Star Wars Episode 8

[NinjaPug]

Yeah there was a minor rewrite after TFA opened that pushed the start of filming from Jan 2016 to Feb 2016. The word then was that it was to beef up the roles of Poe and Finn based on the fan response from TFA. Who knows if that reason is legit.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by NinjaPug

The word then was that it was to beef up the roles of Poe and Finn based on the fan response from TFA.

Yeesh, I'd hate to see TLJ before their parts were "beefed up."

If that's even true.

[TigerClaw]

Here's Kevin Smith's review of The Last Jedi.
https://www.facebook.com/YesThatKevi...4895143831930/

[tomtmnt]

I love Star Wars but this was tripe.

I nearly fell asleep half way through. Sad times. Was hoping for so much more.

[Spike Spiegel]

After the dust settles, could this possibly be...a franchise killer? Or at least the one that takes a lot of steam out of the sail?

[Vegita-San]

I really hope so. It would be great to have the fans turn on disney the way they did for ghostbusters.

Disney isn't putting alot of thought into these things. Just look at the weak ass designs. I wasn't even sure what that donut shaped thing was supposed to be in snokes room until it was shown to be some kind of viewer or window.

and those silly looking guards with the knives(?) ugh....

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by Spike Spiegel

After the dust settles, could this possibly be...a franchise killer?

Not remotely. If anything, the polarizing audience reaction might make Disney tighten the corporate reins even moreso, creatively.

[victory_angel]

[CyberCubed]

It almost seems like this movie was made to make fun of Star Wars, but in a good way. Luke immediately throwing the lightsaber over his back after audiences waited 2 years to see how he'd react to Rey handing it to him.

I also LOVED the fact that Snoke told Kylo Ren to take off that "ridiculous helmet" and then he smashed it to bits. It's almost like they realized how idiotic it was to try and make him "Darth Vader Jr." and him smashing the helmet finally made him into his own character. If J.J. Abrams was the one to come up with that helmet, thank god the new director realized how stupid that was. I actually cheered when it happened.

I also loved the Yoda scene. It almost felt like something out of a parody almost. Like those "laughing Yoda" youtube videos you'd see. LOL. Luke making fun of the force to Rey almost was also good.

And as I said before, it made up for the poor showing up villains from Episode 7. Kylo Ren is now an actual good character, not the crappy Darth Vader wannabe he was in the previous movie, AND they killed off two generic villains who were overhyped and pointless to begin with (Snoke and Phasma). As I said I wish they killed off the other British General guy too, but I guess Kylo Ren needs someone to interact with but he's bland as hell.

It's also a million times better if Rey is not related to any Skywalkers or Han's family or Obi-wan or whoever. Why shouldn't she be a nobody? Anakin was almost a nobody, Yoda and Obi-wan and Qui-gonn were "nobodies" when they were first born. The force isn't a "chosen one" type thing, it's just random aliens or people who happen to be force sensitive.

And the complaints about the movie being too long? I don't know, it flew by for me. The casino scenes seem to be considered the slowest but I didn't think they were too bad.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

Why shouldn't she be a nobody?

I don't mind if she is, but if she is, they would still have to explain how she's like 10 times more proficient with the Force than Luke was in TESB right out of the box in TFA.

[CyberCubed]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

I don't mind if she is, but if she is, they would still have to explain how she's like 10 times more proficient with the Force than Luke was in TESB right out of the box in TFA.

[Krutch]

Speaking of midichlorians, I kinda hope they're mentioned again sometime. Not that I love the idea - quite the opposite. Introduce them as an old way of thinking and move on.

(still on his anti-Jedi kick from Last Jedi)
Luke: "There was even a time when the Jedi couldn't distinguish The Force from midichlorians."

Done and done.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by Krutch

Speaking of midichlorians, I kinda hope they're mentioned again sometime. Not that I love the idea - quite the opposite. Introduce them as an old way of thinking and move on.

(still on his anti-Jedi kick from Last Jedi)
Luke: "There was even a time when the Jedi couldn't distinguish The Force from midichlorians."

Done and done.

People still don't understand midi-chlorians...

Having a bunch of midi-chlorians doesn't mean you can use the Force, or representative of the Force itself... it just means that IF you're Force sensitive, your "strength" CAN be higher. That's the way it was explained.

