Star Wars Episode 8 - Page 47

*CyberCubed* · 12-20-2017, 05:07 PM

As for Maz, I'm not sure what to think about her. Didn't she say Chewy was her boyfriend in TFA or was that supposed to be a joke?

I do want to know why she had Luke's lightsaber, I feel like that's the only question from TFA that should have gotten some answer, unlike Rey's parents being important or Snoke saying how he rose to power in the year 836 A.D. and was Darth Sidious' younger brother cousin.

*sdp* · 12-20-2017, 05:14 PM

With the mixed reactions and the fact that JJ is coming back I wouldn't be surprised if Disney just tells Abrahams to reset everything from TLJ. JJ likely wants his vision of the trilogy that he had when he made TFA and now that TLJ got this response he will have full control to "make thigns right. Remember that Trevorrow was basically fired for not wanting to do the thigns Disney wanted for Ep.IX.

Captain Phasma will be back.
Snoke could come back.
Rey could get parents.
Maz would come back and be important.
Force ghost Luke tells Rey he acted like that because it was part of her training.

The Mouse is going to "keep it safe" for Ep. IX

Also, if at the end of the film the good guys are the underdogs while the First Order are basically the new Empire. Doesn't that mean that even when the new Rebels defeat the First Order again we're back to ROTJ? Where they gave a "lethal blow" to the First Order but they still have plenty of influence and "IT"S NOT LOGICAL FOR THE FIRST ORDER JUST TO BE GONE LIKE THAT IT MAKES COMPLETE SENSE FOR THEM TO STILL BE AROUND". I mean TLJ let's us know that the resistance/rebels no longer have influence in the galaxy again, it's the first order that rules.

*TigerClaw* · 12-20-2017, 05:16 PM

Star Wars: The Last Jedi is proof that a franchise needs to mature with its fans
https://www.polygon.com/2017/12/20/1...edi-skywalkers

*CyberCubed* · 12-20-2017, 05:24 PM

The only thing I could see J.J. Abrams going back on is Rey's parents, but I hope they don't. Luke said "Who are you?" to Rey meaning he never saw her before, and her being related to Obi-wan or anyone else just wouldn't make sense either. Seeing her just be a "normal person" from random nobodies fits better, and makes her less of a generic "chosen one" like other series does.

I don't think they'll bother bringing Snoke back. He was cut in half, his eyes were lifeless, and unlike Darth Maul falling down a chute, he literally lay their dead for that long scene of them fighting the red imperial guards and then Kylo Ren and Rey trying to convince each other to join each others sides. The audiences expectations for Snoke are also now over due to this film, unlike the speculation from Episode 7 so nobody is going to think to see him again.

I do think Episode 9 will have a typical happy ending. Kylo Ren will be defeated or killed, the First Order will be gone, and the heroes rejoice.

*plastroncafe* · 12-20-2017, 05:28 PM

Would it really even be considered "going back" if we got to meet Rey's parents?
Take who that information came from. Kylo Ren is a liar, why are we suddenly supposed to just believe him?

*Andrew NDB* · 12-20-2017, 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by CyberCubed

Luke said "Who are you?" to Rey meaning he never saw her before

If her mother left Luke when she was (barely) pregnant, that wouldn't be untrue.

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and her being related to Obi-wan or anyone else just wouldn't make sense either.

If Plagueis created Anakin inside Shmi to fulfill some Sith prophecy that Palpatine inherited, it would make a lot of sense to me if Plagueis (if he's Snoke, or someone else) tried it again with Rey.

The Obi-Wan thing is weird. The closest she could be to him is his granddaughter, and that's not very exciting.

Benicio Del Toro's DJ character could end up being the dad, coming back with a change of heart in IX.

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I don't think they'll bother bringing Snoke back. He was cut in half, his eyes were lifeless, and unlike Darth Maul falling down a chute, he literally lay their dead for that long scene of them fighting the red imperial guards and then Kylo Ren and Rey trying to convince each other to join each others sides.

