Pick one "good guy" to turn

*turtlefanforever* · 08-22-2016, 05:21 PM

If you could pick one turtle/turtle allies to turn bad who would it be?

I'd go april getting turnt by the Rat king into Rat Queen.

Discuss below.

*IndigoErth* · 08-22-2016, 05:38 PM

Not sure how that would happen, but an evil Usagi would be interesting.

*snake* · 08-22-2016, 05:40 PM

I would say Splinter, but only if done right

*CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy* · 08-22-2016, 05:43 PM

Casey Jones. He's already on the fence in some iterations, especially Mirage. IDW Casey could fall, too.

*ToTheNines* · 08-22-2016, 05:55 PM

Mikey. Dark Mike was so cool in Deviations.

*oldmanwinters* · 08-22-2016, 05:58 PM

On the flip side, I think it would be interesting to see Stockman become an ally of the Turtles, even though that role of "oddball scientist guy who invents stuff and occasionally gives Donatello a hard time" has basically been filled by Harold in the IDW comics.

Evil Casey Jones wouldn't be somebody I'd take seriously as a threat, as he's not exactly a "master plan" kind of guy and is essentially just a brawler with an entertaining gimmick.

An evil April would actually hold interesting story possibilities, as she would be more likely to oppose the Turtles with her brain instead of her power (Nick Toon version notwithstanding), and it would surely be emotionally difficult for the Turtles to be betrayed by their first and closest human companion. Since April has had so many different roles throughout the various TMNT media, she could undercut the Turtles in very different ways depending on the continuity. If production art is any clue, the never-produced 4th live-action movie was even going to experiment with the concept... probably solely on account of Kevin Eastman's nepotism.

Avenger · 08-22-2016, 07:51 PM

I think a good question would be "Why this character turns bad?"

It's easy to use the mind control/brainwash/brain swap excuse. Finding a good reason for Casey/April/Splinter/Turtles to turn bad "for real" is harder.

a death could be a good trigger. Remember when Flash dies in Justice League Animated Serie and then all Justice League turn bad?

They could do the same with Michealangelo.

Or we could use the Leo/Raph rivality, and then for some reason Raph crosses the line and do something terrible.

Of all the seven main good guys, Raphael would be the easiest to turn bad, because of his anger problem.

Or, we could learn after all these years than Splinter was a double agent from Hydra.

It's easier to imagine all four turtles turning bad together for some reason (April dies and they turn again humanity) then having one turning on his brothers.

*CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy* · 08-22-2016, 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Avenger

I think a good question would be "Why this character turns bad?"

It's easier to imagine all four turtles turning bad together for some reason (April dies and they turn again humanity) then having one turning on his brothers.

Casey Jones kills his father, driven over the edge by guilt, and becomes that which he himself hated. Escapes into alcohol; begins killing street punks; too extreme, the Turtles now oppose him.

It could be done.

And yeah, I agree with that last point. I believe in the Turtles as a family; live or die, all four together.

*TheSkeletonMan939* · 08-22-2016, 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy

Casey Jones kills his father, driven over the edge by guilt, and becomes that which he himself hated. Escapes into alcohol; begins killing street punks; too extreme, the Turtles now oppose him.

Maybe this is a terrible idea, but going off of that it might be an interesting turn for Casey, after the turtles put him in his place, to become kind of like Paulie from Rocky. Kind of a meandering, sorrowful drunkard who only survives because people love him for some reason.

*CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy* · 08-22-2016, 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by TheSkeletonMan939

Maybe this is a terrible idea, but going off of that it might be an interesting turn for Casey, after the turtles put him in his place, to become kind of like Paulie from Rocky. Kind of a meandering, sorrowful drunkard who only survives because people love him for some reason.

I don't think IDW will take it that far, but you can see that the artist in #53-55 has already deliberately drawn Casey and Hun so that their angry faces look exactly the same. Exactly. Go back and take a look.

They're obviously showing, since Rat King messed with Casey, that Casey is so terrified of becoming like his father and terrified of losing the people he cares about, that he WILL become like his father and he WILL (temporarily) lose the people he cares about.

This "Chasing Phantoms" arc is apparently going to further this... but we'll see.

*Chris* · 08-24-2016, 05:33 PM

Not sure why but I think Don going bad could be interesting (maybe be as of Lexington in the Future Tense episode of Gargoyles).

~~SurrealBrain~~ · 08-25-2016, 07:07 PM

Hamato Yoshi. Turns out he faked his death the whole time, and he was the Shredder/Oroku Saki's right hand man from the very beginning.

Splinter would have a very hard time believing this, that's for sure. It could lead to have conflicting loyalty; hisbold master, or the friends and family he's met since leaving him?

Contrived? Yes.

*Utrommaniac* · 08-25-2016, 07:38 PM

That sounds like it could have interesting potential. Why would Hamato Yoshi do that in the first place? And in front of the rat? What would that mean for the Tang Shen feud? Why go into hiding for all those years?

