Did people not like the change?

[Coola Yagami]

Another thing... Red Sky was just... so-so. Didn't like the mutations and how they forced Carter into it. Maybe if he was a recurring character but not full time cast member. Don't like that all the other villains were gone. Dregg might have been more tolerable if we had a break and had Baxter, Slash and Leatherhead once in a while.

The deal was, maybe they had a limited budget or maybe they were so used to slapstick that they didn't know how to choreograph an actual fight scene... but the show could have used actual action, especially if they wanted to compete with Batman's fist fights. Even though there were less jokes and less stupid plots, the show was still full of laser guns and big cartoony goofy-ass monsters. And all Raph would do was just toss his sais. Like... that's ALL. HE. WOULD. EVER. DO.

I think if they wanted to breathe new life into it, an actual good sword fight with Shredder that would look like he actually wanted to kill them would have done wonders for the show. And you're gonna show clips of the live action movie in the theme song and still rely on half-assed fighting in the actual show? C'mon....

[ABrown]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

Fun fact: The 2k3 series came out when I was 17. And as a 17 year old that series also gave me exactly what I wanted at that age.

Interesting. I would've thought that "exactly what 17 year old you wanted" would've been Ashley Scott as Huntress on Birds of Prey.

Originally Posted by ToTheNines

Gotta say... not that fun of a fact.

Ha. Sounds like Penny's reaction to one of Sheldon's fun facts.

[Yabuturtle]

Originally Posted by Coola Yagami

Another thing... Red Sky was just... so-so. Didn't like the mutations and how they forced Carter into it. Maybe if he was a recurring character but not full time cast member. Don't like that all the other villains were gone. Dregg might have been more tolerable if we had a break and had Baxter, Slash and Leatherhead once in a while.

The deal was, maybe they had a limited budget or maybe they were so used to slapstick that they didn't know how to choreograph an actual fight scene... but the show could have used actual action, especially if they wanted to compete with Batman's fist fights. Even though there were less jokes and less stupid plots, the show was still full of laser guns and big cartoony goofy-ass monsters. And all Raph would do was just toss his sais. Like... that's ALL. HE. WOULD. EVER. DO.

I think if they wanted to breathe new life into it, an actual good sword fight with Shredder that would look like he actually wanted to kill them would have done wonders for the show. And you're gonna show clips of the live action movie in the theme song and still rely on half-assed fighting in the actual show? C'mon....

I don't mind new characters showing up as long as they are good. Casey Jones was a riot and was entertaining but he did not have much of a personality in the 80s cartoon. Carter started off with someone who wanted to learn more, techniques and sciences and so forth. It took him a while to adjust, since he was more reckless and his mutated form started getting out of hand at first but eventually he could control it. And he would debate on whether he should cure his mutation or not. They did have sword fights. Even in the first episode it showed Leo and Shredder dueling a couple times.

Raph would use his sais if he was up against robots, but he tossed his sais around anyway pre red sky and post redy sky.

Some say Dregg was good but should not have been the main villain. Even though I think Dregg was a great villain and the only villain to convince the people of Earth that he was a good guy. I do think there should have been a more climatic fight with Shredder and Krang instead of just dumping them into Dimension X again.

Krang should have brought his robot body. They never once explained what happened to it. We knew it was working in Shredder Triumphant and they he just used his bubble walker for the rest of the show. I know his robot body was somewhat damaged, but after he got Beserko's resources he should have been able to repair it a little. We could have seen some fight scenes with Krang and his android body.

[Coola Yagami]

Originally Posted by Yabuturtle

They did have sword fights. Even in the first episode it showed Leo and Shredder dueling a couple times..

Yeah but I mean like... a good sword fight. Like I said they were trying to compete with batman the animated series. They really needed to step up their game in the fighting department.

[Yabuturtle]

Originally Posted by Coola Yagami

Yeah but I mean like... a good sword fight. Like I said they were trying to compete with batman the animated series. They really needed to step up their game in the fighting department.

Well Batman was well animated so the fights would look more impressive. Same with Gargoyles. I do kind of wonder why the animation on TMNT wasn't as good, even though at the time they were everywhere and were more popular than Batman and Gargoyles.

[CyberCubed]

Originally Posted by ABrown

Interesting. I would've thought that "exactly what 17 year old you wanted" would've been Ashley Scott as Huntress on Birds of Prey. .

When I was 17 years old, Saturday morning cartoons were my top priority.

[nellyp]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

When I was 17 years old, Saturday morning cartoons were my top priority.

I am not sure if this explains a lot or just raises further questions...better we don't tumble down this rabbit hole though I think.

[Utrommaniac]

I was still enjoying cartoons when I was 17. Granted, they were all things I missed growing up and I was finally able to see them on the internet. And...that's pretty much the only place I ever watched them.

[CyberCubed]

Originally Posted by nellyp

I am not sure if this explains a lot or just raises further questions...better we don't tumble down this rabbit hole though I think.

I spent my entire 20's watching cartoons and playing videogames too. I wonder if my 30's will be the same, so far its not much different.

[sdp]

By the time of the red sky season the turtles were pretty much dead, it's not that the Red Sky season wasn't liked, it was the turtles in general people were tired of. Another season like the previous ones would've been as much if not more of a ratings killer than Red Sky. All shows that change the formula is for this reason and many blame the show failing on that but it's more of a reaction to seeing a show die and trying to help it.

Same with 4Kids, the show was failing so Playmates who was the only one doing decent got more say in what they wanted, it's not that they killed it, in fact after the 2007 movie the ratings picked up during Fast Forward so while it's not liked it helped the show. Problem is they took too long for the next season and the 2007 movie cash-in was long gone when BTTS aired so it was sent to die.