I don't necessarily think you're wrong, but I'm not entirely convinced either. We don't even know what Snoke's pre-existing injuries were. It kind of looks like someone split his head in half with a lightsaber and then the head healed itself back together wrong... so maybe he has another trick up his sleeve, or some secret tech or powers. Wasn't one of the last things he barked at Rey that "I cannot die!" or something somesuch? Maybe he was being a blowhard in saying that... maybe not.

*sdp* · 12-20-2017, 05:35 PM

I never liked the Obi Wan grand daughter or whatever theory, the problem with Rey is they tried to make it a big mystery but the only cool outcome was for her to be a Skywalker somehow which even the second trailer alludes to. Of course that was also the most predictable outcome, when we saw Finn and Rey we knew Rey was the "skywalker". I do think the "Episodes" have to deal with the Skywalker line somehow. Having Rey have no parents while not the worst thing they could do is still underwhelming, especially since they built the trilogy on the mystery of who she was as I mentioned before.

We still have it with Kylo but that's another problem, having him repeat Anakin/Vader is tough. I really wish they'd had the big kahuna's and had both Rey and Ben form an alliance to get rid of the first order, resistance, jedi and sith like he mentioned. That would've been an awesome cliffhanger. If we think about it they're now the bad guys but at the same time they aren't, it depends on the point of view and would give us a totally different Episode IX, instead of the predictable by the numbers sequel we're going to get which just replicates ROTJ.

Think about it, if Kylo turns to the light side then it was just a remake of the Vader storyline, if he doesn't then Han Solo died like a chump and still doesn't make the movie better that "he never turned back". It's a lose/lose situation, neither outcome is exciting.

*NinjaPug* · 12-20-2017, 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by CyberCubed

The only thing I could see J.J. Abrams going back on is Rey's parents, but I hope they don't. Luke said "Who are you?" to Rey meaning he never saw her before, and her being related to Obi-wan or anyone else just wouldn't make sense either. Seeing her just be a "normal person" from random nobodies fits better, and makes her less of a generic "chosen one" like other series does.

I don't think they'll bother bringing Snoke back. He was cut in half, his eyes were lifeless, and unlike Darth Maul falling down a chute, he literally lay their dead for that long scene of them fighting the red imperial guards and then Kylo Ren and Rey trying to convince each other to join each others sides. The audiences expectations for Snoke are also now over due to this film, unlike the speculation from Episode 7 so nobody is going to think to see him again.

I do think Episode 9 will have a typical happy ending. Kylo Ren will be defeated or killed, the First Order will be gone, and the heroes rejoice.

Somehow I missed this originally but according to this JJ and Rian are on the same page about Rey's parentage.

http://collider.com/star-wars-reys-parents-answer/

~~Vegita-San~~ · 12-20-2017, 06:18 PM

Well, a bit of damage control to me. they HAVE to be now. they change it again and they'll upset even more devoted fans.

Rian screwed the pooch writing this thing too damn early.

'I'm getting a bit of ghostbusters dejvu for....' Oh for Craps sake give it a rest already 'progressive' internet article writers. if the movie stinks, it stinks. stop trying to blame it on something else.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/scottme.../#496212d7cd3f

*NinjaPug* · 12-20-2017, 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Vegita-San

Well, a bit of damage control to me. they HAVE to be now. they change it again and they'll upset even more devoted fans.

Rian screwed the pooch writing this thing too damn early.

'I'm getting a bit of ghostbusters dejvu for....' Oh for Craps sake give it a rest already 'progressive' internet article writers. if the movie stinks, it stinks. stop trying to blame it on something else.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/scottme.../#496212d7cd3f

I don't think it's damage control when the article about Rey's parents came out weeks before anyone saw the movie.

~~Vegita-San~~ · 12-20-2017, 06:34 PM

whoops.
I just read the article title. I assumed it was something recent.

But after having read it, it PROVES disney has no real plan here.

Abhrams told him, but rian wasn't supposed to follow it and could come up with something on his own? how does that sound like a game plan?