*neatoman* · 08-26-2016, 03:04 AM

Ok so we all know April is becoming an evil psychic in the Nicktoon, though I see her taking the Tetsuo Shima route while others seem to think of Dark Phoenix. Then there's also IDW's take on Leatherhead which is a heel turn I like since he's still Leatherhead, not this "Hohohoho, ah'm gonna turn you into gumbo, ah guarantee!" horsecrap the FW cartoon went with.

As for what I could see happen? Maybe some of the Mutanimals fully embrace their role as terrorists in the IDW series?

*CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy* · 08-26-2016, 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by SurrealBrain

Hamato Yoshi. Turns out he faked his death the whole time, and he was the Shredder/Oroku Saki's right hand man from the very beginning.

Splinter would have a very hard time believing this, that's for sure. It could lead to have conflicting loyalty; hisbold master, or the friends and family he's met since leaving him?

Contrived? Yes.

Contrived? Yes. AMAZING if done well? Absolutely. I like it.

08-22-2016, 05:21 PM	#1
turtlefanforever Foot Elite Join Date: Jan 2014 Posts: 3,098	Pick one "good guy" to turn If you could pick one turtle/turtle allies to turn bad who would it be? I'd go april getting turnt by the Rat king into Rat Queen. Discuss below.

08-22-2016, 05:43 PM	#4
CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy Annalist Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 16,435	Casey Jones. He's already on the fence in some iterations, especially Mirage. IDW Casey could fall, too. __________________ *ALL THEIR DAYS ARE NUMBERED*

08-22-2016, 05:58 PM	#6
oldmanwinters Overlord Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Between yesterday and tomorrow! Posts: 15,499	On the flip side, I think it would be interesting to see Stockman become an ally of the Turtles, even though that role of "oddball scientist guy who invents stuff and occasionally gives Donatello a hard time" has basically been filled by Harold in the IDW comics. Evil Casey Jones wouldn't be somebody I'd take seriously as a threat, as he's not exactly a "master plan" kind of guy and is essentially just a brawler with an entertaining gimmick. An evil April would actually hold interesting story possibilities, as she would be more likely to oppose the Turtles with her brain instead of her power (Nick Toon version notwithstanding), and it would surely be emotionally difficult for the Turtles to be betrayed by their first and closest human companion. Since April has had so many different roles throughout the various TMNT media, she could undercut the Turtles in very different ways depending on the continuity. If production art is any clue, the never-produced 4th live-action movie was even going to experiment with the concept... probably solely on account of Kevin Eastman's nepotism. __________________ Experience the TMNT Fan Commentaries! Check out my TMNT fan comic, "Nothing to Fear"! View my sketch work! I'm selling some of my hard-to-find TMNT items!

08-25-2016, 07:38 PM	#13
Utrommaniac Resident overthinker Join Date: Nov 2015 Location: what is going on.......... Posts: 5,318	That sounds like it could have interesting potential. Why would Hamato Yoshi do that in the first place? And in front of the rat? What would that mean for the Tang Shen feud? Why go into hiding for all those years? __________________ DeviantART

08-22-2016, 05:38 PM	#2
IndigoErth Team Blue Boy Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: U.S., East Coast Posts: 16,295	Not sure how that would happen, but an evil Usagi would be interesting.

08-22-2016, 05:40 PM	#3
snake Disgusting Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Outer Heaven Posts: 12,231	I would say Splinter, but only if done right

08-22-2016, 05:55 PM	#5
ToTheNines Col. Stinkmeaner Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 19,358	Mikey. Dark Mike was so cool in Deviations.

08-22-2016, 07:51 PM	#7
Avenger Thug Join Date: Feb 2016 Location: Matane, Quebec Posts: 62	I think a good question would be "Why this character turns bad?" It's easy to use the mind control/brainwash/brain swap excuse. Finding a good reason for Casey/April/Splinter/Turtles to turn bad "for real" is harder. a death could be a good trigger. Remember when Flash dies in Justice League Animated Serie and then all Justice League turn bad? They could do the same with Michealangelo. Or we could use the Leo/Raph rivality, and then for some reason Raph crosses the line and do something terrible. Of all the seven main good guys, Raphael would be the easiest to turn bad, because of his anger problem. Or, we could learn after all these years than Splinter was a double agent from Hydra. It's easier to imagine all four turtles turning bad together for some reason (April dies and they turn again humanity) then having one turning on his brothers.

08-24-2016, 05:33 PM	#11
Chris Mad Scientist Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: UK Posts: 1,898	Not sure why but I think Don going bad could be interesting (maybe be as of Lexington in the Future Tense episode of Gargoyles).

08-25-2016, 07:07 PM	#12
~~SurrealBrain~~ Banned Join Date: Aug 2016 Location: Michigan Posts: 18	Hamato Yoshi. Turns out he faked his death the whole time, and he was the Shredder/Oroku Saki's right hand man from the very beginning. Splinter would have a very hard time believing this, that's for sure. It could lead to have conflicting loyalty; hisbold master, or the friends and family he's met since leaving him? Contrived? Yes.