Star Wars Episode 8

[newfan]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

That might have been the plan from the start. Episode IX: "PSYCHE! She's been Luke's daughter the whole time." And then maybe we meet Mom.

They might have it turn out that she was adopted for her own safely but that's doing that same thing again ..also..from what would she need protecting from at that time.

Spoiler:

I'd have liked a bit more a story to her powers though than she's just a random person who's strong with the force.

[Andrew NDB]

Spoiler:

I'd almost bet the farm the "HAH! You're just a nobody, your parents are random nameless traders/smugglers!" big reveal is a smokescreen meant to make the actual reveal in IX a bigger deal. At the very least, the parents will be legit Jedis or Sith-wannabes who factor into IX heavily.

[plastroncafe]

Spoiler:

Ben solo is a liar, he's never been a trustworthy narrator. Until something is corroborated by another character, we should take pretty much everything he says as incorrect.

That said, I kind of hope he is telling the truth. I like the idea of Rey just being a person. Not being a Skywalker, not being a Kenobi, just a person. The simple Farm Boy that Luke was supposed to be but wasn't.

As for your question Andrew, I think the idea is that the resistance is fighting against oligarchy and the power of the haves to oppress the Have Nots.

[newfan]

Oh I didn't realise that is where the information came from

Spoiler:

He could well be lying but as Andrew said, smokescreen is a good bet. It may not be Luke or Obi-wan, maybe they'll come up with something different, just something more to her.

I am yet to see it (hopefully the weekend) but I get the feeling some people don't know if they like it or not overall and there's a lot to digest.

[MikeandRaph87]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

Spoiler:

I'd almost bet the farm the "HAH! You're just a nobody, your parents are random nameless traders/smugglers!" big reveal is a smokescreen meant to make the actual reveal in IX a bigger deal. At the very least, the parents will be legit Jedis or Sith-wannabes who factor into IX heavily.

Spoiler:

What surprised me was Luke did not know who she was. Sure,
it would be cool if she was his daughter,but just a force user that he could seen or knew a prophecy about.

I welcome a bigger reveal, however what if is instead of nobodies who sold their child into slavery that they were well intentioned people.

[biganimefan]

Current Rotten Tomatoes audience score: 60%



But seriously, from things that I've heard about this movie I'm glad that I'm no spoiler-phobe. No desire to see it in the theater now(very little to begin with though honestly). Much rather spend my time and money on "The Post". When the library gets The Last Jedi I'll give it a rent...when I get around to it.

[sdp]

I don't think this discussion is a spoiler but since Andrew has it as a spoiler I'll spoilerify my post.

I also realize this is the main reason I disliked The Last Jedi

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

Spoiler:

My biggest wish was that they would bother to explain why it's a Rebellion. The New Republic is the established ruling government of the galaxy, put in place by the Rebel Alliance after their victory over the Empire in Episode VI. "The First Order" isn't even the Empire, but rather just some ragtag Imperial remnants that cobbled together their forces. I re-watched VII last night and it literally says in the opening crawl that the New Republic "supports" the Resistance... but why is it a Resistance? Why are they "rebels"? Why is it a "Rebellion"? The "First Order" are the ones rebelling against the ruling body of the Republic, not the other way around. I've read that the new books and stuff explain that the New Republic is inherently pacifistic, so that's why they can't openly endorse the Resistance, but they still want the Resistance to fight the First Order, but quietly, on the side. Why in the hell would the Rebel Alliance, all of those war-hardened generals and leaders among them, set up the New Republic as a pacifistic governing body to begin with? Especially with the Imperial remnants still lurking out there?? It doesn't make any sense.

I don't care what the explanation is, I just want to understand what's going on.

Spoiler:

You're going to hate The Last Jedi then, not only do they not explain anything but somehow the first order is now in control of most of the galaxy. Like that no explanation.

The republic is not mentioned at all, or if it is it must be a blink and miss it piece of dialog. The movie actually ends with Luke saying, *SPOILER* "You're wrong,
this isn't the First Order hasn't won, the war begins today, the rebellion restarts today" It might not be 100% like that since I don't remember it very well but it's that's the dialog.

What the hell, so we're back to the original status quo 100% of the Empire vs the Rebels and the rebels are now the underdogs? Everything that happened in the OT is now pointless. And none of this is ever explained, nothing is explained.

Same with Snoke, he isn't a sith from the interviews they gave us and yet he has force powers including force lightning? He is mentioned as the one who corrupted Ben Solo and obviously has a lot of knowledge based on his dialog and he's killed without ever explaining who he was? He was basically the emperor, an old man who had powers but we never learn anything about Snoke or how he became powerful and now he is dead so it doesn't really matter much who he is anymore I guess

F-ck this movie and the sequel trilogy.

Originally Posted by biganimefan

No desire to see it in the theater now(very little to begin with though honestly).

I think any Star Wars fan should watch it, the Luke Skywalker scenes while missed opportunities are still all great and the character was handled very well, the Kylo/Rey relationship peaks your interest as well.

