Sinking ratings, is nostalgia not working? - Page 3

*Powder* · 04-08-2016, 07:13 PM

Yeah, we all thought so at first, but according to Ciro, it's not. There's a guy working on the show who happens to have that same surname. Still works just fine as an incidental reference, at least.

*CyberCubed* · 04-08-2016, 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by thundermaster612

If nostalgia really is the issue then why not create new characters and new storylines instead of reusing old ones, l?

But Nick has created a ton of new characters, so I don't understand where this "myth" that all Nick does is re-use Fred Wolf characters comes from. They've brought back old Mirage, original toon, 4kids, and Archie characters into the show and created new ones.

*miru* · 04-08-2016, 07:24 PM

I'd go with the lack of marketing, the horrible Northampton arc, and Bay's damage of the franchise as the causes of this.

*Shark_Blade* · 04-08-2016, 07:30 PM

TV ratings are nothing tbh. Most people watch online nowadays.

As long the toys and merchs keep selling, we're good.

thundermaster612 · 04-08-2016, 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by CyberCubed

But Nick has created a ton of new characters, so I don't understand where this "myth" that all Nick does is re-use Fred Wolf characters comes from. They've brought back old Mirage, original toon, 4kids, and Archie characters into the show and created new ones.

Well lately reusing old characters is all Nick does, I dunno I want to see a new character whos a space cannibal that eats turtles named Canurtle or something...

I'm at least glad that KavaXas is new

*ssjup81* · 04-08-2016, 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by thundermaster612

Well lately reusing old characters is all Nick does, I dunno I want to see a new character whos a space cannibal that eats turtles named Canurtle or something...

I'm at least glad that KavaXas is new

But here's the thing....what's old to you is new to somebody else. Not everyone has watched/read all the other incarnations of this 30+ year old franchise.

*CyberCubed* · 04-09-2016, 02:30 AM

I kinda agree, the vast majority of "old characters" are basically new for most of the fanbase. Especially given some characters are given drastically different origins or personalities.

Mona Lisa is an alien in this series, in the original she was a mutant. Lord Dregg is different here than he was in the OT, Armaggon isn't a time traveling shark like he was in Archie, etc.

*shredder orokusaki* · 04-09-2016, 02:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Shark_Blade

TV ratings are nothing tbh. Most people watch online nowadays.

As long the toys and merchs keep selling, we're good.

Exaxtly. The people who watch shows on tv are a minority compared to those who watch online. The money that Nickelodeon is making from episodes s sales on Itunes and the sales of toys is what is keeping the slow alive. And since both the sales of episodes and toys are very very high we have nothing to worry about.

*Andrew NDB* · 04-09-2016, 02:52 AM

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Originally Posted by shredder orokusaki

Exaxtly. The people who watch shows on tv are a minority compared to those who watch online. The money that Nickelodeon is making from episodes s sales on Itunes and the sales of toys is what is keeping the slow alive. And since both the sales of episodes and toys are very very high we have nothing to worry about.

iTunes? While I'm sure that accounts for a smidgen of the totality of their profits, that's pretty far from say, Agents of SHIELD or something. Little kids (you know, like the actual TARGET audience who account for 98.5% of the people watching TMNT on Nickelodeon beyond the 2000 active fans on this board who are just watching a thing because it has the name "TMNT" in it) are simply not watching TMNT on their mommy and daddy's iPhone or iPad at cost. No little kids of lower to middle class, to be sure. Are 95% of the adults like you and I probably pirating or watching the Nick show in means other than ones legal and clear? Sure, probably... but two sh*ts in a bucket matter about that, as we are the weird adults watching children's cartoon who account for ridiculously less % than apparently a lot of folks around this forum seem to think.

The toys? Absolutely. That's paramount. Always has been.

*CyberCubed* · 04-09-2016, 02:55 AM

The show has already been renewed for Season 5, and we're only halfway into Season 4 airing right now. So the show will go on through 2017 at least.

I highly suspect the show will get 7 seasons like the 2k3 series did before they call it quits.

*lonewarrior20* · 04-09-2016, 04:15 AM

it's the time slot. most people aren't home to watch it. they're either at church or their working. i loved it when they switched the show to friday night for while.

