Is Mondo Gecko unnecessary?

[CyberCubed]

Originally Posted by Coola Yagami

Bebop and Rocksteady were cool, but they really didn't need to be here, especially with Tigerclaw. It's the writers' own fault they nerfed Chris and Xever so badly. I mean why even bother with the double mutation if Rahzar was gonna be such a punk?

Rahzar was quite strong for a while before he started to become fodder. And Bebop/Rocksteady were a much needed breath of fresh air, I don't want to see Rahzar/Fishface beaten over and over. They were already becoming fodder even before Bebop/Rocksteady showed up.

And Hun... I kinda felt they wanted a Bruce Lee character but decided to slap the name Hun on him to shut up the 2K3 fans that were complaining that the show was mostly focused on the 80s version and nothing else.

Likewise Bishop. Slap some shades on a Kraang, call him Bishop and call it a day.

I'll give you Hun, but Bishop is pretty true to his design. All you need is a guy in a suit with glasses. Him being an Utrom is a clever twist and I consider it a homage to Shredder being an Utrom in 2k3.

Either way, Mondo Gecko deserved better, especially since he was more formidable in other versions.

Yes, because Mondo's grand total of 2 episodes in the OT and being in the background for most of Archie's run after his initial issue and then being killed off was "so much formidable."

[PApagreg]

Originally Posted by WebLurker

Don't think so. A clone is a different person from the donor of the DNA. (Case in point, identical twins are naturally created clones, but are their own distinct person.

Well a clone isn't really a different person and the difference between an actually twin and a clone in this case was made by the original(also my statement was more of a joke

Originally Posted by WebLurker

I'm not sure any of them are that big a name (certainly nowhere near Krang, Bebop, Rocksteady, Karai, Baxter Stockman, etc.). On top of that, Hun has made several appearances to date. Finally, neither of them are a Green Goblin-level TMNT character in the first place.

Speaking of Spider-Man, Spider-Man and His Amazing Friends, as I recall, only had one Green Goblin episode, so it can be done. Also, he has appeared sparingly in other series and versions as well.

I say Hun is in the same level as B&R sure he hasn't had the movie appearance in OOTS but he has been in a few pieces of media also I will give you the SAHF.

Originally Posted by WebLurker

The Nick show does have its own big players, so it can't give every single character ever created a big role. On top of that, like any adaptation, it's going to focus on some stuff and less on others (like how 2k3 went heavy on the supernatural, while Nick has done more with sci-fi). You have to take things in the context of what works for the specific adaptation.

Never said the Nick show didn't have any big players.

Originally Posted by WebLurker

For example, Spider-Man 3 gets a lot of flack for how it presented Gwen Stacy in a minor role, despite the fact that in this specific film series, presenting her in her classic role as Spider-Man's first serious girlfriend wouldn't work, since Mary Jane was already slotted in there, and had in fact taken on several of comic Gwen's traits and story beats already. The original Gwen story wasn't the story that the movies were being told, so they put her in a way that would fit this story. (In fact, Gwen was originally going to be a brand-new character. She was made Gwen to make her a familiar face to fans.

Well thats the thing Spiderman 3 should've just made their own character instead of giving us Gwen Stacy lite, call he Carol or something because you are better off giving us an original character

Originally Posted by WebLurker

So, my opinion boils down to the suggestions that A.) Bishop and Hun are C-level TMNT characters, not A or B ones, B.) they've been used as much as they're needed for this specific adaptation of TMNT, and C.) basing them off preexisting characters made them more important to the audience than just making up new ones.

A) I consider Hun to be more of a B list character imo B.) They appeared in at most 7 episodes like I said you are better of naming the Hun guy Khan or something or give a different name to the Bishop character C) Thats being emotional manipulative which in turn makes the people who are fans of these characters annoyed like I said they would be much better off making new characters

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

Rahzar was quite strong for a while before he started to become fodder. And Bebop/Rocksteady were a much needed breath of fresh air, I don't want to see Rahzar/Fishface beaten over and over. They were already becoming fodder even before Bebop/Rocksteady showed up.

Then have them stronger or make them splinter off from Shredder, you can do so much with Bradford and Xever but the writers kinda wasted them

[Coola Yagami]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

Yes, because Mondo's grand total of 2 episodes in the OT and being in the background for most of Archie's run after his initial issue and then being killed off was "so much formidable."

So much more formidable than what we see here. I don't remember seeing him being a wimp that only gets in the way in those other versions. And you can't blame him for getting killed off since they killed off all the mutanimals including classic character leatherhead.