It's the whole direction of the sequel trilogy and how it's just pandering to the OT and that the stakes for no given reason are now the same as in the OT that ruins it for me.

[Spike Spiegel]

Originally Posted by sdp

I don't think this discussion is a spoiler but since Andrew has it as a spoiler I'll spoilerify my post.

I also realize this is the main reason I disliked The Last Jedi

Spoiler:

You're going to hate The Last Jedi then, not only do they not explain anything but somehow the first order is now in control of most of the galaxy. Like that no explanation.

The republic is not mentioned at all, or if it is it must be a blink and miss it piece of dialog. The movie actually ends with Luke saying, *SPOILER* "You're wrong,
this isn't the First Order hasn't won, the war begins today, the rebellion restarts today" It might not be 100% like that since I don't remember it very well but it's that's the dialog.

What the hell, so we're back to the original status quo 100% of the Empire vs the Rebels and the rebels are now the underdogs? Everything that happened in the OT is now pointless. And none of this is ever explained, nothing is explained.

Same with Snoke, he isn't a sith from the interviews they gave us and yet he has force powers including force lightning? He is mentioned as the one who corrupted Ben Solo and obviously has a lot of knowledge based on his dialog and he's killed without ever explaining who he was? He was basically the emperor, an old man who had powers but we never learn anything about Snoke or how he became powerful and now he is dead so it doesn't really matter much who he is anymore I guess

F-ck this movie and the sequel trilogy.



I think any Star Wars fan should watch it, the Luke Skywalker scenes while missed opportunities are still all great and the character was handled very well, the Kylo/Rey relationship peaks your interest as well.

It's the whole direction of the sequel trilogy and how it's just pandering to the OT and that the stakes for no given reason are now the same as in the OT that ruins it for me.

Is it at least worth a free public library rental?

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by sdp

Spoiler:

You're going to hate The Last Jedi then, not only do they not explain anything but somehow the first order is now in control of most of the galaxy. Like that no explanation.

The republic is not mentioned at all, or if it is it must be a blink and miss it piece of dialog. The movie actually ends with Luke saying, *SPOILER* "You're wrong,
this isn't the First Order hasn't won, the war begins today, the rebellion restarts today" It might not be 100% like that since I don't remember it very well but it's that's the dialog.

What the hell, so we're back to the original status quo 100% of the Empire vs the Rebels and the rebels are now the underdogs? Everything that happened in the OT is now pointless. And none of this is ever explained, nothing is explained.

Same with Snoke, he isn't a sith from the interviews they gave us and yet he has force powers including force lightning? He is mentioned as the one who corrupted Ben Solo and obviously has a lot of knowledge based on his dialog and he's killed without ever explaining who he was? He was basically the emperor, an old man who had powers but we never learn anything about Snoke or how he became powerful and now he is dead so it doesn't really matter much who he is anymore I guess

Spoiler:

Sounds like sh**. If they really wanted Rebels vs. Empire again because nostalgia they should have just had it that the Rebel Alliance didn't entirely defeat the Empire in VI, that they never got to make a New Republic and have been at a constant state of war for 30 years. There, simple. It makes sense.

[sdp]

I remember getting into an argument here in the drome and on Twitter about Captain Phasma and they kept telling me how the way she was treated in The Force Awakens made TOTAL SENSE because of the EU book that explains her reasons and whatnot and that she would be the total badass in The Last Jedi...

Spoiler:

And boom, she has 4 seconds of being a total badass, I was hyped,
she looked awesome, she seemed menacing, I was about to look past Episode VII's portrayal and 4 seconds later she goes out like a chump.

Her "death" is not explicit so I'm guessing she'll be alive for Episode IX but can we really take her seriously anymore after being disposed of like that two movies in a row?

Originally Posted by Spike Spiegel

Is it at least worth a free public library rental?

Like I said I think there's enough there for any Star Wars fan to enjoy watching it at least once in theaters those moments are still cool regardless, it's only the direction that the franchise took that sucks.

[RaphaelinSTL]

I still need to see this thing but damn ... look at the disconnect just from one day.



I wonder how this will shift over the weekend.

[plastroncafe]

Take all of this with a fanwanking grain of salt, but...the more I think on this, the more I prefer the story this movie is telling.

Spoiler:

What we have here is a genre shift from Space Opera, to something else...and it's got some growing pains. Kind of like Kingdom of the Crystal Skull was a departure from Pulp to B-Movie Sci-Fi...but set in the same world with the same characters.

The Jedi were wrong. The Jedi were always wrong, and I think that's one of the reasons I really like Luke's arc. You can't have balance by eradicating one side of the equation.

At the end of the original trilogy there was a vacuum. The Republic was defeated, and Vader got his redemption arc, but...you can't have light without dark. You just can't. Nature abhors a vacuum.
So what you get is the First Order.

Just because you take down the leaders of an bad regime, that doesn't mean that the people who were supportive of that regime just....go away.
They might hide, but you can't kill an idea. Especially if it's held by a true believer of that idea.

So what we get between the end of Return and Awakens, well it's an intermediate period, for those that know their Ancient Egyptian history.
Or, should you be a musical theater buff, it's Act II of Into the Woods.