*Metalwolf* · 04-09-2016, 01:13 PM

OK, so we have a lot of folks saying that a lot of the kiddies are watching this show online now. Do we have any thing that shows what the online ratings are?

That might help shed light on what the true status of this show is.

*CyberCubed* · 04-09-2016, 01:17 PM

Kids are watching the show online illegally. You can't keep track of something like that.

You guys do realize that there are sites that put up every kids cartoon online streaming for free? And they're all easily found by a quick google search? You don't even have to use torrents anymore. What time period are some of you living in? We're not in 2002 anymore!

*Prowler* · 04-09-2016, 01:22 PM

What about the toy sales? How have they been faring lately?

*Utrommaniac* · 04-09-2016, 01:37 PM

Well...I would say that everyone's got it.

- Easy access to online streaming; Nick's streaming site sucks, so of course people would be looking for other ways to watch it. Even if it means illegally.

- Time slot and day. Sundays at 11? Bad move

- Age change in audience. The original audience is made up of teenagers, and those who are keeping up are nostalgic adults or the loyal dregs of the original audience.

*Powder* · 04-09-2016, 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by lonewarrior20

most people ... at church

In pockets of the south, maybe. Otherwise, not so much. It is a far less common practice these days.

*ToTheNines* · 04-09-2016, 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Powder

In pockets of the south, maybe. Otherwise, not so much. It is a far less common practice these days.

I dunno man, I work in DC a lot. It's a pretty liberal area and it's littered with all different kinds of churches.

Traveling all over the east coast, I see them everywhere. I know that just because they're there doesn't mean people are going, but I feel like it's still pretty common.

*Powder* · 04-09-2016, 03:46 PM

Be that as it may, barring a few exceptions, I've never known TMNT to be of particular fondness to traditionally Christian parents. Violence, eastern spiritual themes, etc. They drummed up a lot of controversy back in the day, as I'm sure you recall. In my experience, kids raised under strong faith were typically not allowed to watch it. Maybe today's Christian parents are different, I dunno.

*Original TMNT Cartoon Fan* · 04-09-2016, 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by CyberCubed

A kid who was 8 back in 2012 is now 12 years old in 2016. Maybe the 12 year old doesn't want to watch cartoons anymore

I wanted to watch many action cartoons at 12 (and older), but ended up feeling ashame and had to watch threw the windows that noone saw me.

Konchadunga · 04-09-2016, 03:52 PM

The only way I can really put this is, it's boring. It used to be more interesting; this series had a good sense of humor at the start, and it seemed like a lot of the ideas they were experimenting with had potential. Its reinvention of old characters was generally impressive. Unfortunately, it now feels like it's just treading water. There aren't enough jokes, there isn't enough suspense, there isn't much character development; it all just is.

I think the problem might be that they've thrusted the series into a whole new scenario faster than they have time to develop it. While this series' villains were never deep, with the Triceratons it seems like they've reached an all-new generic low for villains; it manages to turn the race against time to save Earth from destruction into something I don't care about, because the villains looking to destroy it don't leave any impression on me; it's impossible to suspend disbelief.

The scenarios they go through in space just come and go too rapidly to make an impression, too. Maybe a Lovecraft-inspired ocean world would be interesting if they fleshed it out; as it is, it's just one of many nods to science fiction mainstays they're doing here. Same with an alien town that looks like Tatooine, a basic scenario that looks like Star Trek, an actor from Doctor Who etc. In this case, no; I don't think catering to nostalgia works, because you can't just survive on references to things people like. Diving into why they like them is more important. As somebody on these forums, maybe or maybe not the thread creator, once put it, "Hey; remember that" is not clever writing.

04-08-2016, 07:24 PM	#43
miru Mad Scientist Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 1,874	I'd go with the lack of marketing, the horrible Northampton arc, and Bay's damage of the franchise as the causes of this. __________________ Proud Digimon nut.

