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Old 12-09-2017, 08:12 PM   #601
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For me, they are just not bringing in the same level of fun and originality that they deliver to the marvel films.

EVERYTHING is a SAFE and BORING episode 4 call back. We've seen it all before. Nostalgia callbacks are nothing new now. Even the 80s Turtles crossing over with the 2012 turtles didn't give me the same thrill that watching Turtles Forever did. It's just..we've seen it all before.

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Boy...Andi looks soo much cuter without the odd piercings and purple hair.
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Old 12-09-2017, 08:52 PM   #602
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Whine whine whine.

Episode 8 doesn't look "safe" at all, it's nowhere going to be similar to an old movie like Episode 7 was. For the record I haven't read any spoilers, just going off trailers and the stuff revealed so far. At least wait till you see the movie first.
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Old 12-09-2017, 09:01 PM   #603
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I don't think it's that at all for me, I still got hyped for Rogue One even though I never liked anything about that movie.

But I'm not even remotely hyped for this one, I also don't think it'll be a retread, it has to do something new or at least answer the questions that Ep.VII never did. I just don't care, maybe having a new movie every year does kill the enthusiasm of anything.
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Old 12-09-2017, 11:07 PM   #604
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Whine whine whine.

Episode 8 doesn't look "safe" at all, it's nowhere going to be similar to an old movie like Episode 7 was. For the record I haven't read any spoilers, just going off trailers and the stuff revealed so far. At least wait till you see the movie first.
Actually going off of the trailers alone... 8 seems exactly like a 5 retread. Just about every shot you see in them reminds me of something from 5.
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Old 12-09-2017, 11:13 PM   #605
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For the record, killing off Han Solo making Ben/Kylo take the step that Vader did not was not playing safe. I know that Guiness wanted out of the movie so the force ghost was created and Harrison thought Han's usefulness had reached its end,but Han Solo was killed off, that was gutsy and hard to watch as obvious as it was. Safe in some ways, sure, but not in others.
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Old 12-09-2017, 11:27 PM   #606
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For the record, killing off Han Solo making Ben/Kylo take the step that Vader did not was not playing safe. I know that Guiness wanted out of the movie so the force ghost was created and Harrison thought Han's usefulness had reached its end,but Han Solo was killed off, that was gutsy and hard to watch as obvious as it was. Safe in some ways, sure, but not in others.
It didn't felt deserved.

Kylo Ren was not interesting or charismatic and the whole thing was just token "killing old character" for the sake of drama.
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Old 12-10-2017, 12:01 AM   #607
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It didn't felt deserved.

Kylo Ren was not interesting or charismatic and the whole thing was just token "killing old character" for the sake of drama.
IMO.
Reading that makes me think of Independence Day 2. The biggest violator and attempt to shift focus onto the new ones.

That very act I felt took away any chance of Kylo being widely popular, but instead greatly despised.
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Old 12-10-2017, 01:07 AM   #608
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That very act I felt took away any chance of Kylo being widely popular, but instead greatly despised.
I didn't despised him for this, I felt more like "meh".

My problem with new characters, that neither Rey nor Ren were interesting to me. The "old guard" was fine, Finn was fine, better than I have expected, but the main protagonist and, supposedly, main antagonist just felt very flat to me. And that alone kind of made me feel, not particularly interested in whatever had happened in the story.

Besides, my greatest fear is that they try to somehow pull out some ridiculous redemption for Ren in the last episode. Though of course, if they will be able to make him interesting in SW8, then, they can probably do it just fine, if not - who cares? I certainly won't.
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Old 12-10-2017, 02:12 AM   #609
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Actually going off of the trailers alone... 8 seems exactly like a 5 retread. Just about every shot you see in them reminds me of something from 5.
'that's our cubed!'

there's even a cave! but, i'm just whining..smh.

If the music is the music we are getting in the new movie (played during the red carpet last night) notice they even redid a cue from han getting frozen.

yeah, that's HIGHLY original!
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Old 12-10-2017, 04:04 AM   #610
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'that's our cubed!'
F***. He got me again, didn't he?
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Old 12-10-2017, 04:30 AM   #611
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https://www.comicbookmovie.com/sci-f...e-show-a156227

Good reactions. "Luke steals the show."

And jesus... if you want a really big spoiler, I can confirm:

Spoiler:
Yes, Luke does die in this.
I doubted many who said this would happen, but it does.

