Which was better: 'Turtles Forever' or Trans-dimensional Turtles

[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

Transdimensional Turtles felt stressed all the time, jumping between realities at just 20 minutes.

[DestronMirage22]

I think Turtles Forever was definitely better. While both insulted the OT in their own ways, the biggest insult came from Nick trying to shoehorn the OT into it's own canon via Krang. That was not cool. And then Nick's attempt at Turtle Prime was pathetic. Moving around Photoshoped images . FW world animation wasn't very good either. It looked very cheap.
Plus, Turtles Forever had a better story and a longer runtime.

[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

Originally Posted by DestronMirage22

I think Turtles Forever was definitely better. While both insulted the OT in their own ways, the biggest insult came from Nick trying to shoehorn the OT into it's own canon via Krang. That was not cool. And then Nick's attempt at Turtle Prime was pathetic. Moving around Photoshoped images . FW world animation wasn't very good either. It looked very cheap.
Plus, Turtles Forever had a better story and a longer runtime.

It seems Turtles Forever was hyped up before it aired, so I guess it had to have some quality at least.

[pferreira]

Originally Posted by DestronMirage22

I think Turtles Forever was definitely better. While both insulted the OT in their own ways, the biggest insult came from Nick trying to shoehorn the OT into it's own canon via Krang. That was not cool. And then Nick's attempt at Turtle Prime was pathetic. Moving around Photoshoped images . FW world animation wasn't very good either. It looked very cheap.
Plus, Turtles Forever had a better story and a longer runtime.

The animation for the 80s Turtles was spot on but they wrote the characters wrong while in the Nick version they've got the characters right but animated them like Flash animation due to budget. Would be nice one day to get both.

[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

Originally Posted by DestronMirage22

Nick trying to shoehorn the OT into it's own canon via Krang. That was not cool.

Maybe the final crossover will give us some conclusion at least.

[FredWolfLeonardo]

Originally Posted by Original TMNT Cartoon Fan

Maybe the final crossover will give us some conclusion at least.

I think thats quite likely, considering its gonna be 3 episodes long.

[pferreira]

Originally Posted by Original TMNT Cartoon Fan

Maybe the final crossover will give us some conclusion at least.

Is there another crossover planned?

[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

Originally Posted by pferreira

Is there another crossover planned?

The 1987-1996 turtles will crossover with the 2012 turtles one more time. That's already confirmed.

[pferreira]

Originally Posted by Original TMNT Cartoon Fan

The 1987-1996 turtles will crossover with the 2012 turtles one more time. That's already confirmed.

Will the 2003 Turtles crossover do you think?

[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

Originally Posted by pferreira

Will the 2003 Turtles crossover do you think?

Probably no, because of copyright issues.

[neatoman]

Originally Posted by Original TMNT Cartoon Fan

Probably no, because of copyright issues.

There aren't any copyright issues, Viacom has full control over the series. The potential problem is a violation of an agreement with the Screen Actors Guild.

[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

Originally Posted by neatoman

There aren't any copyright issues, Viacom has full control over the series. The potential problem is a violation of an agreement with the Screen Actors Guild.

I heard there were still some copyright problems with the 2003-2009 series, but maybe it had just with DVD releases to do.

[ranger_scout]

The more I watch Turtles Forever the less I like it. Since Peter Laird was mainly behind the 2003 series, he thought it would be okay to treat the 1987 turtles like complete jokes in this special. The FW turtles didn't deserve that. Although I am a fan of Dan Green's voice acting, especially his Knuckles the Echnida, he sounded absolutely nothing like Cam Clarke. The other voice actors at least tried to recreate the voices.

Trans-Dimensional Turtles was a very good tribute to the original series. It brought some light into my life when I was battling depression. Cam Clarke, Townsend Coleman, Barry Gordon, Rob Paulsen and Pat Fraley proved that they still got it after so many years. They also really seem to have chemistry with Seth Green, Sean Astin and Greg Cipes if you look at the behind-the-scenes photos of the recording sessions.

[neatoman]

Originally Posted by Original TMNT Cartoon Fan

I heard there were still some copyright problems with the 2003-2009 series, but maybe it had just with DVD releases to do.

No, Nickelodeon is just a ****** distributor.

Originally Posted by ranger_scout

The more I watch Turtles Forever the less I like it. Since Peter Laird was mainly behind the 2003 series, he thought it would be okay to treat the 1987 turtles like complete jokes in this special. The FW turtles didn't deserve that. Although I am a fan of Dan Green's voice acting, especially his Knuckles the Echnida, he sounded absolutely nothing like Cam Clarke. The other voice actors at least tried to recreate the voices.

Trans-Dimensional Turtles was a very good tribute to the original series. It brought some light into my life when I was battling depression. Cam Clarke, Townsend Coleman, Barry Gordon, Rob Paulsen and Pat Fraley proved that they still got it after so many years. They also really seem to have chemistry with Seth Green, Sean Astin and Greg Cipes if you look at the behind-the-scenes photos of the recording sessions.

But the FW Turtles are a joke.

[ranger_scout]

Originally Posted by neatoman

But the FW Turtles are a joke.

They still had a charm to them. The message that I thought Laird was trying to across in Turtles Forever is that the FW were so incredibly lame and they can't take a moment seriously. In that special, they were not treated with respect and it also looked like they didn't mean a thing at all to the franchise.