*CyberCubed* · 12-20-2017, 06:39 PM

What does that have to do with anything? If J.J. Abrams had no plans for Rey's parents to be anyone important, and Rian Johnson didn't either, then...they're both on the same page?

*Shark_Blade* · 12-20-2017, 07:56 PM

The craziest character in Star Wars history is the guy who tastes a new planet and goes “salt.” ****ing lunatic.

KYLO: The Resistance is over, and the Jedi will die forev—
SOLDIER: (tastes planet)
KYLO: Why’d you do that?
SOLDIER: I dunno.
KYLO: ...For God's sake

LUKE: Every part of that was wr—
KYLO: That guy just ate dirt.
LUKE: What?
SOLDIER: It’s fine. It’s salt.
KYLO: YOU DIDN’T KNOW THAT!

SOLDIER: Just go... go back to what you guys were doing.
LUKE: Dude. Don’t taste a new planet. I mean, who— (chuckles)
KYLO: Right?!

LUKE: What’s your deal? You w/ them?
KYLO: He is NOT my guy. Ew.
LUKE: You do this a lot?
SOLDIER: No!
LUKE: (closes eyes) You’ve tasted 14 planets

*CyberCubed* · 12-20-2017, 08:36 PM

I'm surprised by the lack of new planets in the movie, most of the movie felt like it was set in space.

All we got was Luke's island (which barely counts), the casino world planet, and then Krait (I think that's the name?) where it was basically just another ice planet with a bunker.

~~Sumac~~ · 12-20-2017, 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by victory_angel

The one question I brought up to my mother after the movie is where is this franchise going to go now. It’s obvious that the story is going in a direction that feels new and people are either liking this direction or are immediately saying that it makes the franchise unrecognizable. But there is a set up for something big on the horizon which will come to a head in episode 9.

How Rebels against (pseudo)-Empire is something new?

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Originally Posted by plastroncafe

It's almost like it's echoing events in the real world...

It's almost like every piece of media should promote your agenda.
Which laughable and stinks of an attempt to turn everything into propaganda piece, which is has nothing to do with freedom, but quite opposite.

*Andrew NDB* · 12-20-2017, 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by CyberCubed

I'm surprised by the lack of new planets in the movie, most of the movie felt like it was set in space.

All we got was Luke's island (which barely counts), the casino world planet, and then Krait (I think that's the name?) where it was basically just another ice planet with a bunker.

If one were to break it down in terms of actual new planets (and c'mon... FAKE Tattooine really shouldn't count, and that Resistance staging planet in TFA might as well have been a different part of Naboo), battles in space, new ships, new starfighters and actual lightsaber fights... between TFA and TLJ aren't really carrying their weight in this trilogy when weighed against the rest.

*CyberCubed* · 12-20-2017, 09:49 PM

To be fair there's only so many type of planet designs you can do:

1. Sand = Tatooine and Jakku

2. Ice/snow = Hoth and Crait

3. Forest = Endor, planet in Episode 7 where Maz was

4. Fire/volcano = Episode III planet where Obi-wan/Anakin fought, or Sullust

5. Swamp = Degobah

6. Cloud = Cloud City/Bespin

7. Underwater = Naboo, Underwater city

8. Casino = Episode 8

9. Beach/tropical = Scariff in Rogue One

Then you just have the usual futuristic looking cities/planets with huge buildings and flying cars, which is basically every other planet.

*Andrew NDB* · 12-20-2017, 10:38 PM

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Originally Posted by CyberCubed

2. Ice/snow = Hoth and Crait

But Crait was neither ice nor snow.

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Originally Posted by CyberCubed

I'm surprised by the lack of new planets in the movie, most of the movie felt like it was set in space.

True... but almost none of TFA was set in space. There's a little bit of a balance there, whether intentional or not.

*TigerClaw* · 12-20-2017, 10:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

But Crait was neither ice nor snow.

Yeah, Crait is a mineral planet, its covered in salt.

It's based on a real place that has a salt flat
https://www.mnn.com/earth-matters/wi...salar-de-uyuni

*Andrew NDB* · 12-21-2017, 12:07 AM

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Originally Posted by TigerClaw

Yeah, Crait is a mineral planet, its covered in salt.

