Batman/Superman Dawn of Justice movie review thread

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by NinjaPug

They didn't explain how Lex knew Clark was Superman - my guess was the ship told him even though that doesn't really make sense. The bigger question for me is how Lex knew Bruce was Batman?

That's pretty weird. So Lex is just sitting in jail now, knowing Clark is (was?) Superman and Bruce is Batman. What incentive is there, exactly, for him not making that public?

[plastroncafe]

Narrative causality.

[myconius]

Originally Posted by ZariusTwo

WB release a deleted scene (probably to help promote the Ultimate Cut pre-orders)

that was really cool looking, but what the ....????

[Bry]

Originally Posted by ZariusTwo

WB release a deleted scene (probably to help promote the Ultimate Cut pre-orders)

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by myconius

that was really cool looking, but what the ....????

It's Darkseid's buddy Steppenwolf. Just more "preview of JL" crap... it deserved to be cut.

[THGhost]

Originally Posted by turtlefanforever

The "lois is the key" that was the flash? I couldnt really tell. Looked like he had bolts stickin out of his neck.

Originally Posted by ZariusTwo

Yeah, it was the Flash...not sure if that armour is meant to be futuristic or not but I hope they go for a more streamlined costume.

It really did look like Red Hood. I was so confused.

[Purse Grabbin Puke]

Originally Posted by Krutch

But it certainly does serve to incriminate him. Again, I ask, WHY equip bullets that can only lead to you? Why not just provide your men with normal bullets and remain completely invisible? Please, somebody answer this. Not "because that doesn't make him guilty", because thats not a reason, thats an excuse. Please explain to me why Lex Luthor basically slapped his name on all the bullets he gave his men used to frame Superman.

First of all the bullets weren't made by Lex, they didn't have Lex Corp on them. The metal was tested and they discovered the metal was developed by Lex's company. Regardless, the secretary wouldn't go on record so there is something going on. Maybe Lex has his hands in the pockets of many.

Not incognito to the Senator, to Batman.

He wasn't trying to be incognito to Batman or anyone really. He was trying to get people AGAINST Superman. He was pretty open and honest about it...pretty much like every Lex.

It's a nice idea, but I think you're reaching. There's nothing concrete in the script that supports this.

They certainly left it up for interpretation, I didn't mind it. I'm suspecting the extended cut will answer that question. It's sounding more and more like Snyder really got shafted by WB with the editing of this movie. And there are now rumors the R Rated movie could be released in theaters soon, because Snyder is putting together a Digital Cinema Package for the R rated cut. Let's not forget the Watchmen Directors Cut is SO much better than the theatrical release...so this has happened to him in the past.

No, I'm saying it doesn't resemble anything Kryptonian to anyone, Superman included. The only Kryptonians we've seen look like normal men and women. Suddenly, over a year later, a monster emerges from around the ship and its a %100 percent sure thing its Kryptonian. Makes no sense, especially given how much Bruce has learned about metahumans and Lex in the last few days. And to make the leap that only Kryptonite can kill it... It's just stupid. And the ships AI says it has a genetic database of a stupidly high amount of species, too.

They've only been exposed to two creatures from Krypton. You are making no sense. Let's look at it this way. Let's say two people and a dog from earth land on Krypton. For 18 months everyone on Krypton has seen the two people, and all the sudden the dog walks off the ship...I think everyone would assume the dog is from earth as well.

No, he killed him to only let Batman create Justice League. The writers were tasked with making it mean something. And I get what they were going for, but they're execution was all wrong.

Execution was wrong, because after the fact you found out Snyder's reason...

By your own logic, what gives Batman the right to say whats kryptonian and whats not?

Because a kryptonian ship started shooting lightening out of it, and Superman threw a giant monster out of the ship.

Originally Posted by AT-Man

B/S fight was stupid and started just because Batman was "I don't wanna listen lalalalalala!" Then they throw each other through walls and little else.

That's not the reason they fight...wow.

Batman's voice sounded a lot better without the robotic tint, so why was it even a thing?

To hide his identity...

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

True. Not quite sure he's the best guy to be putting together the Justice League...

Oh and Superman is? What kind of background does he have that would make him an expert? Batman has the resources to search and find these people. He also asked Wonder Woman for her help.

[NinjaPug]

Purse,

How did Lex know Bruce was Batman?

