Star Wars Episode 8

[TigerClaw]

Originally Posted by Shark_Blade

I recently realized that purple hair woman Vice Admiral Amilyn Holdo was the woman from Jurassic Park! No wonder she looks familiar. Iconic.

Yep, that was Laura Dern.

[sdp]

Originally Posted by TigerClaw

I thought it was amazing, I don't get why some fans were hating on it.

That's because you're the Steve Wozniak and Stan Lee of the Drome, you like everything and only have positive thoughts about anything released or announced.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by sdp

That's because you're the Steve Wozniak and Stan Lee of the Drome, you like everything and only have positive thoughts about anything released or announced.

Or the Kevin Eastman.

[Sumac]

I never stop being amazed at stupidity and hypocrisy of some people.

I haven't watched the movie, but apparently it has ended up very divisive.
And some people absolutely believe that everyone who dislike this movie "old school un****able nerds-fanboys" and that all negative scores this movie receive from the Internet is apparently 4Chan's campaign to ruin scores of the movie.

I just can't...it's like people lose their brains when it comes to stuff like this.

[Vegita-San]

Originally Posted by Sumac

I just can't...it's like people lose their brains when it comes to stuff like this.

even movies have become very political. you can't just like or dislike anything anymore. it has to be extreme one side, or extreme the other.

[dl316bh]

Originally Posted by Vegita-San

even movies have become very political.

Movies have always been political.

[Vegita-San]

not to the insane levels of recent years...

[Andrew NDB]

Question: what happened to the other Knights of Ren? Did they become Snoke's guards? We didn't hear any mention of them in this movie.

[NinjaPug]

Originally Posted by Sumac

And some people absolutely believe that everyone who dislike this movie "old school un****able nerds-fanboys" and that all negative scores this movie receive from the Internet is apparently 4Chan's campaign to ruin scores of the movie.

I just can't...it's like people lose their brains when it comes to stuff like this.

Who said that the only people who dislike the movie are "old school un****able nerds-fanboys"?

Why do you think the online audience scores are drastically lower than the non-online ones?

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

Question: what happened to the other Knights of Ren? Did they become Snoke's guards? We didn't hear any mention of them in this movie.

And come to think of it... wait a minute. We saw Kylo WITH the Knights of Ren in the TFA flashback, destroying the Jedi temple, didn't we?

The flashbacks in TLJ, we see Luke contemplating killing Kylo, Kylo bringing down his bedroom onto Luke, and Luke emerging from the bedroom's rubble to see the temple destroyed.

That can't be right. Where did the Knights of Ren come from? Surely they weren't already there at the temple, and it wouldn't be like Kylo would already have his costume.

[Spike Spiegel]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

And come to think of it... wait a minute. We saw Kylo WITH the Knights of Ren in the TFA flashback, destroying the Jedi temple, didn't we?

The flashbacks in TLJ, we see Luke contemplating killing Kylo, Kylo bringing down his bedroom onto Luke, and Luke emerging from the bedroom's rubble to see the temple destroyed.

That can't be right. Where did the Knights of Ren come from? Surely they weren't already there at the temple, and it wouldn't be like Kylo would already have his costume.

They don't need to explain anything because they know people will buy tickets to the next one anyway.

[sdp]

I have seen a lot of "All the negative/mixed reviews are trolls/payed", the excuses are straight out of FAKE news articles on how to subdue and change the narrative of what is happening.

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

And come to think of it... wait a minute. We saw Kylo WITH the Knights of Ren in the TFA flashback, destroying the Jedi temple, didn't we?

Yes, the Knights of Ren seem to have all but been forgotten, even C-3PO's red arm at least have a comic explaining it.

Also am I the only one who thinks it was stupid that Snoke makes fun of Kylo's helmet and so he destroys it and now he just won't be using it?

Ugh. why did they give him a helmet at all?

[NinjaPug]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

And come to think of it... wait a minute. We saw Kylo WITH the Knights of Ren in the TFA flashback, destroying the Jedi temple, didn't we?

The flashbacks in TLJ, we see Luke contemplating killing Kylo, Kylo bringing down his bedroom onto Luke, and Luke emerging from the bedroom's rubble to see the temple destroyed.

That can't be right. Where did the Knights of Ren come from? Surely they weren't already there at the temple, and it wouldn't be like Kylo would already have his costume.

I didn't think Rey's Force vision of the KoR in TFA was at the Jedi temple. It was stupid to include them at all in TFA since all we got was the throwaway line about them and the quick scene of them with no context. They didn't even explain the Ren surname associated with joining the group.

I bet JJ brings them back in some way for IX since they were ignored in TLJ.

[Shark_Blade]

Originally Posted by sdp

Ugh. why did they give him a helmet at all?