It makes sense from a "let's weed out the people who can't ever actually use the Force" standpoint. Why should the Jedi Council train 1,000 people if only 50 in them have any chance of using the Force? It certainly shouldn't be that just ANYONE can use the Force. If Wedge Antilles or Han Solo can just train really hard for weeks and suddenly can move stuff around with their minds, that's lame.

I never understood the flak the midi-chlorians got. Mostly it seems to stem from people misunderstanding what they were, I think.

[TigerClaw]

I'm fine with Rey being a nobody, cause when you look at it, Anakin was a nobody, and then he became a somebody, the same can be said about Rey, she is a nobody, that's going to become a somebody in the future.

[CyberCubed]

So after seeing the movie, what was the big "plot twist" people were complaining about online saying, "this is not like Star Wars?"

As I was watching through the movie I was wondering what it was people were complaining about. I thought we'd see something like Rey turn to the dark side and join Kylo Ren, or Luke have some truly controversial in his backstory in the past, or some new canon changing moment...but...none of that happened?

Nothing in the movie made me feel like, "this isn't Star Wars" and no character did something too controversial. I assumed it was Luke almost killing Kylo Ren in his sleep, but even then he restrained himself and couldn't do it so it was in character and I loved that scene. Or Leia surviving in space?

Either I'm reading too many posts from hardcore Star Wars nerds, but I don't get what scene it was that had people up in arms? Did anyone honestly like Snoke? I don't get it.

[plastroncafe]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

I don't mind if she is, but if she is, they would still have to explain how she's like 10 times more proficient with the Force than Luke was in TESB right out of the box in TFA.

How about: The Force moves in mysterious ways.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

So after seeing the movie, what was the big "plot twist" people were complaining about online saying, "this is not like Star Wars?"

That's part of the narrative now. Mostly I'm seeing people complaining about how a big chunk of the movie amounts to nothing and a lot of big logic points.

Either I'm reading too many posts from hardcore Star Wars nerds, but I don't get what scene it was that had people up in arms? Did anyone honestly like Snoke? I don't get it.

Did anyone like the Emperor after seeing his hologram in TESB? Not really. I mean, we knew we'd probably meet him soon afterward. A hologram is literally how Snoke shows up in TFA... and now that we get to the "Meet Snoke" movie 2 years later, it's fine that they kill him but surely providing us with even his basic most motivations and intentions should have taken place at some point before doing so, yeah?

[CyberCubed]

I'm sure we'll get endless novels and comics filling in Snoke's backstory for people who are interested in that sort of thing, but I don't think it really mattered that much. We know he's the one who turned Kylo Ren and took over the Empire (assumingly not long after the events of Episode 6...I dunno?), but he felt like nothing more than a generic evil character. He felt like a plot device and nothing more. Killing him off quickly gave Kylo Ren much needed time to grow and he's clearly the star of the new trilogy aside from Rey.

To be honest outside of now Kylo Ren, that's how I felt about all the new villains. Captain Phasma is just a design with no real character, Snoke was just the generic big bad, and Hux might very well be the most boring and generic Star Wars villain of all time. I was really hoping Hux would die when Kylo Ren force choked him, I can't believe he's making it through the entire new trilogy. I mean goodness, what even is Hux? Every time he's on screen he just feels like any other generic captain/general in any type of media.

Scaling down the villains to basically just Kylo Ren was a great idea and made him an actual interesting character. Previous Star Wars movies suffered from too many villains (the prequels with Count Dooku, Grievous, Darth Maul, etc.), or even the original trilogy with Jabba the Hutt and Boba Fett even though I like them. The movies always tend to rush through villains or make the mistake of including too many villains.

[Sumac]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

I'm sure we'll get endless novels and comics filling in Snoke's backstory for people who are interested in that sort of thing, but I don't think it really mattered that much.

I've already explained why it was wrong - in OT having Emperor with no backstory was fine, since it was just "thing in itself". Now, it won't cut out - SW much bigger and much more story behind it and its characters, and having big player like Snoke coming out of nowhere and BE no-one of importance, is just lazy.

[TigerClaw]

I think Star Wars has to grow beyond the Skywalker family, its why Rian Johnson is working on this new trilogy afterward, to tell stories of other people who made a difference in this universe.