Shredder Recast: Any In-Universe Explanation?

WebLurker · 09-21-2016, 08:55 PM

In Out of the Shadows, they had a new actor playing Shredder, who looked nothing like the original one (who seemed to be taking his cues from the Nick Shredder). Was there ever an in-universe explanation for his drastic change, or was it supposed to be something we ignored?

*snake* · 09-21-2016, 08:58 PM

Much like this entire incarnation, it should just be ignored

*wpugh2424* · 09-21-2016, 09:04 PM

Just rewatched
While there are many things I dislike, I think as a whole it's not bad
Pretty funny

*Powder* · 09-21-2016, 09:23 PM

No explanation whatsoever. As was the case for many other plotholes & stuff.

*Panda_Kahn_fan* · 09-21-2016, 09:56 PM

No official explanation, but a fan theory is the mutagen seeped through his gloves, and rejuvenated him into a more youthful state after the skyscraper fall.

*IndigoErth* · 09-21-2016, 10:24 PM

Nope, not a hint to explain anything in the film. While I like him as Shredder, I don't really get the point of bothering to recast both he and Karai if they were hardly going to use them anyhow.

Even if the film had tried to pass it off as the mutagen rejuvenating theory, how do they explain Karai. o.O

*Panda_Kahn_fan* · 09-21-2016, 10:26 PM

Plastic surgery to not get arrested like shredder was? She was unmasked during the subway hostage crisis, and could be recognized and arrested.

*FredWolfLeonardo* · 09-21-2016, 10:35 PM

I was cool with Shredder being recast, I think it should've been him from the first movie, but I thought re-casting Karai was pointless, I liked her better in the first movie.

As for the explanation, I guess the mutagen helped him, but that didn't matter much to me. I really enjoyed the movie, better than the first definetly. Bebop and Rocksteady were the best, my man!

WebLurker · 09-21-2016, 11:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Panda_Kahn_fan

No official explanation, but a fan theory is the mutagen seeped through his gloves, and rejuvenated him into a more youthful state after the skyscraper fall.

That was actually my assumption. I was curious if there were other ideas out there, esp. since the filmmakers have been silent on the subject, as far as I know.

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Originally Posted by IndigoErth

Nope, not a hint to explain anything in the film. While I like him as Shredder, I don't really get the point of bothering to recast both he and Karai if they were hardly going to use them anyhow.

Even if the film had tried to pass it off as the mutagen rejuvenating theory, how do they explain Karai. o.O

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Originally Posted by Panda_Kahn_fan

Plastic surgery to not get arrested like shredder was? She was unmasked during the subway hostage crisis, and could be recognized and arrested.

Although you can tell that different actresses played the character, they looked close enough that I don't see a "need" to explain it. The fact that Karai dresses in an utilitarian style in the first movie but is more dolled up in the second one also helps disguise the differences as makeup and clothing details.

(Another possibility is that the Foot Clan had two people named Karai as members. Movie one Karai could've been killed when Raph smashed into her jeep during the snow chase (we don't see her after she ducks inside and the jeep takes quite a beating afterwards), and movie two Karai then wound up where she was in movie two.)

*Andrew NDB* · 09-21-2016, 11:37 PM

I think what happened was that, the 11th hour reshoot guy who played him in the first one was decided to be too old by the brilliant powers that be when it came time for a part 2 for toddlers and the Fred Wolf whack pack. As such, they also had to recast Karai a little younger than the now-younger Saki because she's still presumably supposed to be his daughter.

None of this makes a lick of a sense at all if the Fichtner character was raised as Saki's son, as the first movie told us.

A simple, dumb line inserted about "the mutagen healed me... it gave me back many years" would at least show some effort to reconcile the recasting with everything, and then they wouldn't even have to recast Karai.

But just dumb, dumb, dumb decisions all around by people that don't even care. Even now, they probably don't care. "I got paid, yo." It's not even worth seriously discussing.

*Katie* · 09-26-2016, 09:32 PM

Same in universe explanation as the re-casting of April in the second and third movie

....and changing Donatello's voice...

*myconius* · 09-26-2016, 10:19 PM

maybe the original actor from the first movie saw his CGI counterpart was easily taken out by Megan O'Neil and decided to commit seppuku?

*Jephael* · 09-27-2016, 02:06 AM

Maybe the actor from the first film has been to this forum and saw what a bunch of bung-holes some of us fans are.

