Batman/Superman Dawn of Justice movie review thread

[Cure]

Originally Posted by JTH

The right critics matter. You need to read from the critics that you know, especially with movies like these, know about everything that's going on, not just ones going to see the movie because it's the biggest movie out since Star Wars: TFA.

For example, I'm willing to bet there will be some film critics that will go see Cap: Civil War because it's the next huge movie on the list, having not seen all the other movies in the MCU. And you really can't do that, because Civil War is going to be the blow off of every thing that has transpired in all the other MCU movies. If you missed one movie, you're missing a chuck of the story.

Therefore, a person is going to have to see all 3 Iron Man movies, both Cap movies, both Thor movies, both Avengers movies, the Ant-Man movie, ect. to show all the destruction and chaos that happened in all those movies, otherwise there's going to be things that make no sense to how everything lead to this Civil War between everyone.

If a critic doesn't see all those movies, they're going to be missing vital elements to that movie that they might not understand that they otherwise would.

Sorry being a bit ranty, but I'm sure you get the gist.

Yeah, that's what I mean; they totally matter.

[Redeemer]

Originally Posted by Turo602

So one critic bashes the film only to put down the entire genre. And then there's IGN who puts down a serious movie for not being "fun" enough. I guess superhero films should never take themselves seriously or strive to be intelligent then? Maybe Lex Luthor should be calling Superman "underoos." That would certainly be fun. When are people going to learn that critics don't mean sh*t. Who cares what they have to say unless you actually know the reviewer well enough to know that you share common opinions. Otherwise, let's just wait for the movie to come out and then we could decide whether or not we should be worried for ourselves.

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

Well it looks like this is the end. After the Justice League movie they'll probably reboot the movie universe again with an all new director.

All solo DC hero movies will likely be pulled or vastly changed. Wonder Woman will be safe but don't expect any further Superman movies, Flash, Aquaman, Green Lantern, etc. are done.

Its all over, man, its all over. Shows over, everyone go home.

Turo has very good points, I think people want a happy go lucky, campy movie like the 90's superman movies, but DC is still going for this realistic Nolan style movies like from Dark Knight.

And CyberCubed you are over-reacting.

[TheSkeletonMan939]

Originally Posted by Turo602

So one critic bashes the film only to put down the entire genre. And then there's IGN who puts down a serious movie for not being "fun" enough. I guess superhero films should never take themselves seriously or strive to be intelligent then?

A film can take itself seriously and be intelligent while having fun at the same time.
Of course, what "fun" is is subjective, but let's say in this case that "fun" means bringing a feeling of warmth to the viewer.

The whole DCAU is like that. There are a lot of heavy moments in its history, but its most serious and intelligent episode might be its finale in the form of the JLU episode "Epilogue". It's also a very fun episode to watch.
There's almost no action; a lot of it is dialogue. It deals with some pretty heavy issues, especially for a kids' show. But it's fun to watch because it has an optimistic, heart-warming tone, and even a "fun" ending.

That's a tone I feel like Man of Steel half-heartedly attempted to achieve, but Superman's lack of character development - if you pay attention, he doesn't quite pay attention to the advice of either of his fathers, completing negating most of the film - overshadows any hope for the future the viewer might have. At least that's how I felt. Superman did not seem like a hero to me, nor did he seem like a human being. Instead he looked like a killing machine, who ironically saved more lives as Clark Kent (remember the oil rig scene?) than he did in the suit.

It's not an intelligent progression for the character, and it took away any "fun" the film might have had for me. Not explosive fun, like Michael Bay-type fun, but fun in the sense that I enjoy watching the film for the optimism and warmness it brings. Without proper closure for Superman's choosing an identity for himself - a human being or a Kryptonian on Earth - I can't get that sense of fun.

And I doubt Batman v Superman will be a fun film either. It'll probably be more destruction porn with philosophical mumbo-jumbo dialogue to fill in between.

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Another example of what I consider to be a "fun" film is Rocky Balboa, or the original one. All through both films, people are telling Rocky he's a piece of **** and can't do anything with his life. Well, in the end he does and he manages to become something better. The feels, man! That's what I think makes a movie "fun" to watch, first and foremost.

[Commenter 42]

Originally Posted by TigerClaw

Btw, RT is now showing 42%

Originally Posted by TurtleTitan97

Which is stupid, because not every DC superhero needs a "Dark & Gritty" movie. Leave the brooding to the Bat.

Precisely.

Superman is great. Snyderman isn't Superman. Bring back Superman.

[CyberCubed]

How seriously does DC take rottentomato review scores? Even if fans enjoy the movie, if they see it completely panned by critics they're probably going to put on the reverse break plans on all their future movies.

[NinjaPug]

WB cares about $$$$$. If the box office is there then they'll continue with their plan.

[Xiewin]

After hearing about Superman's treatment within the film, lol I'm glad it received such a score. While I loved Man of Steel, most of the things I liked came not from superman himself, but from the characters around him.

Zack Synder just doesn't get it, I thought maybe, just maybe, he'll probably improve the character or atleast give him something to work with after the criticisms Man of Steel received, but nooo lets just give Sups even worse characterization than before.