To me this makes sense. Especially if you consider the information we get in this movie. That the people in control are the ones with the most money, and those are the war profiteers. The ones who don't care who the new boss is, so long as they can continue to sell bullets to both sides.

It's all grey. We find balance in the grey.
And nature seeks equilibrium.

Now you can find that story not to your liking, but...I think it's one worth telling.

[sdp]

"Best movie since The Empire Strikes Back"

I'm actually surprised by fans dislike of the movie, it's only problems are the same ones that The Force Awakens has, it does drag, they could've easily cut the movie to under 2 hours but you can say that about most movies. I thought fans would eat it up like TFA.


Sorry, this will be my last rant before only replying to other people:

Finn: Wow, he was such an awesome character in TFA and wanted to see more of him and see him be more heroic and here they treated him like garbage.

Leia: Wow, she sucks, her being a general was the worst thing ever. Her character isn't that different from TFA but now she has more time and it's boring. Counting how well they handled Han Solo and Luke Skywalker, it's a shame Leia got the short end of the stick. I know this will be an unpopular opinion because Carrie Fisher passed away but she was easily the worst returning character and just a bad character overall. CG Leia in Rogue One was better.

BB8: Even he got very little time in the movie, and in this movie he definitely didn't have as much personality and seemed more like a boring R2D2 clone. C3PO and R2D2 also had very weak scenes along with Chewie, all these characters felt like "Oh they exist, let's give them something to do for a few seconds".

Poe: He got a lot of attention but he is boring, TFA did well on focusing more on Finn than Poe.

The bad general guy: I don't even know his name or care about him, even
Director Krennec(?) from Rogue One had more presence than this one even if he was underused in Rogue One.

The movie does have more humor than the average Star Wars film but it's not THAT much and for some reason it didn't bother me, I can see it being annoying if all future movies are like this (and likely will be) but far from a complain from me.

[Vegita-San]

unlike with force awakens, there seems to b e ALOT more 'hate' for this movie right out of the gate.

I'm noting alot more dislikes in comments than likes.

are people starting to realize disney wars really isn't all that original/great after all this fast?

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by Vegita-San

unlike with force awakens, there seems to b e ALOT more 'hate' for this movie right out of the gate.

I'm noting alot more dislikes in comments than likes.

are people starting to realize disney wars really isn't all that original/great after all this fast?

Probably. This was the last bastion.

TFA was the big remakey, "We have to make it remakey to undo all the damage of the prequels (which was a FAKE narrative)... now with that out of the way, we can do ALL NEW stuff!" movie. And if TFA was a structural, story return to ANH, "Rogue One" was a literal return to ANH. Now with "Last Jedi," we finally get the promised "ALL NEW stuff!" movie and it doesn't sound like it really has anything new to say.

[plastroncafe]

Having seen it, I don't think that's the case at all.
I think it has a lot to say, I don't know that it went the best possible route for saying it in all cases, but that doesn't change the fact that it had a whole lot to say.

[sdp]

We might have a new love triangle

Spoiler:

I hated that new character Rose and how they made her the love interest for Finn and they even kiss but thinking back when Rey sees Finn with her she seemed a little jealous, but it might just be my wishful thinking.

Not only did they treat Finn like a loser in this film but they also took away his love interest. If they actually make Rey not his love interest then yeah they f-cked Finn badly in the film. It'd be great to see him end up with Rey and they just tried to make some type of love triangle like in ESB but I might just be setting myself up for disappointment.

Originally Posted by plastroncafe

Having seen it, I don't think that's the case at all.
I think it has a lot to say, I don't know that it went the best possible route for saying it in all cases, but that doesn't change the fact that it had a whole lot to say.

And what exactly did it have to say?

[plastroncafe]

Originally Posted by sdp

Spoiler:

Not only did they treat Finn like a loser in this film but they also took away his love interest. If they actually make Rey not his love interest then yeah they f-cked Finn badly in the film. It'd be great to see him end up with Rey and they just tried to make some type of love triangle like in ESB but I might just be setting myself up for disappointment.

Spoiler:

TFA had a love triangle already.
So maybe it's a love quadrangle?

Personally, I hope that Rey doesn't end up with anyone.

I'm still boggled how Finn became a loser.
Sure he started out as one, but instead of running to save his own skin, this time he was running to save his friend's. That's not the action of a loser.

And what exactly did it have to say?

Spoiler:

I thought it dealt a lot with themes of nostalgia getting in the way of actual forward progress. The greater good of the long game vs the momentary elation of a quick win. How a change of address doesn't magically make one's problems go away. Grief, and the unhealthy ways we deal with it. Rigidity of thought and action, and how that's incompatible with life.

Stuff like that, which might not be your jam, but it sure as heck is mine.

[Andrew NDB]

Watching it tonight about 11. I wonder if my having read all the spoilers will temper my expectations.

[ZariusTwo]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

Watching it tonight about 11. I wonder if my having read all the spoilers will temper my expectations.

It did for me. Came out with plenty to dislike and like, just neither love nor loath