[Coola Yagami]

Originally Posted by PApagreg

Then have them stronger or make them splinter off from Shredder, you can do so much with Bradford and Xever but the writers kinda wasted them

Exactly. What was the point of Rahzar if he was gonna suck two eps later (Eps he's in, that is)? They threw in Tiger claw, they could have made more mutants, no real need for B+R. Again, I like these versions and they're a fresh take, but the show wouldn't have suffered had they not been introduced.

[CyberCubed]

Originally Posted by Coola Yagami

So much more formidable than what we see here. I don't remember seeing him being a wimp that only gets in the way in those other versions. And you can't blame him for getting killed off since they killed off all the mutanimals including classic character leatherhead.

The point is Mondo Gecko has never been a major character. You seem to be wearing rose-tinted nostalgia glasses.

I just re-read the entire Archie run earlier this year. After Mondo's initial debut issue and his brief stint with Raph when they went to Malinga's ship, he barely does anything while he's with the Mutanimals....then he gets killed off. And his only other incarnation was 2 episodes in the OT.

He's essentially a toy character and that's all he ever was.

[Technogeek29]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

The point is Mondo Gecko has never been a major character. You seem to be wearing rose-tinted nostalgia glasses.

I just re-read the entire Archie run earlier this year. After Mondo's initial debut issue and his brief stint with Raph when they went to Malinga's ship, he barely does anything while he's with the Mutanimals....then he gets killed off. And his only other incarnation was 2 episodes in the OT.

He's essentially a toy character and that's all he ever was.

Mondo in IDW seems to be a bit of a Petrohead able to camouflage, fights in a Capoeira style and isn't above playing dirty. Far more is done with the character there.

[CyberCubed]

Originally Posted by Technogeek29

Mondo in IDW seems to be a bit of a Petrohead able to camouflage, fights in a Capoeira style and isn't above playing dirty. Far more is done with the character there.

He is handled well in IDW so far, but still a third-tier character overall.

[Jephael]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

He is handled well in IDW so far, but still a third-tier character overall.

Who died and made you judge and jury in regards to popularity of fictional characters? Mondo Gecko is just as beloved as Michelangelo himself, and those of us who enjoyed his depiction in the Archie comics are within our rights to say how we feel about this version of him. Just because you put the Nickelodeon cartoon on a pedestal it doesn't mean the rest of us have to!!! The show has its flaws, especially when it comes to certain characters' personalities.

[CyberCubed]

Originally Posted by Jephael

Who died and made you judge and jury in regards to popularity of fictional characters? Mondo Gecko is just as beloved as Michelangelo himself, .

LOL, there is no way in hell this is true and you can't even think this.

Michelangelo, one of the main characters of the series and in every incarnation, and you're saying Mondo Gecko, a mutant friend who only has very small amount of appearances in every incarnation, was completely gone from 1993-2014 before he was revived by IDW, and is a third tier that most people won't think of as anything more than a toy, and you're saying he's as popular as a Turtle himself?

Leatherhead is the most popular mutant ally of the Turtles, being that he's the most exposed in every incarnation.

[Jephael]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

LOL, there is no way in hell this is true and you can't even think this.

Michelangelo, one of the main characters of the series and in every incarnation, and you're saying Mondo Gecko, a mutant friend who only has very small amount of appearances in every incarnation, was completely gone from 1993-2014 before he was revived by IDW, and is a third tier that most people won't think of as anything more than a toy, and you're saying he's as popular as a Turtle himself?

Leatherhead is the most popular mutant ally of the Turtles, being that he's the most exposed in every incarnation.

Um you do know that Leatherhead was from the original Mirage comics right? That's why he was in your precious 4Kids cartoon and none of the other Mutanimals were even referenced, which I for one find really sad.

Just because certain characters don't get as much time to shine, doesn't mean you can dismiss them as forgettable like that. Haven't you ever heard of the term "quality over quantity"?

[ToTheNines]

Originally Posted by Jephael

Mondo Gecko is just as beloved as Michelangelo himself.

You know this is not true, Jeph.

[CyberCubed]

Originally Posted by Jephael

Um you do know that Leatherhead was from the original Mirage comics right? That's why he was in your precious 4Kids cartoon and none of the other Mutanimals were even referenced, which I for one find really sad.

What does that have to do with anything I said? Leatherhead has been in nearly every incarnation, is the most exposed mutant ally of the Turtles in every series. He's in the videogames as bosses, he debuted in Mirage, etc.

None of the other mutant ally characters are even remotely as popular. You do realize the Archie comics themselves are now rather obscure outside the 90's fans who grew up with them right?

I'd wager a large chunk of the current TMNT fanbase has never read the Archie run, or at least not most of it.

[Jephael]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

You do realize the Archie comics themselves are now rather obscure outside the 90's fans who grew up with them right?

