Official Justice League Movie

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by AquaParade

As someone who enjoyed MoS and BvS, I am really hoping they release Snyder’s cut at some point. This felt like a sequel from an alternate universe. It was pretty funny. Maybe even charming. But damn, I have no desire to ever see it again.

As someone who liked MoS but only parts of BvS... I feel exactly the same way. And man oh man was that CGI lip on Cavill super noticeable. I did not like this movie at all.

Music score was BAD! Not nearly in the same stratosphere of or as moving as Zimmer's stuff in MoS or even BvS. The reuse of Elfman's Batman theme and the Williams' Superman theme is so subtle and quick you can easily miss it.

Overall I think I might even rate this lower than BvS. At least that felt like a cohesive movie.

[NinjaPug]

Yep, the score was awful.

[FredWolfLeonardo]

I feel like I'm not gonna like this film as much as Man of Steel and Wonder Woman, but much more than BvS and Suicide Squad.

Curious to see the inconsistencies in tone as many others have described.

[TigerClaw]

Saw it today, It was good, You can see some of Joss Whedon's touches on it, but I also noticed stuff we seen from the trailers, not being in the final film, will probably be deleted scenes on the Blu-ray.

[Turo602]

Saw it last night and I thought it was great. I honestly don't know why this is even getting sh*t on so much, meanwhile, crap like Spider-Man Homecoming and Thor Ragnarok is praised beyond belief. People made this movie out to be such a huge mess of a film that my expectations were seriously low and I was just waiting and waiting for those sh*tty moments to take me out of the film and it never happened.

I've seen people sh*t on Steppenwolf for being a terrible villain and while he's rather forgettable, he serves his purpose well. Steppenwolf isn't the reason to watch this film nor did I expect him to be such a compelling villain. At least he wasn't non-threatening like Loki in the first Avengers film or making dumb jokes like Ultron. He gave the League someone to fight and they delivered on that perfectly.

The CGI was also talked about quite a lot as being all over the place and questionable for a big budget film, yet it looks just like any other CGI heavy superhero movie. Yeah, there were a couple of shots where you can tell Henry Cavill's upper lip is off, there were also two obvious use of green screen during two separate Aquaman close-ups, and Steppenwolf is definitely not the best looking CGI character, but is any of this new or specific to this film? Not trying to make excuses for the film's shortcomings, but why exactly do I only see people bitch about these things when it appears in a DC film but never any Marvel film? It’s like when it happens in a DC film, the problem gets so damn amplified but during a Marvel film, it gets glossed over.

As much as I would have loved to see a longer version of the film, what I saw was satisfactory. It got to the point, it made sense, and told a linear and cohesive story without any boring and drawn out subplots. My only real gripe so far is a huge inconsistency regarding Superman.

Spoiler:

At the end of BvS, we clearly see the dirt on his grave about to rise as if he’s about to fly out of his coffin, yet in this movie, he’s definitely dead and needs to be resurrected? What the f*ck happened? Superman’s characterization was also really forced. They keep talking about how Superman was a beacon and when he comes back, he’s so happy and 100% Superman-like, and it’s so unearned. BvS showed us that the world was split on Superman so while he was a beacon to a lot of people, he was also hated by a lot as well. This was a huge conflict for Superman on both sides and it never got truly resolved. On one hand, he’s hated and doesn’t understand the backlash, then he’s worshipped and looks to be unhappy with that too, and then he’s horrified by all the terrible situations he’s put in and suddenly we’re shown this side of him in the opening that we’ve never seen before? Are we just supposed to accept that he was always this guy despite never having been shown this in previous movies? It felt too much like a course correction and not a natural development.

With that said, I still enjoyed him in the film very much. It was refreshing to see him actually act like Superman and his fight with the League had to be my favorite part of the whole movie. Just the way he was destroying them and not weak for once like in the cartoons was so damn epic. Especially that moment where he spots the Flash running and you can feel Barry’s fear.

The team dynamic in this film was just spot on. Each character had their moment with each member in the team and had great chemistry with each other. That alone makes Justice League a success for me because I want to see more of these characters. I want to see them in more movies together and be as entertaining as they were here.

