Wasted Potential

*Allio* · 07-01-2016, 11:54 AM

Anyone else feel like this regarding the nick incarnation. It feels like since season three, the episodes have been "It's alright, but could have been better" type of format.

*TurtleTitan97* · 07-01-2016, 11:55 AM

No, not really. I still enjoy the majority of episodes for the most part.

*CyberCubed* · 07-01-2016, 11:57 AM

The show is fine. Watch the same people come here and post the same complaints from the previous threads over and over.

*TurtleTitan97* · 07-01-2016, 12:02 PM

You mean like what you usually do, Cubed?

*GoldMutant* · 07-01-2016, 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by CyberCubed

The show is fine. Watch the same people come here and post the same complaints from the previous threads over and over.

You mean Asian Hun? The Neutrinos? Then later after discussion, "this thread needs to be locked?"

Considering I've been more critical of the series though, yes. There are episodes I still hate, but some I scratch my head that could have been improved on.

*CyberCubed* · 07-01-2016, 12:11 PM

I'm talking about the episodes, they're fine. Obviously not every character itself is good or interesting.

*GoldMutant* · 07-01-2016, 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by CyberCubed

I'm talking about the episodes, they're fine. Obviously not every character itself is good or interesting.

I am pointing out what TT said about you with these complaints, but I digress.

As for the series, the space arc to me is an issue as are episodes scattered across the series. I'll include a link to the space arc post I made a while back:
http://forums.thetechnodrome.com/sho...&postcount=113

Outside this, I can continue complaints but overall it's the same thing I'll repeat. It's certainly disappointing lately for me and I'm hoping for improvement, even if far gone.

Aaronardo · 07-01-2016, 01:42 PM

Watch an episode of Season 1. Any episode. Pick one. Then watch an episode of Season 3 or 4. There is a noticeable decline in quality. Whether you like these newer episodes or not (I personally like quite a few, but I agree with the OP that a lot of them could've been done better), it's very apparent this show is a shadow of what it could've been. Which is incredibly unfortunate.

*CyberCubed* · 07-01-2016, 02:34 PM

There's no real difference. Season 1 is just when everything was starting out and we were getting used to the new personalities of the Turtles and all the characters.

The fillers in Season 1 about the Cockroach Terminator, the Wasps, Timmy's first two eps (I know they weren't fillers but either way), the one with the go-karts and water balloons, etc are not any better or different than the ones now.

*GoldMutant* · 07-01-2016, 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by CyberCubed

There's no real difference. Season 1 is just when everything was starting out and we were getting used to the new personalities of the Turtles and all the characters.

The fillers in Season 1 about the Cockroach Terminator, the Wasps, Timmy's first two eps (I know they weren't fillers but either way), the one with the go-karts and water balloons, etc are not any better or different than the ones now.

LOL what? (turnabout's fair play) The go-kart and water balloon episode is not filler in the slightest. It clearly contributes to the story due to Dogpound's debut in battle as well as the Shredder nightmare, as did Tim/Mutagen Man (even if a dead horse).

Aaronardo · 07-01-2016, 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by CyberCubed

The fillers in Season 1 about the Cockroach Terminator, the Wasps, Timmy's first two eps (I know they weren't fillers but either way), the one with the go-karts and water balloons, etc are not any better or different than the ones now.

When I watch Cockroach Terminator or Parasitica or any other Season 1 "filler," I don't feel like I walked away empty-handed like I do if I watch a filler from Season 3. Season 1 simply had better writing. Even with a premise that is incredibly worthless (like some of the episodes of that season), the writers for that season made sure there was enough well-directed humor and character interactions to make it an episode you want to watch again and again.

Seasons 3 and 4 simply don't have that. Season 2 somewhat continued the trend, but 3 and 4 just utterly abandoned it. Character dynamics that involved characters bantering and bickering with each other? Gone. A healthy dose of smart humor to add a backbone to the plot that's currently going on? Gone. (Maybe you'll see some off-the-wall joke here or there). The things that made the writing in Seasons 1 and 2 so interesting and fun to watch? It's all gone.

A new episode of this show used to mean fun to come as well as the interesting plot and action for me. Now, without that important layer, this show has become a chore to watch, unfortunately.

*plastroncafe* · 07-01-2016, 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Allio

Anyone else feel like this regarding the nick incarnation. It feels like since season three, the episodes have been "It's alright, but could have been better" type of format.