*TheSkeletonMan939* · 09-27-2016, 09:05 AM

I don't get why people wonder if there's an "in-universe" reason why an actor changed. Do people wonder what the "in-universe" reason is for why Steve Ditko Spidey looks different from Gil Kane Spidey?

*Andrew NDB* · 09-27-2016, 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by TheSkeletonMan939

I don't get why people wonder if there's an "in-universe" reason why an actor changed.

Well, it's a bit different here when the new actor is noticeably younger, not bald and not scarred up like this:

to this:

*IndigoErth* · 09-27-2016, 11:14 AM

I don't understand why these writers are incapable of seeing the small, simple solutions that would just smooth it over and leave it at that. New Shredder is Saki, previous guy was his now injured or deceased father. There. Easy. He even gets a motive against the Turtles. Would take just a couple seconds of dialogue to point out then move on and the recast no longer matters.

I guess when you exist in Bay World you can only mostly just see BIG and BIGGER things and the little stuff gets too confusing and lost or disregarded as being little and therefore unimportant.

I don't know how they manged to keep the moderately subtle underlying tension between the Turtles going for a bit.

*ToTheNines* · 09-27-2016, 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Jephael

Maybe the actor from the first film has been to this forum and saw what a bunch of bung-holes some of us fans are.

Maybe you creeped on his girlfriend, and that's why.

*Andrew NDB* · 09-27-2016, 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by ToTheNines

Maybe you creeped on his girlfriend, and that's why.

I'm going with that.

Filespit · 09-27-2016, 03:05 PM

They recast him because they messed everything up in the first place, and when they finally realized what a mess they'd made they recast some characters and tried to ignore the first mess up by making a sequel that has almost no connection to the first movie but is still considered a sequel. There is no in-universe, it's all just a big pile of bad decisions.

*CyberCubed* · 09-27-2016, 04:47 PM

Why is this a big deal? They recast what's her name between Batman Begins and Batman: The Dark Knight Rises.

She was Katie Holmes in the first movie and then the other actress in the second. Nobody cared or called it a plot hole.

09-21-2016, 08:55 PM	#1
WebLurker Hench Mutant Join Date: Aug 2016 Posts: 360	Shredder Recast: Any In-Universe Explanation? In Out of the Shadows, they had a new actor playing Shredder, who looked nothing like the original one (who seemed to be taking his cues from the Nick Shredder). Was there ever an in-universe explanation for his drastic change, or was it supposed to be something we ignored?

09-21-2016, 09:04 PM	#3
wpugh2424 Mad Scientist Join Date: Dec 2015 Location: Triceraton Republic Posts: 1,525	Just rewatched While there are many things I dislike, I think as a whole it's not bad Pretty funny __________________ "Go! Move it, will ya? Aw, you're letting him blow right by ya! Can you believe this guy? Come on! Don't just...! Ninja-kick the damn rabbit! Do something!" Last edited by wpugh2424; 09-21-2016 at 09:32 PM.

09-21-2016, 09:56 PM	#5
Panda_Kahn_fan Mad Scientist Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 1,715	No official explanation, but a fan theory is the mutagen seeped through his gloves, and rejuvenated him into a more youthful state after the skyscraper fall. __________________ My TMNT fanfic: https://www.fanfiction.net/s/1266176...n-a-Half-Shell IDW is the best version of TMNT If they make a TMNT reboot movie retelling the shredder battle/origin, I won't buy a ticket.

09-21-2016, 10:26 PM	#7
Panda_Kahn_fan Mad Scientist Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 1,715	Plastic surgery to not get arrested like shredder was? She was unmasked during the subway hostage crisis, and could be recognized and arrested. __________________ My TMNT fanfic: https://www.fanfiction.net/s/1266176...n-a-Half-Shell IDW is the best version of TMNT If they make a TMNT reboot movie retelling the shredder battle/origin, I won't buy a ticket.