[neatoman]

Originally Posted by ranger_scout

They still had a charm to them. The message that I thought Laird was trying to across in Turtles Forever is that the FW were so incredibly lame and they can't take a moment seriously. In that special, they were not treated with respect and it also looked like they didn't mean a thing at all to the franchise.

First off, Peter Laird didn't actually write the script or direct the special, he was the creative consultant. Matthew Dredk, Roy Burdine, Lloyd Goldfine, Rob David were the main forces behind it, Laird just approved it.

Secondly, I think you're mistaking their intentions as being far more malignant than they were. I'm pretty sure the intention was just to make light of the outdated formula and the sheer absurdity of the FW cartoon, not to make it look irrelevant to the franchise.

Thirdly, and I know some people have a hard time accepting this (especially on the internet), the FW TMNT cartoon isn't really an animation classic, nor is it going to remain in the pop culture consciousness for that many more decades. It was a massive hit back in it's day but it's ultimately just the typical trash of it's day. Beyond (arguably fading) nostalgia, the only thing that's notable about it is that it moved toys off the shelf like crazy and had ten straight seasons without making alterations to the title (never mind that four of them are extremely short though). Not that I feel the special was all that disrespectful in the first place, the show not really deserving any particular respect in the first place.

[ToTheNines]

The FW turtles saved the day with their explosive throwing stars. Also had some pretty cool moments in each fight scene they were involved in, which rarely happened in their own show.

Also, it's hilarious to me how so many people ignore the fact the the Nick turtles treated their forebears like complete idiots and frequently disrespect them. In TF, that was really just Raph, a noted grump who got his turn from the Mirage guys.

Also, Auman tried to rewrite FW lore on a whim. Ended up making no sense.

[ranger_scout]

Originally Posted by neatoman

Thirdly, and I know some people have a hard time accepting this (especially on the internet), the FW TMNT cartoon isn't really an animation classic, nor is it going to remain in the pop culture consciousness for that many more decades. It was a massive hit back in it's day but it's ultimately just the typical trash of it's day. Beyond (arguably fading) nostalgia, the only thing that's notable about it is that it moved toys off the shelf like crazy and had ten straight seasons without making alterations to the title (never mind that four of them are extremely short though). Not that I feel the special was all that disrespectful in the first place, the show not really deserving any particular respect in the first place.

The voice actors from the 1987 TV series say that when fans come up to them they reveal that they are not only watching the 2012 Nickelodeon series with their kids, but they are showing the original series to them as well. Austin St. John, who played Jason Lee Scott in Mighty Morphin' Power Rangers and Power Rangers Zeo, has said similar things as well. Parents and kids have told him that they are watching the show right now on Netflix even though it aired many years ago.

With the recent passing of the great Adam West, I've seen recent articles saying that his Batman series has suddenly gotten popular again thanks to its recent releases on Blu-ray and DVD along with last year's animated film Batman: Return of the Caped Crusaders. Even though the series was campy I would re-watch that series any day over that junk of a comic-book series known as Gotham. In that show's first season I had never in my life seen such bad writing for female characters, other than Fish Mooney, and very forced and sloppy love-triangles. People have said that it's gotten better, but I've also heard that there is still way too much of a gloomy tone and there was no hope for the city until the very end of the show's third season.

[neatoman]

Originally Posted by ranger_scout

The voice actors from the 1987 TV series say that when fans come up to them they reveal that they are not only watching the 2012 Nickelodeon series with their kids, but they are showing the original series to them as well. Austin St. John, who played Jason Lee Scott Mighty Morphin' Power Rangers and Power Rangers Zeo, has said similar things as well. Parents and kids have told him that they are watching the show right now on Netflix even though it aired many years ago.

With the recent passing of the great Adam West, I've seen recent articles saying that his Batman series has suddenly gotten popular again thanks to its recent releases on Blu-ray and DVD along with last year's animated film Batman: Return of the Caped Crusaders. Even though the series was campy I would re-watch that series any day over that junk of a comic-book series known as Gotham. In that show's first season I had never in my life seen such bad writing for female characters, other than Fish Mooney, and very forced and sloppy love-triangles. People have said that it's gotten better, but I've also heard that there is still way too much of a gloomy tone and there was no hope for the city until the very end of the show's third season.

Uh huh... And I watched Lois & Clark, Superman TAS, Smallville and the Donner Superman movies growing up but they didn't all make an equal impact on me. There's no guarantee most these kids will remember this stuff fondly, even if they do you're still focusing on fairly small part of the audience. Most kids watching the Nick Turtles probably don't have parents who decide to watch one of the older shows with their kids, they probably just watch the show without even thinking about the older shows.

As for West's death and the revived interest in the '66 Batman show... Look, this kind of thing always happens when a celebrity dies, when Stan Lee dies you can bet sales for reprints of classic Marvel is going to go through the roof. And of course the home release of a once huge show that's been in copyright limbo for decades is going to sell well. The revived interest just isn't that surprising to me. It's going to fade away again eventually.

As for Gotham being trash, not sure what your point is. I'll agree that it's trash (I haven't watched it since season 2) but it's not like it and '66 are the only games in town when it comes to Batman shows. I'd still take TAS over both...

[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

Originally Posted by neatoman

Animation classic

Which TV series are considered animation classics?