I know that I do.
As I've always said: the voice work and animation are always stellar, but the stories in the later seasons don't resonate with me as strongly as the ones from season 1.

*CyberCubed* · 07-01-2016, 04:12 PM

That's strange, I found the Cockroach Terminator episode boring even when it originally aired back in 2013 or so. The eps haven't changed. We're just used to the character dynamics now.

Everything is awesome.

*Powder* · 07-01-2016, 04:33 PM

Pretty sure this same thread exists already with the same title 'n urrythang.

The only wasted potential that comes to mind for me is that the tone has gotten goofier & there are some characters whose circumstances I'd have preferred seen addressed sooner. Beyond that, & the way Raph X Mona was handled, I've found it to be near perfect since the get-go.

*Ninturtle* · 07-01-2016, 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Aaronardo

When I watch Cockroach Terminator or Parasitica or any other Season 1 "filler," I don't feel like I walked away empty-handed like I do if I watch a filler from Season 3. Season 1 simply had better writing. Even with a premise that is incredibly worthless (like some of the episodes of that season), the writers for that season made sure there was enough well-directed humor and character interactions to make it an episode you want to watch again and again.

Seasons 3 and 4 simply don't have that. Season 2 somewhat continued the trend, but 3 and 4 just utterly abandoned it. Character dynamics that involved characters bantering and bickering with each other? Gone. A healthy dose of smart humor to add a backbone to the plot that's currently going on? Gone. (Maybe you'll see some off-the-wall joke here or there). The things that made the writing in Seasons 1 and 2 so interesting and fun to watch? It's all gone.

A new episode of this show used to mean fun to come as well as the interesting plot and action for me. Now, without that important layer, this show has become a chore to watch, unfortunately.

Honestly I found Season 2 to be the biggest step down because the show wasn't nearly as funny as season 1 which was a huge bummer. There's good episodes every now and then, and some new addition like Bebop and Rocksteady are ones that I really like but the shows writing just doesn't compare to season 1's.

Aaronardo · 07-01-2016, 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Ninturtle

Honestly I found Season 2 to be the biggest step down because the show wasn't nearly as funny as season 1 which was a huge bummer. There's good episodes every now and then, and some new addition like Bebop and Rocksteady are ones that I really like but the shows writing just doesn't compare to season 1's.

Fair enough. I guess I have a bit of nostalgia for Season 2 as I've probably rewatched the hell out of most of those episodes

I think if I had to pinpoint the exact episode where the show just kinda got derailed (at least for me), I'd say Mazes & Mutants (which was in Season 2) was the first episode I was incredibly disappointed with. And then a string of "eh" episodes followed afterward before The Wrath Of Tiger Claw picked things back up again.

A lot of the humor in the show these days reminds me of when I try to hammer out humor for my own writing. When it doesn't just come into your head and you think "oh, that's funny!" it just feels forced otherwise. And that's exactly what the humor in the show (with what little there is) is like. Forced. And for a show that doesn't take itself nearly as seriously as it probably should, that's a pretty fatal flaw.

*ssjup81* · 07-01-2016, 06:26 PM

For me, it's about the same, although I like the later episodes more in some ways just as I like some things about the earlier eps that's not done much for the later. With Mikey, oh my god....season 1, with the exception of probably Parasitica, which is a fav for me, btw, Mikey annoyed the living heck out of me. I like him more as the show continues compared to his, "What does this button do" nonsense from season 1.

Anyway, does this show have missed opportunities? Absolutely. Actually, for the space arc, they missed the opportunity to somehow reference the Newtralizer.

*ToTheNines* · 07-01-2016, 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Aaronardo

A lot of the humor in the show these days reminds me of when I try to hammer out humor for my own writing. When it doesn't just come into your head and you think "oh, that's funny!" it just feels forced otherwise. And that's exactly what the humor in the show (with what little there is) is like. Forced. And for a show that doesn't take itself nearly as seriously as it probably should, that's a pretty fatal flaw.

Yeah, they lost a step there. It's funny sometimes, but season 1 was unbelievably hilarious.

T-U-R-T-L-E POWA! · 07-01-2016, 06:36 PM

I think the show is still awesome and has found ways to do things that not a single incarnation of a TMNT toon has managed to do. It can actually elicit genuine emotion. Watching Shredder seemingly stab Splinter in the back and maybe kill him was a great moment. Watching the Turtles react to that moment was also a great moment. Donnie's reaction to losing Metalhead was an emotional moment as well. Vision Quest is a great episode well in to the series. This is a great show and I honestly feel like the only people that really hate on it are just hipster fanboys trying to sound cool. To say that there has been some huge decline in quality since season one is just absurd and stupid on its face.