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Old 12-10-2017, 04:47 AM   #612
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https://www.comicbookmovie.com/sci-f...e-show-a156227

Good reactions. "Luke steals the show."

And jesus... if you want a really big spoiler, I can confirm:

Spoiler:
Yes, Luke does die in this.
I doubted many who said this would happen, but it does.
Spoiler:
awhhhhh 😣 well thanks for warning me.
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Old 12-10-2017, 05:29 AM   #613
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More, if anyone absolutely, positively must know:

Spoiler:
* Kylo kills Snoke.
* Kylo is bad guy and remains dark at end.
* Rey is the Last Jedi at the end and does not turn Dark.
* Leia lives.
* Luke dies at end. Pulls an Obi-Wan.
* Yoda convinces Luke to train Rey.
* "The Resistance" is in disarray at the end.
* There's a ton of humor.
* Rey’s lightsaber is destroyed
* Rey’s parents are junk dealers and left her. She's just a random person strong in the Force.
* Phasma dies.
* Luke fights Kylo in a scene where his life force is drained.
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Old 12-10-2017, 05:37 AM   #614
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What do you think of that? (Andrew)

Spoiler:
I thought Snoke would last until the next one....and have a strong depth to his character. I suppose they want Ren to be the supreme bad guy.
I thought there would be more to Rey (as I'm sure a lot of people did)...
and... Luke should really have had his day in this one and died in the next, seen as they already killed Han. What's left for the next one? Rey vs very evil Ren and a ghost Luke?

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Old 12-10-2017, 05:52 AM   #615
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What do you think of that? (Andrew)

Spoiler:
I thought Snoke would last until the next one....and have a strong depth to his character. I suppose they want Ren to be the supreme bad guy.
I thought there would be more to Rey (as I'm sure a lot of people did)...
and... Luke should really have had his day in this one and died in the next, seen as they already killed Han. What's left for the next one? Rey vs very evil Ren and a ghost Luke?
Spoiler:
I haven't seen it myself yet, so I'm not sure how it will all register.
But... definitely I wanted Snoke to be Plagueis (maybe he is/was? though he doesn't even seem to be important to things going forward), Rey to be bad at the end, Kylo to be good. Maybe they'll flip things in 9. It's weird in that it seems to completely wipe the slate clean to what 9 will be.
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Old 12-10-2017, 06:01 AM   #616
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Yeah it's hard to tell without seeing everything else. Maybe you'll get your side switch in the next one, they have to save something for it True btw, about the clean slate, also with Carrie there will be no Leia either and she was originally going to have a strong story in that one (or so I heard).
Yeah. Abrams basically gets to do whatever he wants in 9. And

Spoiler:
I would bet the farm, as I've always said since Fisher died,
Leia "dies" in the opening crawl of 9. Doing anything else would seem weird. People expecting them to change 8 to have Leia die on-screen the same year her actress did are insane.

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Old 12-10-2017, 06:02 AM   #617
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I haven't seen it myself yet, so I'm not sure how it will all register.
But... definitely I wanted Snoke to be Plagueis (maybe he is/was? though he doesn't even seem to be important to things going forward), Rey to be bad at the end, Kylo to be good. Maybe they'll flip things in 9. It's weird in that it seems to completely wipe the slate clean to what 9 will be.
Spoiler:
Yeah it's hard to tell without seeing everything. You may yet get the switching sides, have to save something for the next movie True about the clean slate, with Carrie there will be no Leia either and I read that she was going to have a big storyline in it (if that was true).


Edit: Okay you'd seen and responded before I deleted and re-posted in a spolier. Sorry for the repeat.

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Old 12-10-2017, 06:07 AM   #618
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Yeah it's hard to tell without seeing everything. You may yet get the switching sides, have to save something for the next movie True about the clean slate, with Carrie there will be no Leia either and I read that she was going to have a big storyline in it (if that was true).
Kathleen Kennedy openly talked about that to the press so I wouldn't doubt it was true.
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Old 12-10-2017, 06:43 AM   #619
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I feel like I am going to hate this movie.

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I bet you they even played the cue that this big moment happens in from last night. when I Heard it, I Thought.. oh, they wouldn't do THAT, would they? I don't want the man hater to ruin all the good characters of this franchise!

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Old 12-10-2017, 12:47 PM   #620
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F***. He got me again, didn't he?
he gets everyone. apparently cause he's always right. who knew?



Latest tv trailers are actually more spoilery than the spoilers.
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