[Purse Grabbin Puke]

Originally Posted by NinjaPug

Purse,

How did Lex know Bruce was Batman?

I don't know. Was it revealed that he knew Bruce was Batman? Wallace had been returning those checks for months with messages on them, way before Lex even knew about Wallace. So that letter I think would have come from Wallace. Lex was baiting Batman, not Bruce.

If Lex did know Bruce was Batman, then they did an awful job of that in the movie. They could have explained it by Mercy catching Bruce in the room with the servers, or when Bruce opened the files Lex was notified, etc...none of that was shown, so I'm not so sure Lex knew Batman's identity.

[NinjaPug]

Originally Posted by Purse Grabbin Puke

I don't know. Was it revealed that he knew Bruce was Batman? Wallace had been returning those checks for months with messages on them, way before Lex even knew about Wallace. So that letter I think would have come from Wallace. Lex was baiting Batman, not Bruce.

If Lex did know Bruce was Batman, then they did an awful job of that in the movie. They could have explained it by Mercy catching Bruce in the room with the servers, or when Bruce opened the files Lex was notified, etc...none of that was shown, so I'm not so sure Lex knew Batman's identity.

Hmmm...I was under the impression the returned checks were due to Lex. He even told Superman on top of the tower that it only took a few returned checks saying you killed his family to turn Batman against him. I wasn't sure if I missed something that explained more.

[Krutch]

Originally Posted by Purse Grabbin Puke

First of all the bullets weren't made by Lex, they didn't have Lex Corp on them. The metal was tested and they discovered the metal was developed by Lex's company. Regardless, the secretary wouldn't go on record so there is something going on. Maybe Lex has his hands in the pockets of many.

I didn't mean it's literally stamped with "LexCorp" You're STILL avoiding my question as to WHY would he wouldn't just give them regular bullets, though. All it does it make it a trail that leads directly to his company.

Face it, man. The sole reason he did is so Lois could have a storyline

He wasn't trying to be incognito to Batman or anyone really. He was trying to get people AGAINST Superman. He was pretty open and honest about it...pretty much like every Lex.

You just said he was using Batman as a pawn. His end game was to clearly pit Superman and Batman against each other. He did this by staging two different scenarios, both of which he leaves incredibly incriminating evidence of his involvement. Especially when the "pawn" you're trying to control has the reputation of a master detective. Lex's plans suck.

They certainly left it up for interpretation, I didn't mind it. I'm suspecting the extended cut will answer that question. It's sounding more and more like Snyder really got shafted by WB with the editing of this movie. And there are now rumors the R Rated movie could be released in theaters soon, because Snyder is putting together a Digital Cinema Package for the R rated cut. Let's not forget the Watchmen Directors Cut is SO much better than the theatrical release...so this has happened to him in the past.

It's not left for interpretation. What you can leave up to interpretation from that scene is the reason why Batman came to the conclusion to spare Superman when hearing the name. That was intentional, though, you can draw some obvious conclusions. Him saying "Martha!" was just badly planted convenience writing.

I agree, the full Watchmen cut was marginally better. I look forward to seeing the cut myself to see how many holes it fills(or opens up).

They've only been exposed to two creatures from Krypton. You are making no sense. Let's look at it this way. Let's say two people and a dog from earth land on Krypton. For 18 months everyone on Krypton has seen the two people, and all the sudden the dog walks off the ship...I think everyone would assume the dog is from earth as well.

I'm making perfect sense here, you're just reaching for a foregone conclusion that isn't there. Let's take your example and flip it:

You're an alien. Two types of aliens that look identical to your own species' male and female equivalents land on your planet after traveling space for an unknown amount of time or distance. Over a year passes with your own military going in and out of the crashed ship. Suddenly, a creature unlike anything you've seen before which bares absolutely no resemblance to the prior alien life emerges from the direction of the ship, and your first instincts are "Yep! totally, 100 percent Kryptonian!"? How do we know what was even on that ship or what it was carrying? Its capable of intergalactic travel, meaning it can go to other planets and gather other lifeforms. Oh, and this all happens a couple days later after learning theres a whole subculture of your own species that exists on your planet with unforseen powers, physicality's, and so on. Oh, and the guy who has been performing these secret experiments on these people? He very recently gotten full access to the ship that's shown no signs of alien life whatsoever since its crashed. Come on, man.