Uh last time I checked, IDW has been re-releasing them as collected books, so kids of today have just as much a chance of getting into them as kids of my day.

I'd wager a large chunk of the current TMNT fanbase has never read the Archie run, or at least not most of it.

Yea, because all that's left around here are narrow-minded twerps like you who have little to no respect for who came before. I get so sick of you acting like you're the foremost authority of everything there is to know about the Ninja Turtles. Never in my life have I met somebody who acts so entitled when it comes to a property that's meant for everybody to enjoy and cherish. Atleast some people I know take their love for the franchise and do something positive with it instead of trying to put it on a pedestal for their own self centered reasons.

[CyberCubed]

Originally Posted by Jephael

Uh last time I checked, IDW has been re-releasing them as collected books, so kids of today have just as much a chance of getting into them as kids of my day.

Even so, its probably only a small fraction of current fans.

Yea, because all that's left around here are narrow-minded twerps like you who have little to no respect for who came before.

LOL, I grew up with the Archie comics in the 90's alongside the cartoon and own every single issue. I've also re-read the series numerous times over the last 15 years. You really think I have no idea "what came before?" I've watched/read every single TMNT incarnation.

I get so sick of you acting like you're the foremost authority of everything there is to know about the Ninja Turtles. Never in my life have I met somebody who acts so entitled when it comes to a property that's meant for everybody to enjoy and cherish. Atleast some people I know take their love for the franchise and do something positive with it instead of trying to put it on a pedestal for their own self centered reasons.

All I said was Mondo Gecko isn't that important a TMNT character. Prior to IDW/Nick's revival, he barely has any screentime in past incarnations. His stint in Archie was severely short lived due to the Mutanimals being killed off fast.

[Vegita-San]

Originally Posted by Jephael

Yea, because all that's left around here are narrow-minded twerps like you who have little to no respect for who came before. I get so sick of you acting like you're the foremost authority of everything there is to know about the Ninja Turtles. Never in my life have I met somebody who acts so entitled when it comes to a property that's meant for everybody to enjoy and cherish. Atleast some people I know take their love for the franchise and do something positive with it instead of trying to put it on a pedestal for their own self centered reasons.

I wish we could like posts around here

[CyberCubed]

Originally Posted by Vegita-San

I wish we could like posts around here

This is coming from a guy who constantly goes into threads whining about how bad the Nick cartoon non-stop? You could you know, not post in the Nick section if you don't like it.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Children everywhere. The statistics regarding lead paint consumption must be staggering.

[Metalwolf]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

Rahzar was quite strong for a while before he started to become fodder. And Bebop/Rocksteady were a much needed breath of fresh air, I don't want to see Rahzar/Fishface beaten over and over. They were already becoming fodder even before Bebop/Rocksteady showed up.

So, if Bebop and Rocksteady showed up from the get-go, would you be just as tired seeing them get endlessly beat on?

[CyberCubed]

Originally Posted by Metalwolf

So, if Bebop and Rocksteady showed up from the get-go, would you be just as tired seeing them get endlessly beat on?

Well, obviously. Not sure what point you're getting at here? Seeing the same two mutants beaten over and over no matter who they are is of course going to be tiresome. At least now with Bebop/Rocksteady arrival in mid-Season 3, we don't have to sit through Rahzar/Fishface beaten for the millionth time.

Just in last new episode we had Casey take out both Rahzar, Tiger Claw and Fishface as if they were nothing.

[Tarris Vaal]

The problem here seems to be power creep though doesn't it?

I mean, if every introduced villain remained the massive threat that they were upon introduction then you would end up with the turtles being beaten senseless constantly - to the point where any victory seems almost impossible. Every bit of action would have such high stakes to it, that we'd swiftly grow jaded to it.

You could say that, in that case, the turtles would need to be shown to be getting progressively more powerful and skilled to match - but that IS what we have been getting. The turtles are regularly shown training and the support cast especially (April/Casey) have been shown to get new training, tricks and tech support (space pucks for example).


The only other sensible alternative - if you were to keep bad guys at such a high threat level - would be to take the route of killing them off or crippling them regularly, allowing the next one to take their place or for them to be 'upgraded' themselves.

We kinda got that with Baxter and certainly got that with Rahzar and Shredder.



As for Mondo - I know a lot of people seem to want him to be a good fighter, but .... why? Does every character have to be? He seems to fulfill the scout role that Pete had for the Mutanimals. Is that not sufficient? Does every minor support character have to be a decent fighter as well?
In that case why are we not getting anyone here complaining that someone like Kirby is not ex navy seals and breaks buildings with his bare hands?

Mondo might be popular with some, but he is not - and never should be - considered a 'fighter'. He's a civilian who happened to get mutated, thats all.