*Donatello19* · 07-01-2016, 07:11 PM

Honestly my only problem was that the space episodes kind of seemed like a chore to watch.

07-01-2016, 11:54 AM	#1
Allio Foot Elite Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 4,208	Wasted Potential Anyone else feel like this regarding the nick incarnation. It feels like since season three, the episodes have been "It's alright, but could have been better" type of format. __________________

07-01-2016, 11:55 AM	#2
TurtleTitan97 Space Cowboy Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Speed Force Posts: 7,043	No, not really. I still enjoy the majority of episodes for the most part. __________________

07-01-2016, 12:02 PM	#4
TurtleTitan97 Space Cowboy Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Speed Force Posts: 7,043	You mean like what you usually do, Cubed? __________________

07-01-2016, 06:36 PM	#19
T-U-R-T-L-E POWA! Stone Warrior Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: Knoxville,TN Posts: 996	I think the show is still awesome and has found ways to do things that not a single incarnation of a TMNT toon has managed to do. It can actually elicit genuine emotion. Watching Shredder seemingly stab Splinter in the back and maybe kill him was a great moment. Watching the Turtles react to that moment was also a great moment. Donnie's reaction to losing Metalhead was an emotional moment as well. Vision Quest is a great episode well in to the series. This is a great show and I honestly feel like the only people that really hate on it are just hipster fanboys trying to sound cool. To say that there has been some huge decline in quality since season one is just absurd and stupid on its face. __________________ Go Ninja! Go Ninja! GO!

07-01-2016, 11:57 AM	#3
CyberCubed Overlord Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 43,880	The show is fine. Watch the same people come here and post the same complaints from the previous threads over and over.

07-01-2016, 12:11 PM	#6
CyberCubed Overlord Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 43,880	I'm talking about the episodes, they're fine. Obviously not every character itself is good or interesting.

07-01-2016, 01:42 PM	#8
Aaronardo Mad Scientist Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: :noitacoL Posts: 1,043	Watch an episode of Season 1. Any episode. Pick one. Then watch an episode of Season 3 or 4. There is a noticeable decline in quality. Whether you like these newer episodes or not (I personally like quite a few, but I agree with the OP that a lot of them could've been done better), it's very apparent this show is a shadow of what it could've been. Which is incredibly unfortunate.

07-01-2016, 02:34 PM	#9
CyberCubed Overlord Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 43,880	There's no real difference. Season 1 is just when everything was starting out and we were getting used to the new personalities of the Turtles and all the characters. The fillers in Season 1 about the Cockroach Terminator, the Wasps, Timmy's first two eps (I know they weren't fillers but either way), the one with the go-karts and water balloons, etc are not any better or different than the ones now.

07-01-2016, 04:12 PM	#13
CyberCubed Overlord Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 43,880	That's strange, I found the Cockroach Terminator episode boring even when it originally aired back in 2013 or so. The eps haven't changed. We're just used to the character dynamics now. Everything is awesome.

07-01-2016, 04:33 PM	#14
Powder 40 Years of TMNT Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Shell-Ri-La Posts: 26,956	Pretty sure this same thread exists already with the same title 'n urrythang. The only wasted potential that comes to mind for me is that the tone has gotten goofier & there are some characters whose circumstances I'd have preferred seen addressed sooner. Beyond that, & the way Raph X Mona was handled, I've found it to be near perfect since the get-go.

07-01-2016, 06:26 PM	#17
ssjup81 Foot Elite Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Central Virginia (Back in the US) Posts: 4,734	For me, it's about the same, although I like the later episodes more in some ways just as I like some things about the earlier eps that's not done much for the later. With Mikey, oh my god....season 1, with the exception of probably Parasitica, which is a fav for me, btw, Mikey annoyed the living heck out of me. I like him more as the show continues compared to his, "What does this button do" nonsense from season 1. Anyway, does this show have missed opportunities? Absolutely. Actually, for the space arc, they missed the opportunity to somehow reference the Newtralizer.

07-01-2016, 07:11 PM	#20
Donatello19 Merchandise Maniac Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: New York Posts: 5,919	Honestly my only problem was that the space episodes kind of seemed like a chore to watch.