Did WB really think shoving Sups out of the picture and cramming Batman in will make everything better? Everything I've heard from the spoilers/reviews, Superman isn't Superman.

This DCCU is off to a horrible start.

This really sucks because DC has some really great stories and characters.

[Redeemer]

Originally Posted by Xiewin

After hearing about Superman's treatment within the film, lol I'm glad it received such a score. While I loved Man of Steel, most of the things I liked came not from superman himself, but from the characters around him.

Zack Synder just doesn't get it, I thought maybe, just maybe, he'll probably improve the character or atleast give him something to work with after the criticisms Man of Steel received, but nooo lets just give Sups even worse characterization than before.

Did WB really think shoving Sups out of the picture and cramming Batman in will make everything better? Everything I've heard from the spoilers/reviews, Superman isn't Superman.

This DCCU is off to a horrible start.

This really sucks because DC has some really great stories and characters.

Honestly Its hard to make non-gritty superman work well with a gritty batman. Trying to pair two characters who are complete opposites while still having a consistent tone and story is more difficult than most people realize.

[Commenter 42]

Originally Posted by Redeemer

Honestly Its hard to make non-gritty superman work well with a gritty batman. Trying to pair two characters who are complete opposites while still having a consistent tone and story is more difficult than most people realize.

Being a hero, who isn't "gritty" is totally possible; and the two characters don't need to be extreme polar opposites... Superman isn't Space Jesus, he's Superman, and kind of a Superdick from time to time. World's Finest balanced it well, without all the extreme grit and angst.

When you actually care about Superman as a character, who he is, and what he represents, it becomes clear why some of us have been so bloody angry. I get that some of you are aboard the big ole hype train, and good for you, that's your prerogative; you'll eventually come around.

It's not about which house does it better; it's about holding DC to the standard the fans deserve, which after 70 plus years, is better than this.

Like I said, it will still have a monster 2 weeks...no question. It's going to be huge...

But it won't get the repeat viewings, barring the small segment of Fanboys who treat their DC affiliation with religious servitude. No one should be in the mood to watch wanton destruction after today, if we're being honest.

[Xiewin]

Originally Posted by Redeemer

Honestly Its hard to make non-gritty superman work well with a gritty batman. Trying to pair two characters who are complete opposites while still having a consistent tone and story is more difficult than most people realize.

If that's the case then Batman v Superman should have never been made. Either you do it right or you don't do it at all.

I have been yelled at and told "Shut up and just watch the movie" when I gave a few worries about Superman's characterization.
I don't like it when my favorite Superhero is treated like utter garbage due to his good persona. If films like Captain America worked out brilliantly, why can't superman? WB seems to have this strange notion that Batman's tone and grittiness should be the foundation of every superhero film, and guess what? this is exactly what led to their downfall with this movie and Man of Steel.

They should have gone the safe route and done solo films (correctly) and then led up to the Justice League film. Or they should have hired a different director as Zack is known for tonally inconsistent films.

They could have done a MOS 2 like they originally planned, and correct the mistakes that were left over from MOS. But no they wanted to rush to the formation of the Justice League to compete with marvel and then made the fatal mistake of casting a director with a bad track-record.

Sorry I personally feel like they got what they deserved. I don't want a DCCU were all the characters are completely broken at their core.

But the good thing is that I'm still looking forward to Suicide Squad.

[sdp]

I have never paid attention to rottentomatoes or reviews in general until I see the movie and even then I already saw it so I don't really care and my opinion has already been made. To me reviews are only for movies I'm going to watch on netflix. I do think people have it out for DC in general similar to how Nintendo always gets heat while Sony gets a pass or Apple products are praised and Microsoft isn't given a chance. Do the bad reviews affect the DCEU? Not really, it depends. The negativity affected Man of Steel because even though it did very well it didn't meet expectations. This movie based on presales is looking to outdo expectations. Transformers has gotten so much hate on the internet and terrible review scores but that hasn't stopped the franchise. So yeah it all depends, if it bombs and is panned by critics like Green Lantern then just like last time it'll put a stop on what they're doing now. They're too in on their cinematic universe to just let it go if this didn't go well though. They'd definitely wait and see what happens with Suicide Squad to see what worked and didn't in BvS. Me personally I'm a fan of both DC and Snyder so I'm pretty confident that this movie is going to be right up my alley regardless of what people think.

I just bought my midnight ticket for tomorrow night a few minutes ago. I really wasn't sure if I was going to go at midnight. I think I'm over midnight showings and will only ever do it for very few movies like say a Jurassic Park sequel or Star Wars (Episodes) and whatnot. As big of a DC fan that I am I think I can wait, I only decided to get my ticket now because it just happened to work that midnight worked best in my schedule to watch it somewhat soon.

[Galactus]

Originally Posted by Xiewin

I don't want a DCCU were all the characters are completely broken at their core.

I think the people behind the movies have acknowledged this. Didn't they make a big point to say how Justice League will be lighter?

They must have realized that their approach with this movie was going to be divisive late on, too late to alter this movie but want to make sure we know it isn't always going to be like this.