In all honesty, I like this better than any of the Avengers films. The Justice League has just always been a better team with a better cast of characters, and seeing them on film for the first time and done this well, means more to me than seeing a bunch of B characters get together on screen. Not to mention, like Wonder Woman, the humor was balanced a lot better than most of Marvel’s flicks and like Man of Steel and BvS, there are lots of great moments and spectacular looking shots, which I’ve always felt DC did better than Marvel. The shorter length of the movie and it’s easy to follow story also make it a great rewatch, which I will definitely be doing. With that said however, it’s by no means a perfect movie. It has plenty of flaws and may not even be a better movie than something like Wonder Woman or The Avengers on a technical level, but I sure as hell enjoyed my time with it greatly.

[Spike Spiegel]

Originally Posted by Turo602

Saw it last night and I thought it was great. I honestly don't know why this is even getting sh*t on so much, meanwhile, crap like Spider-Man Homecoming and Thor Ragnarok is praised beyond belief. People made this movie out to be such a huge mess of a film that my expectations were seriously low and I was just waiting and waiting for those sh*tty moments to take me out of the film and it never happened.

Not trying to make excuses for the film's shortcomings, but why exactly do I only see people bitch about these things when it appears in a DC film but never any Marvel film? It’s like when it happens in a DC film, the problem gets so damn amplified but during a Marvel film, it gets glossed over.

With that said, I still enjoyed him in the film very much. It was refreshing to see him actually act like Superman and his fight with the League had to be my favorite part of the whole movie. Just the way he was destroying them and not weak for once like in the cartoons was so damn epic. Especially that moment where he spots the Flash running and you can feel Barry’s fear.[/spoiler]

The team dynamic in this film was just spot on. Each character had their moment with each member in the team and had great chemistry with each other. That alone makes Justice League a success for me because I want to see more of these characters. I want to see them in more movies together and be as entertaining as they were here.

In all honesty, I like this better than any of the Avengers films. The Justice League has just always been a better team with a better cast of characters, and seeing them on film for the first time and done this well, means more to me than seeing a bunch of B characters get together on screen. Not to mention, like Wonder Woman, the humor was balanced a lot better than most of Marvel’s flicks and like Man of Steel and BvS, there are lots of great moments and spectacular looking shots, which I’ve always felt DC did better than Marvel...It has plenty of flaws and may not even be a better movie than something like Wonder Woman or The Avengers on a technical level, but I sure as hell enjoyed my time with it greatly.

I can't really express my own sentiments about the film any better than this. I'm so glad I avoided the spoilers on Reddit, as there were some nice surprises in there.

I saw it this afternoon and really enjoyed it. The characters were well balanced, as was the relationship between the grittiness and optimism. I can see where they emulated some of what Marvel Studios has done, but it didn't lessen the stakes of the story.

I don't know if Whedon is responsible for it, but this movie felt much less sterile than Man of Steel or even parts of BvS. And all the characters had such chemistry with each other, I'd imagine there is a huge amount of slash pairing fanfiction being written even as I type this.

I hope they continue with this universe, because by the end of this film, it's finally started to feel like an interesting and dynamic place I'd want to live. The audience at my IMAX theater clapped when the credits started and the two bearded middle aged guys sitting behind me were talking about it like a couple of schoolboys.

Spoilery Things

Spoiler:

• The Flash/Superman rivalry thing was hilarious and well done.
• They even had Cyborg say "boo-yah," referencing his catch phrase from the 2003 Teen Titans show, which was a nice touch.
• Green Lanterns definitely exist in this universe.
• Superman acts like he's supposed to.
• The Batman/Wonder Woman relationship seems hinted at, but things are left to the imagination.
• They at least name-dropped Darkseid and the New Gods, and it felt nice to see Jack Kirby's name in the credits.

[Chris]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

By who, though? The same WB suits who created this game plan and mess in the first place?

Wow, wow, wait, hold up a sec! WB had a game plan?!

Seriously though, it was alleged that the test screening done at the beginning of the year was said to be unwatchable. Presumably this was for the WB execs. But if these were the same execs who allegedly gave BvS standing ovations you have to wonder how bad it was for them to call it unwatchable.

Educated guess - Snyder delivered a cut that was longer, not ultimate cut long but over the desired 2 hour mark, and had more world building but lacked any real heart and most likely didn't get the characters right again (based on BvS & now much Superman stuff was reshot).