Watching Red Sky for the first time (as an adult though I did watch a few as a teen when the first season came out on DVD that had a few red sky episodes), it really depends on the season, one of them (I think the first Dregg season) is really boring, the last season is more exciting, and the last season before Dregg which is also a "red sky" season is average, it tries to be "moody" and grim like other shows at the time but it's dull. I'm ok with the change though, they got plenty of "original" episodes so trying something new was fine.

As far as 2k3, I remember really liking FF's first "half season" but I wasn't a regular viewer of the show so the change wasn't as drastic, I had only seen most of S4 and a little of the others. The second time I watched FF I found it terrible but maybe it doesn't do as well after watching all those great prior seasons. I remember thinking BBTS was fine but that isn't a popular opinion.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Originally Posted by ToTheNines

Red Sky was a pitiful, blatant attempt to be Timm's Batman.

Ninja Tribunal, FF, BTTS and the Nick space arc were all done at the behest of Playmates because merch.

Yep, that's how I see it.

[sdp]

I stopped liking cartoons around 13 or so but around 17 I started to like cartoons again because of Teen Titans and I thought I only liked that show since it mixed action with comedy, little did I know it spiraled into me becoming a big fan of animation. It definitely died down again around the time I was 24 though but even if I don't watch as many cartoons now I still watch them, I'm just more of a "I'll watch what I like" instead of only liking animated shows.

Definitely never a priority but when I got back to cartoons I did make the effort to wake up on Saturdays to catch the SatAM blocks, however since I was out till late at night on Friday it was often difficult

[Wildcat]

I don't remember the Red Sky change and don't have all of the OT DVDs so I can't comment on that.

My problem with FF/BttS was that now super futuristic technology was a thing. Especially going back to current day New York. It brings in too many what-if, why-not and paradox scenarios.

Being of lighter tone isn't so bad but for me having a huge shift in general life turned it too much into a sci-fi, space age cartoon.

Nick Space arc was fine because it didn't alter their normal life. Super technology didn't takeover the focus.

[CyberCubed]

Threads like this always make me wonder if people don't get what TMNT is about. TMNT is not just the Turtles in New York facing Shredder/the Foot 90% of the time.

The Turtles can go into the future, into space, go outside of New York to Northampton, Europe, Asia, etc....and its all fine. You can do anything with TMNT.

[Wildcat]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

Threads like this always make me wonder if people don't get what TMNT is about. TMNT is not just the Turtles in New York facing Shredder/the Foot 90% of the time.

The Turtles can go into the future, into space, go outside of New York to Northampton, Europe, Asia, etc....and its all fine. You can do anything with TMNT.

I never said I was against other things. I said I didn't like the shift in focus to space age technology.

FF/BttS was a space age cartoon with the Turtles. That's exactly what it was once they travelled to the future and back. If it had just been a special arc it wouldn't have bothered me.

[Wesley]

It's an interesting contrast reflecting their eras how the 1987 cartoon went from being lighthearted to somewhat serious and the 2003 cartoon went from being serious to somewhat lighthearted.

I liked the Red Sky seasons, though I think maybe they should have been a separate entity to the earlier, goofier seasons due to the drastic change in tone. My signature quote is taken from one of the episodes.

I've only watched some episodes of Fast Forward, but I didn't care much for it. The change in tone was too drastic for my tastes. It was still fun to watch, though.

I watched Back to the Sewers and thought it was decent, better than Fast Forward anyway.

[The-Shredder]

Originally Posted by Ninjinister

The damnable thing is that these massive change seasons were to sell toys that never existed.

Red Sky? None of the major (or any?) characters received figures
Lost Season? Nothing outside of the Mystic Turtles, which actually came out closer to their appearance in Mutant Nightmare.
Fast Forward? This one came the furthest... only about half of the planned figures got cut.
Back to the Sewer? Nothing again.

Actually, NKOK did release several RC toys based on Back to the Sewer. I have a Leonardo ATV Rider, and it comes with a cool backdrop of cyberspace from the show. However, the build quality isn't very good, but I consider it to be a nice novelty from when the 4Kids show was coming to an end.

[snake]

Originally Posted by Ninjinister

The damnable thing is that these massive change seasons were to sell toys that never existed.

Red Sky? None of the major (or any?) characters received figures
Lost Season? Nothing outside of the Mystic Turtles, which actually came out closer to their appearance in Mutant Nightmare.
Fast Forward? This one came the furthest... only about half of the planned figures got cut.
Back to the Sewer? Nothing again.

At least Fast Forward's second half of figs, and Back to the Sewer had stuff publicly shown, though. Red Sky and Lost Season didn't have shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiznit.

I feel you. I wish people would research if the thing they're claiming "only existed to sell toys" actually had toys made.

Idiots saying that Darth Maul in Clone Wars was a huge toy commercial when he got ONE figure in a target exclusive multipack

[Powder]

Originally Posted by The-Shredder

Actually, NKOK did release several RC toys based on Back to the Sewer. I have a Leonardo ATV Rider, and it comes with a cool backdrop of cyberspace from the show. However, the build quality isn't very good, but I consider it to be a nice novelty from when the 4Kids show was coming to an end.

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon....1jCBhoZTuL.jpg

http://thumbs.ebaystatic.com/images/...sQX/s-l225.jpg

It may be branded BTTS but it's obviously a TMNT sculpt. Doesn't count.

Aaand if anyone wants that, I have one for sale.

[oldmanwinters]

Folks 'round these forums were giddy as a schoolgirl when we finally got the Ninja Tribunal season, presented by 4Kids as a "Lost Episodes" feature. For fans who disliked the Fast Forward season, it was expected to be a return to form to designs and storylines fans had invested in through the first four seasons.

Now at the end of the day, I thought it was mostly all-together terrible, but that's just me.