04-09-2016, 04:15 AM	#51
lonewarrior20 Mad Scientist Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: pekin,IL Posts: 1,872	it's the time slot. most people aren't home to watch it. they're either at church or their working. i loved it when they switched the show to friday night for while. __________________ Join my Patreon to help production for my Tmnt/GIJoe fan-comic https://www.patreon.com/cw/lonewarrior20 "If the sun comes up tomorrow, it is only because of men of good will. That is all there is between us and the devil." Kenny O'Donnell https://www.deviantart.com/lonewarrior20 my fan comic/episodes of the lost season, weird ideas and my collection pics

04-09-2016, 01:37 PM	#55
Utrommaniac Resident overthinker Join Date: Nov 2015 Location: what is going on.......... Posts: 5,318	Well...I would say that everyone's got it. - Easy access to online streaming; Nick's streaming site sucks, so of course people would be looking for other ways to watch it. Even if it means illegally. - Time slot and day. Sundays at 11? Bad move - Age change in audience. The original audience is made up of teenagers, and those who are keeping up are nostalgic adults or the loyal dregs of the original audience. __________________ DeviantART

04-09-2016, 03:52 PM	#60
Konchadunga Stone Warrior Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Southern California Posts: 912	The only way I can really put this is, it's boring. It used to be more interesting; this series had a good sense of humor at the start, and it seemed like a lot of the ideas they were experimenting with had potential. Its reinvention of old characters was generally impressive. Unfortunately, it now feels like it's just treading water. There aren't enough jokes, there isn't enough suspense, there isn't much character development; it all just is. I think the problem might be that they've thrusted the series into a whole new scenario faster than they have time to develop it. While this series' villains were never deep, with the Triceratons it seems like they've reached an all-new generic low for villains; it manages to turn the race against time to save Earth from destruction into something I don't care about, because the villains looking to destroy it don't leave any impression on me; it's impossible to suspend disbelief. The scenarios they go through in space just come and go too rapidly to make an impression, too. Maybe a Lovecraft-inspired ocean world would be interesting if they fleshed it out; as it is, it's just one of many nods to science fiction mainstays they're doing here. Same with an alien town that looks like Tatooine, a basic scenario that looks like Star Trek, an actor from Doctor Who etc. In this case, no; I don't think catering to nostalgia works, because you can't just survive on references to things people like. Diving into why they like them is more important. As somebody on these forums, maybe or maybe not the thread creator, once put it, "Hey; remember that" is not clever writing. __________________

04-08-2016, 07:13 PM	#41
Powder 40 Years of TMNT Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Shell-Ri-La Posts: 26,956	Yeah, we all thought so at first, but according to Ciro, it's not. There's a guy working on the show who happens to have that same surname. Still works just fine as an incidental reference, at least.

04-08-2016, 07:30 PM	#44
Shark_Blade Emperor Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 7,909	TV ratings are nothing tbh. Most people watch online nowadays. As long the toys and merchs keep selling, we're good.

04-09-2016, 02:30 AM	#47
CyberCubed Overlord Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 43,880	I kinda agree, the vast majority of "old characters" are basically new for most of the fanbase. Especially given some characters are given drastically different origins or personalities. Mona Lisa is an alien in this series, in the original she was a mutant. Lord Dregg is different here than he was in the OT, Armaggon isn't a time traveling shark like he was in Archie, etc.

04-09-2016, 02:55 AM	#50
CyberCubed Overlord Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 43,880	The show has already been renewed for Season 5, and we're only halfway into Season 4 airing right now. So the show will go on through 2017 at least. I highly suspect the show will get 7 seasons like the 2k3 series did before they call it quits.

04-09-2016, 01:13 PM	#52
Metalwolf Mad Scientist Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 1,563	OK, so we have a lot of folks saying that a lot of the kiddies are watching this show online now. Do we have any thing that shows what the online ratings are? That might help shed light on what the true status of this show is.

04-09-2016, 01:17 PM	#53
CyberCubed Overlord Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 43,880	Kids are watching the show online illegally. You can't keep track of something like that. You guys do realize that there are sites that put up every kids cartoon online streaming for free? And they're all easily found by a quick google search? You don't even have to use torrents anymore. What time period are some of you living in? We're not in 2002 anymore!

04-09-2016, 03:46 PM	#58
Powder 40 Years of TMNT Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Shell-Ri-La Posts: 26,956	Be that as it may, barring a few exceptions, I've never known TMNT to be of particular fondness to traditionally Christian parents. Violence, eastern spiritual themes, etc. They drummed up a lot of controversy back in the day, as I'm sure you recall. In my experience, kids raised under strong faith were typically not allowed to watch it. Maybe today's Christian parents are different, I dunno.