Execution was wrong, because after the fact you found out Snyder's reason...

Not that I still wouldn't have a point regardless, but, that news came out yesterday. I've been vocal about how tacked on and poorly handled his whole death felt since I'd seen it.

Because a kryptonian ship started shooting lightening out of it, and Superman threw a giant monster out of the ship.

See above.

Oh and Superman is? What kind of background does he have that would make him an expert? Batman has the resources to search and find these people. He also asked Wonder Woman for her help.

The point is nobody is lol Superman is an aimless weirdo who can't even figure himself out let alone set up an entire league, Batman is a murderous vigilante, and Wonder Woman is too much of an unknown at this point.

[Purse Grabbin Puke]

Originally Posted by Krutch

I didn't mean it's literally stamped with "LexCorp" You're STILL avoiding my question as to WHY would he wouldn't just give them regular bullets, though. All it does it make it a trail that leads directly to his company.

Face it, man. The sole reason he did is so Lois could have a storyline

Jesus...ultimately he used the situation to further damage Superman's reputation. You are the one harping on the friggin bullets. Lois' digging into the situation is what opens up Lex being linked to these acts just before it's revealed Lex has been pitting Bat's and Superman against each other.

You just said he was using Batman as a pawn. His end game was to clearly pit Superman and Batman against each other. He did this by staging two different scenarios, both of which he leaves incredibly incriminating evidence of his involvement. Especially when the "pawn" you're trying to control has the reputation of a master detective. Lex's plans suck.

He is not calling Batman and saying HEY LOOK WHAT I DID, he's leaving breadcrumbs so the "master detective" can fall into the trap.

It's not left for interpretation. What you can leave up to interpretation from that scene is the reason why Batman came to the conclusion to spare Superman when hearing the name. That was intentional, though, you can draw some obvious conclusions. Him saying "Martha!" was just badly planted convenience writing.

Ultimately I'll have to see the uncut version because I believe there will be a scene where Clark finds out about Bruce's parents. If he finds that out, then he purposefully used the name Martha.

I'm making perfect sense here, you're just reaching for a foregone conclusion that isn't there. Let's take your example and flip it:

You're an alien. Two types of aliens that look identical to your own species' male and female equivalents land on your planet after traveling space for an unknown amount of time or distance. Over a year passes with your own military going in and out of the crashed ship. Suddenly, a creature unlike anything you've seen before which bares absolutely no resemblance to the prior alien life emerges from the direction of the ship, and your first instincts are "Yep! totally, 100 percent Kryptonian!"? How do we know what was even on that ship or what it was carrying? Its capable of intergalactic travel, meaning it can go to other planets and gather other lifeforms. Oh, and this all happens a couple days later after learning theres a whole subculture of your own species that exists on your planet with unforseen powers, physicality's, and so on. Oh, and the guy who has been performing these secret experiments on these people? He very recently gotten full access to the ship that's shown no signs of alien life whatsoever since its crashed. Come on, man.

First of all NOBODY has been on that ship because Lex had to use the peeled off fingerprints of Zod to get in.

Secondly I think during a major attack, it's safe to assume it's Kryptonian based on the reasons I've listed. In the heat of the battle I think Batman's first instinct it's Kryptonian, and he's right. So in your scenario, Bat's should have just not tried to get the spear?

The point is nobody is lol Superman is an aimless weirdo who can't even figure himself out let alone set up an entire league, Batman is a murderous vigilante, and Wonder Woman is too much of an unknown at this point.

Batman is WAY more logical to start the Justice League, there is no discussion here. Out of Superman, Batman, and Wonder Woman, Batman makes the most sense.

[Commenter 42]

New Forbes article cleverly points out that the response to BVS is very telling of the times we live in.

'Batman v Superman' Is A Blockbuster For The Trump Era

"...There is something about the market’s utter indifference to the profound shortcomings of this particular film, combined with fans’ angry rejection of the critical response, that echoes some of the other trends going on in American politics and society at this moment.

In other words, forget quality: It may be that a defiantly awful Batman movie is just the ticket to make a billion in the age of Trump."

No one could argue with this, but I'm sure they will try.

[turtlefanforever]

Originally Posted by Krutch

I didn't mean it's literally stamped with "LexCorp" You're STILL avoiding my question as to WHY would he wouldn't just give them regular bullets, though. All it does it make it a trail that leads directly to his company.