[CyberCubed]

Hell has frozen over.

[Xiewin]

Originally Posted by Galactus

I think the people behind the movies have acknowledged this. Didn't they make a big point to say how Justice League will be lighter?

They must have realized that their approach with this movie was going to be divisive late on, too late to alter this movie but want to make sure we know it isn't always going to be like this.

Unless Zack is removed from his position as the director, then I can't exactly say that WB knows what exactly is causing the films to be so divided in terms of critical reception.

The guy as too many issues in terms of pacing and character storytelling. Even his actions scenes can be a little out of wack at times. He also needs to stop using that Grayish and cold filler over his films, it just looks utterly dreadful in the finished product.

I don't think placing a lighter tone would exactly fix the core of the problem which is Zack Synder.

[Commenter 42]

I still don't think they get their audience.

It seems clear that there's a small percentage of people who are totally in love with Snyders' style, and again, that's fine, (if you dig the Affliction T-shirt approach to film that is...) Personally, I find it heavy handed and douchey, but that's just his style, and there's really no winning with the tasteless.

Snyder and DC have decided to cast against type across the board, and not even for the sake of acting prowess, but simply for shock value. Start there, if anything.

If they have any hope of fixing this, they need to dump Geoff Johns and Snyder, Jim Lee, hell, the whole top brass of DC right now, and find their way back to the classic look and feel everyone loves.

They also need to stop trying to distance themselves from Marvel, or CBM's, and embrace what they are. If they just made a good film, they win. It's not that difficult to know what the fans want. A good film, about the characters they love; not an artfilm full of actors with big egos.

As someone else said, don't start by breaking the characters and expect us to love the shattered remains.

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

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Hell has frozen over.

[Xiewin]

DC is in such a bad position right now.

In fact I haven't been enjoying anything they have been putting out lately. The comics, the animated movies, and now the DCCU just lacks all sorts of quality as a whole.

The Killing Joke looks promising, but honestly I'm getting sick of Batman stuff.

[TurtleTitan97]

Originally Posted by Commenter 42

If they have any hope of fixing this, they need to dump Geoff Johns and Snyder, Jim Lee, hell, the whole top brass of DC right now, and find their way back to the classic look and feel everyone loves.

http://static1.squarespace.com/stati...1444914585354/

By "classic look and feel everyone loves", what would that look like to you, personally?

[CyberCubed]

The animated DC movies have been hit or miss lately, but they're decent for what they are.

DC as a whole is in shambles. The New 52 backfired, the current cartoons are just TT Go and canceled stuff, the Synder films are a mixed bag, etc.

Its time they get bought out by another company. Maybe Time Warner can sell them off.

[sdp]

Originally Posted by Commenter 42

They need to stop trying to distance themselves from Marvel, or CBM's, and embrace what they are. If they just made a good film, they win. It's not that difficult to know what the fans want.
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You want them to just be a copy of Marvel then? They already tried with Green Lantern and it backfired. I don't see how the cookie cutter Marvel formula would really help them. It's worked for Marvel but even then people have been getting tired of that since its been used for nearly ten years.

The problem DC has is their heroes have been bigger for far longer. Everyone has their idea of what Batman or especially Superman should be. I enjoy the darker tone DC movies have.

[Commenter 42]

Originally Posted by TurtleTitan97

By "classic look and feel everyone loves", what would that look like to you, personally?

I mean, the general audience. It's so small, but something as stupid as losing the red trunks, well, that's iconic.

Superman, has charm and charisma. He MUST have charm and charisma.

Nobody in the real world knows or cares about the "new 52". The internet, in chatrooms, they care, outside of that, they know he wears his undies on the outside, he's a good guy, and he wears a red cape. They know kryptonite hurts him. That's it.

Batman? I don't think anyone, plant wide needs to hear the story about his parents, ever again. Batman you can do a lot with, because of the sheer volume of bat-merch...

What I mean is, they have iconic looks, and iconic personas that everyone expects. Stop going against the grain. Have fun with it. It needs to feel like an adventure.

Originally Posted by sdp

You want them to just be a copy of Marvel then? They already tried with Green Lantern and it backfired. I don't see how the cookie cutter Marvel formula would really help them. It's worked for Marvel but even then people have been getting tired of that since its been used for nearly ten years.

The problem DC has is their heroes have been bigger for far longer. Everyone has their idea of what Batman or especially Superman should be. I enjoy the darker tone DC movies have.

No - no I don't want more Marvel, but it should be exciting and fun, not angry and depressing. I'm not a huge Marvel guy...I'm a Superman fan first...I just haven't seen him in a very long time.

And the movie can be serious, I don't like big and fluffy stories, (I loved DD season 2) You can have a mature film that isn't faux morose.

These Snyderisms feel like a bad-ass 13 year old emo kid; a big tryhard.

Mad Max was great, right? It was, wild and alive, but most importantly, it was very much a Mad Max Film!!! It knew what it was.
Superman can be serious, but his movies should be event movies, huge and amazing. Punching people through buildings, we've seen it a hundred times. it hasn't ben impressive since the Matrix.

Snyder doesn't know how to do that, and likely never will.