.

And they've taken a bunch of B/C-list Marvel Comics characters and turned them into A-list mainstream icons based largely on strong characterization and great performances. They've made people really care about their characters and emotionally invest in their "world".

I'll never argue that the series is perfect, and I get why they're not to everyone's taste, but trying to downplay Marvel Studios' well-earned successes is kind of silly.

[Commenter 42]

It's pretty amazing to think about Marvel before Iron Man, before Avenegers; The general audience couldn't pick half the characters out of a crowd, and more, couldn't be bothered.

I'm most please by the success of Deadpool. You gotta ask yourself just how confused Fox must be, right now...they have a hit in-spite of themselves.
Folks must be absolutely losing their minds and falling over themselves, desperate to take credit or explain away why it's done so well.

Dear god let this be the wake up call. It won't be, but one can hope.

[plastroncafe]

Cripes, come down off your crosses people.
We need the wood.

"I don't like a thing," is not an indictment of anyone's intelligence. It's not a bad opinion because it disagrees with yours. "I don't like a thing," doesn't speak to the quality of the thing. It expresses a personal preference.

If you can't accept that people have differing personal preferences than you, then yeah....maybe forums aren't places for you. Maybe find a commiseration spiral and designate that as your safe space. Because forums aren't it.

I don't like Snyder's Superman, and have absolutely no interest in revisiting it, no matter how many bats are thrown in its direction. I'm not stupid, or lower class for not liking Space Jesus, now with more Daddy Issues. It's just not my thing.

However, I have a very vested interest in a Wonder Woman movie, so I really truly hope this Dawn of Justice thing is as good as those who are really happy for it want it to be.

[Sumac]

Originally Posted by Bry

Well, I think that depends on how you define "substance." The Marvel movies in general are more light-hearted, fantastical and fun. They may not have as much "real world" substance, but they have plenty of emotional substance. That's why I care a lot more about what happens in the typical Marvel movie than I did during Man of Steel, because the Marvel movies built characters that I was invested in and Man of Steel just... didn't.

I agree.
I meant "substance" as in "deep stories and deep characters" some people seek in this type of movies. Sorry, if it didn't come clear.

Well, according to Latino-Review, the studio isn't so much worried as they are nervous. All in all, it's thought the budget may have gone as high as $400 million with marketing costs thrown in and they need it to be a hit which makes upwards of $1 billion as a result.

Holy ****, if its true.
Well, on the other hand its only logical - (supposedly *snicker*) the greatest crossover movie of all times deserves the greatest budget of all times.

Speculation:
I wonder, what kind of box office success BVS should be to satisfy Warner's greed? 1 Billion does not look like a good number in this scenario...

[TheSkeletonMan939]

Originally Posted by Sumac

Speculation:
I wonder, what kind of box office success BVS should be to satisfy Warner's greed? 1 Billion does not look like a good number in this scenario...

There were reports (of which the validity is questionable) that Disney was unhappy with Age of Ultron's mere $1 billion+ haul. So imagine how much Warner is hoping for.

[NinjaPug]

The production budget is $400 million? That's got to include the marketing, right? WB is going to need $1 billion at the box office just to break even.

[CyberCubed]

I'm sure the movie will do well in the box office. Everyone is going to see the first movie Batman and Superman meet. Not to mention a new Batman.

No, its not going to do Star Wars numbers but it should do well.

[Netkeeper]

I can't imagine this doing badly at the box office because just the title of the film is going to draw people to it.

[CyberCubed]

Plus the last 3 Batman films and Man of Steel did incredibly well at the box office. People also need to realize Batman and Superman are STILL the most popular superheroes worldwide other than Spiderman.

The Avengers and X-men are nowhere as popular as Batman and Superman are. The younger crowd growing up in the 2000's probably has no idea about this either, because the Avengers were practically unknown to the general public outside of comic fans for years.

If you asked someone who Iron Man was in 1995, they probably wouldn't be able to tell you. And in 1995 if you asked them who Batman or Superman were, they would know instantly.

[snake]

Relevant

[NinjaPug]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

Plus the last 3 Batman films and Man of Steel did incredibly well at the box office. People also need to realize Batman and Superman are STILL the most popular superheroes worldwide other than Spiderman.

The Avengers and X-men are nowhere as popular as Batman and Superman are. The younger crowd growing up in the 2000's probably has no idea about this either, because the Avengers were practically unknown to the general public outside of comic fans for years.

If you asked someone who Iron Man was in 1995, they probably wouldn't be able to tell you. And in 1995 if you asked them who Batman or Superman were, they would know instantly.

Man of Steel did not do "incredibly well at the box office"

[CyberCubed]

I thought it did well, where are the numbers?

[NinjaPug]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

I thought it did well, where are the numbers?

The internet