Face it, man. The sole reason he did is so Lois could have a storyline


You just said he was using Batman as a pawn. His end game was to clearly pit Superman and Batman against each other. He did this by staging two different scenarios, both of which he leaves incredibly incriminating evidence of his involvement. Especially when the "pawn" you're trying to control has the reputation of a master detective. Lex's plans suck.


It's not left for interpretation. What you can leave up to interpretation from that scene is the reason why Batman came to the conclusion to spare Superman when hearing the name. That was intentional, though, you can draw some obvious conclusions. Him saying "Martha!" was just badly planted convenience writing.

I agree, the full Watchmen cut was marginally better. I look forward to seeing the cut myself to see how many holes it fills(or opens up).

I'm making perfect sense here, you're just reaching for a foregone conclusion that isn't there. Let's take your example and flip it:

You're an alien. Two types of aliens that look identical to your own species' male and female equivalents land on your planet after traveling space for an unknown amount of time or distance. Over a year passes with your own military going in and out of the crashed ship. Suddenly, a creature unlike anything you've seen before which bares absolutely no resemblance to the prior alien life emerges from the direction of the ship, and your first instincts are "Yep! totally, 100 percent Kryptonian!"? How do we know what was even on that ship or what it was carrying? Its capable of intergalactic travel, meaning it can go to other planets and gather other lifeforms. Oh, and this all happens a couple days later after learning theres a whole subculture of your own species that exists on your planet with unforseen powers, physicality's, and so on. Oh, and the guy who has been performing these secret experiments on these people? He very recently gotten full access to the ship that's shown no signs of alien life whatsoever since its crashed. Come on, man.


Not that I still wouldn't have a point regardless, but, that news came out yesterday. I've been vocal about how tacked on and poorly handled his whole death felt since I'd seen it.


See above.


The point is nobody is lol Superman is an aimless weirdo who can't even figure himself out let alone set up an entire league, Batman is a murderous vigilante, and Wonder Woman is too much of an unknown at this point.

you are REALLY reaching with these insane arguments. Do you have a personal vendetta against someone in the cast/crew? your view on this is so diluted and set in stone you wont listen to logic or reason.

[GoldMutant]

Originally Posted by turtlefanforever

you are REALLY reaching with these insane arguments. Do you have a personal vendetta against someone in the cast/crew? your view on this is so diluted and set in stone you wont listen to logic or reason.

Oh the irony is strong with this one.

[Commenter 42]

Batman v Superman' Sets Record With Worst Friday-Sunday Drop For A Superhero Pic

"According to the figures I’ve compiled from Boxofficemojo.com, Batman v Superman has set a new record for the worst Friday-to-Sunday drop for a superhero movie release in modern North American box office history. In dropping 55% from its $82 million Friday debut to its $37 million gross on Sunday, it pummeled all prior records for weakness in theatrical staying power. It even beat the nearly universally reviled and now long-forgotten Fantastic Four reboot, which dropped a comparatively modest 48% across its opening weekend in the summer of 2015."



Who was it that wanted to bet on the success of this steaming pile?
Lol...it's even underperforming my expectations.

[TheSkeletonMan939]

Well... it was Easter Sunday.

[Commenter 42]

Originally Posted by TheSkeletonMan939

Well... it was Easter Sunday.

The article goes on to say:


"You might be thinking that Sunday was the Easter holiday, which could account for the big Sunday drop. But that still wouldn’t explain the Friday-to-Saturday decline of 38%, which was the second worst opening Friday-to-Saturday drop in the annals of superhero releases, after a 40% dip for The Dark Knight Rises."

[TheSkeletonMan939]

Derp

My bad :p

Word of mouth is still a pretty powerful thing it seems, even in today's social media-driven world.

[JTH]

Originally Posted by Commenter 42

The article goes on to say:


"You might be thinking that Sunday was the Easter holiday, which could account for the big Sunday drop. But that still wouldn’t explain the Friday-to-Saturday decline of 38%, which was the second worst opening Friday-to-Saturday drop in the annals of superhero releases, after a 40% dip for The Dark Knight Rises."

And it was the 4th highest opening worldwide grossing movie of all time.

What about that is underwhelming, a failure, flop, or were people expecting 550 million right out the gate?