To look cool. Cause he's a Vader fanboy desperately following his footsteps, so he wanted his own helmet too.

[Andrew NDB]

There is parts of 8 where it seemed like Johnson cast shade on Abrams.

Helmet? Stupid, let's get rid of it.
Snoke? No clue, let's get rid of him.
Phasma? How dumb, I'll just kill her again and show how dumb she is.
Rey giving Luke the lightsaber? What a dumb cliffhanger. I'll just have him throw it away.
Knights of Who? Don't need them.
General Hux? What a lame character. I want a scene to show just how lame he is.

[Sumac]

Originally Posted by Shark_Blade

To look cool. Cause he's a Vader fanboy desperately following his footsteps, so he wanted his own helmet too.

Never liked his helmet.
On the other hand, it's still better than his face.

Originally Posted by dl316bh

Movies have always been political.

Not to degree, when you have a good reasons to dislike them, some people instantly proclaim you to be bigot and troll.

[dl316bh]

Originally Posted by Vegita-San

not to the insane levels of recent years...

The original Star Wars was almost literally "scrappy underdogs fight space nazi's" and essentially championed rebelling against authority and shat on authoritarianism (f***, the prequels are half about the political downfall of the Republic and an attempt to show Democracy die in this universe to authoritarianism and how that could happen). How many Godzilla movies are anti-pollution and nuke? The entire Dirty Harry series, as well as other similar series like Death Wish, exists because of crackdowns on police behavior at one point and some people who made films deciding they didn't like that, so they glorified violent vigilantism of people outside the cops, showing the cops are magically ineffective to boot, doing what the cops couldn't and it doesn't matter if that's scary because they're doing what's right, man, which is shooting people. How many films in history have other countries fail to stop a threat only for America to be the one true heroes of the day, the sole rescuers of humanity? Rocky IV was literally "American is beaten down by a Russian, but keeps getting back up and defeats the Russian in Russia and gets Russia to cheer him" in the middle of the Cold War and it was not alone in that time period. Rambo was basically a film about police brutality, PTSD and the mistreatment of soldiers coming home from war by the government (a problem we NEVER fixed) and, in the context of 'Nam, the hippies who were against the war and spat on them. If I remember right, right wing outlets at the time didn't like the Iron Giant because of how it referred to guns and the dim look it took on Cold War paranoia. Every single cyberpunk story you've ever read or watched is a technophobic cautionary tale about unlimited corporate power, the good and bad possibilities of technology and how technology alone cannot save us.

The vast, vast majority of stories are political in SOME way, or will be interpreted that way, because they're made by people with personal politics and viewpoints. Maybe the politics are big or small, but they're there if you want to look. Times change, so the culture of the time changes to something different, the context fades and not everyone remembers what influenced something or why they came out the way they did. But that doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

Sorry to dump text on you, I just find the notion that movies are suddenly more political or influenced by them silly. A lot of stories are born out of it. Even the mindless action flicks you turn your brain off for generally have something going on.

Not to degree, when you have a good reasons to dislike them, some people instantly proclaim you to be bigot and troll.

That's not a recent phenomenon. If social media existed in all the decades prior to when it did, things would be no different. Hell, it would be worse in some eras. The difference is that back then your exposure was to who you knew, reviews and maybe, like, op-ed columns.

There is parts of 8 where it seemed like Johnson cast shade on Abrams.

This is funny when you realize Abrams is supposedly back for IX now.

[Sumac]

Originally Posted by dl316bh

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No-one argues with that.

Though it doesn't mean that if some people dislike movie, they immediately should written of as a bigots, fanboys and so on. Also, I don't see why every discussion should treat this stuff like a super SeRiouS BuSiNesS.

[snake]

Wow, this was f*cking awful. I've been in a SW induced depression for 2 days now because of this sh*tfest.

[dl316bh]

Originally Posted by Sumac

Though it doesn't mean that if some people dislike movie, they immediately should written of as a bigots, fanboys and so on. Also, I don't see why every discussion should treat this stuff like a super SeRiouS BuSiNesS.

I mainly balk at the idea it's at all recent. It's not. It's gone on since the internet started up and you had the first bulletin boards. When you have direct contact with more people with opposing opinions, some are going to butt heads and some will just be dicks. Like in real life. I've been on or lurked on a lot of forums like this, back when forums were still popular, and you'd get legendary flame wars. The only thing that's changed is venue, where nerd wars are on social media now.

If you want to argue that's bad, well, sure, I won't disagree that it sucks stuff can boil down to that, but that either requires policing - and hell, even moderators on forums couldn't keep a complete handle on it in the big forum days - or the internet going away, and it's a little late to put that genie back in the bottle.