Whedon was brought in to trim the fat, make the characters more likeable & fix Superman. He probably also made it more standalone, removing things like Knightmare references & maybe adding a few bits for clarification/context (apparently the Snyder cut opened with the Bruce/Aquaman scene, Whedon added the Batman/Parademon fight).

[CyberCubed]

Originally Posted by Turo602

don't know why this is even getting sh*t on so much, meanwhile, crap like Spider-Man Homecoming and Thor Ragnarok is praised beyond belief.

What was wrong with Spiderman Homecoming? I thought the movie was quite good and entertaining, and while I know Peter being an Avenger or Iron Man fanboy is a bit off for people, other than that I enjoyed it quite a bit. Best Spiderman movie since Spiderman 2 easily.

[Turo602]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

What was wrong with Spiderman Homecoming? I thought the movie was quite good and entertaining, and while I know Peter being an Avenger or Iron Man fanboy is a bit off for people, other than that I enjoyed it quite a bit. Best Spiderman movie since Spiderman 2 easily.

I just felt like it got Spider-Man all wrong and tried too hard to be different from previous movies that they ended up making too many unnecessary changes to the character on top of beating us over the head with the fact that this is MCU Spider-Man and not just Spider-Man. His inclusion isn't natural at all, like all the other superheroes. The action was also disappointingly bland for a Spider-Man movie and Spider-Man kept fumbling through every scene for the sake of cheap laughs. It's an okay film, but being such a big Spider-Man fan, I'm especially disappointed by it.

[myconius]

seeing the movie twice now i enjoyed the film just as much as the first time i saw it. which was quite a lot.
was it perfect? hell no! but neither were any of the other Superhero films i've loved over the years.
the closest to what i consider a perfect Superhero flick to is Superman (1977) or Spider-Man (2002).

my favorite comic character has always been Batman.
as much as i enjoy all of the different Batman movies to varying degrees, they are ALL flawed in some way.
like Joker killing Batman's parents, or Alfred letting Vicky Vale into the Bat-cave, mutant Cobblepot and his amy of missile totting penguins, Scarecrow being some guy with a bag over his head, Barbara Pennyworth, Bane being a dumb frankenstein, or rubber nipple bat-butts, etc, etc....

i can go on, but won't.

there were definitely things i found very enjoyable about this film.
there were also things that i wasn't crazy about.
but my overall experience with the movie was a positive one.

would i recommend this to a friend? absolutely.

[ranger_scout]

I saw it today and I didn't think it was a bad film and it was a HUGE IMPROVEMENT over Batman vs. Superman: Dawn of Justice. Gal Gadot once again proved why she was chosen to play Wonder Woman and Ezra Miller brought plenty of personality to Barry Allen/The Flash. Jason Momoa did have some solid moments as Aquaman and Ray Fisher was a decent Victor Stone / Cyborg. Still, the movie did have plenty of flaws. It was kind of uneven in certain parts. Affleck is still not an interesting Bruce/Batman. Billy Curdup felt kind of miscast as Henry Allen. Plus, I didn't find Steppenwolf to be a very memorable villain. Amy Adams is one of the best American actresses right now in Hollywood and certainly does whatever she can with the material she's given as Lois Lane. She's certainly a lot better than the scripts for the three films she has done in this franchise.

Spoiler:

I did like the scenes that she and Clark/Superman shared together at his old home though. Also, had she not shown up after Superman had been revived, then it certainly would've been the end of the Justice League.

J.K. Simmons is also a brilliant actor, but it's unfortunate that he really didn't get to do much as Commissioner Gordon.

[Andrew NDB]

So "Justice League." I definitely didn't like it.

* Spoilers *

Spoiler:

It isn't difficult to figure out that Whedon chopped out probably an hour or more of Snyder's movie, then added about 30 minutes in (apparently more? I'm hearing Whedon's final version was 2 hours 30 minutes before the studio said "It's gotta be TWO HOURS TOPS! We smell a flop and need to maximize profit!!!"). Every time you see Superman it's clear it was from the reshoots... because of the SUPER OBVIOUS CGI on his upper lip to hide the mustache they had to disguise because he was shooting MI6 when the reshoots were happening. I thought for sure they had it handled and it wouldn't be a big deal... but it is! Every time you see him it's like, "What the **** is going on with his face?" I don't want to see this movie ever again but I might if they fix the lip stuff because of how distracting it is. From the end of BvS to all the hubbub about the black suit and beard (Cavill teased the black suit on Twitter), it's easy to surmise that Superman was brought back to life by Steppenwolf and was evil for at least most of the movie in that version. That dirt wasn't levitating at the end of BvS because it knew Batman might think to dig up his grave a year or two later. Seems to be Whedon chopped all of that out, created the very awkward storyline with the League deciding to dig up his body and do it themselves so that Superman can be there in the final battle and he can be all savey and stuff. Aquaman amounts to nothing here, everything about who he is and the Atlanteans in Atlantis is just told in dialogue, not shown. No reason is given to care about Cyborg. Flash is funny and some of his stuff works but it's not enough (to be fair, I did like his part in this better than, say, Quicksilver in the last two X-Men movies, or Quicksilver in Avengers 2). And he is a FAKE Barry Allen. About Batman, you can also spot the reshoot stuff with him... he is noticeably quite a bit chubbier (face a lot flusher, too) in some scenes and more in line with his look in BvS in others. He also seemed to be having a lot of trouble with the material this time around. Wonder Woman is still good, though it's like between Snyder and Whedon, neither one could get a great performance out of her... her line readings here are more stilted and awkward than anything in WW and it sticks out. So much joking around and maybe only half of the jokes land. Nothing about this movie leaves you walking away thinking you got anything in the way of a coherent story or vision... even BvS is better than JL in this way. The "Nightcrawler" was lame an pointless. The "Bat Troop Carrier" isn't remarkable for anything. Final battle is disjointed... you can see the seamlines of the brutal editing (a lot of characters saying the probably newly written lines with their backs to the camera so you can't see what their lips are doing, other stuff, too, etc.). I suspect there is a metric ton of Steppenwolf stuff on the cutting room floor because he isn't anything here... a cardboard villain who literally just wants to destroy the world (I think?). I'd actually really like to see the full Snyder cut of this, if only to get a full grasp of what the original thinking was on everything and what was done, which is easily at a level of a Rogue One overhaul, maybe moreso.

Oh, and the music score is awful. All the news about Elfman is reusing his Batman theme or the Williams Superman theme... these are super brief moments to where you might go, "Hey, is that...?" but then it's gone and never heard again. Super lame. If you're going to do that, don't just tease it. No music in this movie is remotely as powerful or as moving as Zimmer's work in MoS or BvS, not by a long shot.

[Katie]

We saw it and found it to be a fantastic movie. Wasn’t sure what to expect because I’ve been burned out on superhero movies for a few years, but I really liked this alot.

I’m with everyone else in not understanding why this is getting sh!t on so much. The story has a good pace, character interactions are great, its a visually beautiful movie, cg is on the same level as other movies, there were funny moments. I don’t get the hate boner, but then again I don’t understand how people obsess over directors and studios and critics. I don’t give a rip about all that. I’ve never been a movie nerd. I just like what I like and I liked this.

Going to see it again on Wednesday.

[RaphaelinSTL]

Man ... I'm just champing at the bit for the news to come out today and if this thing was able to gross the 100 million dollar mark. I didn't have a chance to see it this weekend and probably won't have any time with work and the holidays to see it until it's second full week, but I do still want to check this thing out at least.

[AquaParade]

Yes, I forgot to mention that the score was definitely a flop. Junkie XL and Hans Zimmer did a really good job with the previous movies. I was looking forward to hearing the classic themes from Elfman but the execution wasn’t there.

[Vegita-San]

i don't remember anything memorable from MOS or BvS in score mode either. ALL modern movie scores are so dull, you could swap one for the other and not even notice the swap.

[Spike Spiegel]

I kind of wish they showed more of the Amazons. The action moved so fast, I barely even noticed those midriffs that the Internet couldn't stop complaining about.

[RaphaelinSTL]

Yikes!

'Justice League' Box Office: Why A $96M Debut Is A Disaster

[NinjaPug]

Yikes at that box office opening. I'm really curious how this impacts the DC films slate going forward.

[TigerClaw]

Originally Posted by RaphaelinSTL

Yikes!

'Justice League' Box Office: Why A $96M Debut Is A Disaster

That Flash deleted scene was cool, why wasn't it in the movie?

I'm pretty sure we can expect an Ultimate Edition of Justice League on Blu-ray, with all those scenes re-added.