Cylons Rethinks Fox-Men

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

I'm trying to clear space on the ol' DVD shelf and I'm really trying to decide on the X-Men film series.

Logan is the hero:
X1, X2, X3, WolvXO, TheWolv, DoFP

Magneto is the villain:
X1, X2, X3, FC, DoFP, X-A

Cyclops is a sidelined pushover or douche:
X1, X2, X3, X-A

ProfX is incapacitated or beaten:
X1, X2, X3, DoFP, X-A

Storm sucks:
X1, X2, X3, DoFP, X-A

Underpowered Rogue:
X1, X2, X3, DoFP

Overimportant Mystique:
DoFP, X-A

The Many Faces of William Stryker:
X2, WolvXO, DoFP, X-A

Each of those is something I have problems with. And I'm definitely seeing the original trilogy on my list of complaints way too many times. I can't watch any of them without fast-forwarding half the movie.

Thinking of new movies coming out for it, I'm not at all excited for either Logan or Gambit. And I was thoroughly bored by Deadpool. I finally picked up Apocalypse from the library, hopefully will watch it sometime this week... thoughts on that to follow.

Maybe I should slim my collection down to First Class, Origins*, and maaaaaaaaybe Days of Future Past?

* Say what you will, I loved Sabretooth and Wolverine in this. They were great.

[plastroncafe]

Liev Schreiber is the best Sabretooth.
That was just some inspired casting on their part, and it's a shame that couldn't have been a better movie.

Actually, I kind of feel that way about most of the overall casting.
The casting people did their jobs.

[TheSkeletonMan939]

DoFP is largely modern blockbuster schlock but has its moments (the Quicksilver scene, of course!)
And I kinda like The Wolverine. At least the first half or so.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Originally Posted by TheSkeletonMan939

DoFP is largely modern blockbuster schlock but has its moments (the Quicksilver scene, of course!)
And I kinda like The Wolverine. At least the first half or so.

Yeah, for me, the difference between Wolverine Origins and The Wolverine is that Origins maintains the same level of quality throughout (weak though it may be) whereas The Wolverine starts great and then just dives off a cliff 2/3 through. I'd rather have consistency than a hard left turn into a concrete wall.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy

Magneto is the villain:
X1, X3, FC, DoFP, X-A

How is Magneto not the villain of X2?

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

How is Magneto not the villain of X2?

I wanted to list him, but you have to admit that Stryker takes precedence. But by that logic, Apocalypse is the villain of X-A...

Will amend that!

[Andrew NDB]

I'd also say there is "Overimportant Mystique" in FC, too, but at least FC has the important distinction of not being a horrible movie. So it doesn't really bother me.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

I'd also say there is "Overimportant Mystique" in FC, too, but at least FC has the important distinction of not being a horrible movie. So it doesn't really bother me.

But she wasn't over-important. Her role was quite different from the comics, but she wasn't monopolizing screentime like in the next two entries. If Fox hadn't caught "Hunger Games fever" and left her screentime pretty much where it was for future movies, it would have been just fine.

And yeah, First Class is still the best X movie. Because of Matthew Vaughn.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy

I wanted to list him, but you have to admit that Stryker takes precedence.

I dunno... seemed like Stryker was just a placeholder, a red herring until Magneto came front and center with the diabolical Cerebro human zapper plot.

And yeah, First Class is still the best X movie. Because of Matthew Vaughn.

Agreed. And even the music score was way better and more memorable.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

I dunno... seemed like Stryker was just a placeholder, a red herring until Magneto came front and center with the diabolical Cerebro human zapper plot.

Agreed. And even the music score was way better and more memorable.

Oh, that's right. Magneto reversed Cerebro to kill all humans instead of all mutants. I forgot about that bit. Because I can't watch the movie in its entirety. Because it, like all of the others, SUCKS.

Seriously, how did Fox ever let Singer come back after First Class? First Class was a totally fresh and clean blank slate, and then...

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy

Oh, that's right. Magneto reversed Cerebro to kill all humans instead of all mutants. I forgot about that bit. Because I can't watch the movie in its entirety. Because it, like all of the others, SUCKS.

X2 is dreadfully boring. I honestly don't know how people can hold it up as this kind of pinnacle of the CBM when it's anything but. At least X1 has a fairly tight narrative and doesn't beat around the bush. Gun to my head, I don't really enjoy any of them but I'd probably rather watch X3 than X2.

Seriously, how did Fox ever let Singer come back after First Class? First Class was a totally fresh and clean blank slate, and then...

Singer has a pretty famous history of being rewarded for failures.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

X2 is dreadfully boring. I honestly don't know how people can hold it up as this kind of pinnacle of the CBM when it's anything but. At least X1 has a fairly tight narrative and doesn't beat around the bush. Gun to my head, I don't really enjoy any of them but I'd probably rather watch X3 than X2.



Singer has a pretty famous history of being rewarded for failures.

I'll watch X2 before X1 or X3, just because Brian Cox is so damn good. It was the first and best Stryker, before Fox decided to keep recasting that character and keep using him. Over and over and over again.

Was he in X-A? He had to have been in X-A.

[TheSkeletonMan939]

Yeah, but don't expect them to follow up on the DoFP ending where Mystique poses as him.
I remember liking X2 but I rewatched it a few years ago and realized that all I liked was the music. A lot of other aspects of the film fall flat - except for the X-Mansion attack, although that SHOULD have been cooler.

[Autbot_Benz]

I just find it funny it took till Deadpool for us to finally get an accurate RUSSIAN colossus . Seriously Singer colossus is not American

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Originally Posted by TheSkeletonMan939

Yeah, but don't expect them to follow up on the DoFP ending where Mystique poses as him.
I remember liking X2 but I rewatched it a few years ago and realized that all I liked was the music. A lot of other aspects of the film fall flat - except for the X-Mansion attack, although that SHOULD have been cooler.

Yeah, each sequel to First Class takes a hard left turn from where the ending leaves us.

Assembling the X-Men and becoming Professor X? NOPE! Gonna take drugs to walk, everybody DEAD, and Hank didn't join Blue Man Group. And we never got to see Kennedy die.

Seeing Wolverine take a new direction thanks to Mystique? NOPE! Somehow someway he's in Weapon X again... breaks out... Phoenix, Mystique, yadda yadda... oh, and Moira's back.

Originally Posted by Autbot_Benz

I just find it funny it took till Deadpool for us to finally get an accurate RUSSIAN colossus . Seriously Singer colossus is not American

Ugh. Colossus was good. Negasonic was good. Deadpool was... tiresome. Too much. And the story was thinner than any previous entry. F-bombs and fourth wall breaking only entertain me for about twenty minutes. After that, I expect an actual story.

Maybe with Deadpool 2, with Cable...

[plastroncafe]

Bah, with the exception of there being no payoff for "International Women's Day" Deadpool was a great flick.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy

Colossus was good.

I thought Colossus was physically perfect but... they know he can turn off and on his Colossus skin, right? I know it's funny to see him eating cereal in metal skin mode, but why would he do that?

[plastroncafe]

Because Awesome!
And because it was easier than finding a guy who actually looks like that AND can act.