09-21-2016, 11:37 PM	#10
Andrew NDB Weed Whacker Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Auburn, WA Posts: 34,574	I think what happened was that, the 11th hour reshoot guy who played him in the first one was decided to be too old by the brilliant powers that be when it came time for a part 2 for toddlers and the Fred Wolf whack pack. As such, they also had to recast Karai a little younger than the now-younger Saki because she's still presumably supposed to be his daughter. None of this makes a lick of a sense at all if the Fichtner character was raised as Saki's son, as the first movie told us. A simple, dumb line inserted about "the mutagen healed me... it gave me back many years" would at least show some effort to reconcile the recasting with everything, and then they wouldn't even have to recast Karai. But just dumb, dumb, dumb decisions all around by people that don't even care. Even now, they probably don't care. "I got paid, yo." It's not even worth seriously discussing. __________________ [ ODYSSEY \| ORIGIN \| THE IMAGE/VOL. 3 CONCLUSION \| THE SHELLSHOCKED PODCAST \| ON FACEBOOK ] Last edited by Andrew NDB; 09-21-2016 at 11:49 PM.

09-21-2016, 08:58 PM	#2
snake Disgusting Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Outer Heaven Posts: 12,231	Much like this entire incarnation, it should just be ignored

09-21-2016, 09:23 PM	#4
Powder 40 Years of TMNT Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Shell-Ri-La Posts: 26,956	No explanation whatsoever. As was the case for many other plotholes & stuff.

09-21-2016, 10:24 PM	#6
IndigoErth Team Blue Boy Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: U.S., East Coast Posts: 16,296	Nope, not a hint to explain anything in the film. While I like him as Shredder, I don't really get the point of bothering to recast both he and Karai if they were hardly going to use them anyhow. Even if the film had tried to pass it off as the mutagen rejuvenating theory, how do they explain Karai. o.O

09-21-2016, 10:35 PM	#8
FredWolfLeonardo This ***** used to be Fun Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: Woke paradise Posts: 5,389	I was cool with Shredder being recast, I think it should've been him from the first movie, but I thought re-casting Karai was pointless, I liked her better in the first movie. As for the explanation, I guess the mutagen helped him, but that didn't matter much to me. I really enjoyed the movie, better than the first definetly. Bebop and Rocksteady were the best, my man!

09-26-2016, 09:32 PM	#11
Katie Just...way too serious. Join Date: May 2005 Location: purgatory Posts: 3,519	Same in universe explanation as the re-casting of April in the second and third movie ....and changing Donatello's voice... __________________ THE WORLD IS JUST AWESOME

09-26-2016, 10:19 PM	#12
myconius Abby Normal Join Date: Sep 2015 Location: the grave marked "Unknown" right beside Arch Stanton. Posts: 2,857	maybe the original actor from the first movie saw his CGI counterpart was easily taken out by Megan O'Neil and decided to commit seppuku? __________________

09-27-2016, 02:06 AM	#13
Jephael That whack job behind you Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Carlisle, Pennsylvania Posts: 8,143	Maybe the actor from the first film has been to this forum and saw what a bunch of bung-holes some of us fans are. __________________ "I like it. Simple, but effective!" Raphael; The Mean Machines - 1988

09-27-2016, 09:05 AM	#14
TheSkeletonMan939 A New Day, A New Headache Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Over there Posts: 3,963	I don't get why people wonder if there's an "in-universe" reason why an actor changed. Do people wonder what the "in-universe" reason is for why Steve Ditko Spidey looks different from Gil Kane Spidey?

09-27-2016, 11:14 AM	#16
IndigoErth Team Blue Boy Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: U.S., East Coast Posts: 16,296	I don't understand why these writers are incapable of seeing the small, simple solutions that would just smooth it over and leave it at that. New Shredder is Saki, previous guy was his now injured or deceased father. There. Easy. He even gets a motive against the Turtles. Would take just a couple seconds of dialogue to point out then move on and the recast no longer matters. I guess when you exist in Bay World you can only mostly just see BIG and BIGGER things and the little stuff gets too confusing and lost or disregarded as being little and therefore unimportant. I don't know how they manged to keep the moderately subtle underlying tension between the Turtles going for a bit.

09-27-2016, 03:05 PM	#19
Filespit Hench Mutant Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Sweden Posts: 424	They recast him because they messed everything up in the first place, and when they finally realized what a mess they'd made they recast some characters and tried to ignore the first mess up by making a sequel that has almost no connection to the first movie but is still considered a sequel. There is no in-universe, it's all just a big pile of bad decisions.

09-27-2016, 04:47 PM	#20
CyberCubed Overlord Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 43,888	Why is this a big deal? They recast what's her name between Batman Begins and Batman: The Dark Knight Rises. She was Katie Holmes in the first movie and then the other actress in the second. Nobody cared or called it a plot hole.