Granted, it's a little troubling that they just had to have the second installment in a new trilogy where the last one was beyond heavily criticized for slavishly following the first installment of the last one... with Walkers on a white planet with essentially skiffs flying about them, when that same thing was like the most iconic scene of that movie. Admittedly, nothing really comes of the New Walkers... but they're there. And why are they even there?

12-20-2017, 05:14 PM	#922
sdp Detoxed Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Tokio, Italy Posts: 11,222	With the mixed reactions and the fact that JJ is coming back I wouldn't be surprised if Disney just tells Abrahams to reset everything from TLJ. JJ likely wants his vision of the trilogy that he had when he made TFA and now that TLJ got this response he will have full control to "make thigns right. Remember that Trevorrow was basically fired for not wanting to do the thigns Disney wanted for Ep.IX. Captain Phasma will be back. Snoke could come back. Rey could get parents. Maz would come back and be important. Force ghost Luke tells Rey he acted like that because it was part of her training. The Mouse is going to "keep it safe" for Ep. IX Also, if at the end of the film the good guys are the underdogs while the First Order are basically the new Empire. Doesn't that mean that even when the new Rebels defeat the First Order again we're back to ROTJ? Where they gave a "lethal blow" to the First Order but they still have plenty of influence and "IT"S NOT LOGICAL FOR THE FIRST ORDER JUST TO BE GONE LIKE THAT IT MAKES COMPLETE SENSE FOR THEM TO STILL BE AROUND". I mean TLJ let's us know that the resistance/rebels no longer have influence in the galaxy again, it's the first order that rules. __________________ *Trapt* *urself Page MiscRave!!!* Click to join The Drome Discord server

12-20-2017, 05:16 PM	#923
TigerClaw Mutant Tiger Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Hialeah, Florida, USA Posts: 14,165	Star Wars: The Last Jedi is proof that a franchise needs to mature with its fans https://www.polygon.com/2017/12/20/1...edi-skywalkers __________________ Follow me on my Tiktok https://www.tiktok.com/@tygerclaw305

12-20-2017, 05:35 PM	#927
sdp Detoxed Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Tokio, Italy Posts: 11,222	I never liked the Obi Wan grand daughter or whatever theory, the problem with Rey is they tried to make it a big mystery but the only cool outcome was for her to be a Skywalker somehow which even the second trailer alludes to. Of course that was also the most predictable outcome, when we saw Finn and Rey we knew Rey was the "skywalker". I do think the "Episodes" have to deal with the Skywalker line somehow. Having Rey have no parents while not the worst thing they could do is still underwhelming, especially since they built the trilogy on the mystery of who she was as I mentioned before. We still have it with Kylo but that's another problem, having him repeat Anakin/Vader is tough. I really wish they'd had the big kahuna's and had both Rey and Ben form an alliance to get rid of the first order, resistance, jedi and sith like he mentioned. That would've been an awesome cliffhanger. If we think about it they're now the bad guys but at the same time they aren't, it depends on the point of view and would give us a totally different Episode IX, instead of the predictable by the numbers sequel we're going to get which just replicates ROTJ. Think about it, if Kylo turns to the light side then it was just a remake of the Vader storyline, if he doesn't then Han Solo died like a chump and still doesn't make the movie better that "he never turned back". It's a lose/lose situation, neither outcome is exciting. __________________ *Trapt* *urself Page MiscRave!!!* Click to join The Drome Discord server

12-20-2017, 05:07 PM	#921
CyberCubed Overlord Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 43,881	As for Maz, I'm not sure what to think about her. Didn't she say Chewy was her boyfriend in TFA or was that supposed to be a joke? I do want to know why she had Luke's lightsaber, I feel like that's the only question from TFA that should have gotten some answer, unlike Rey's parents being important or Snoke saying how he rose to power in the year 836 A.D. and was Darth Sidious' younger brother cousin.

12-20-2017, 05:24 PM	#924
CyberCubed Overlord Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 43,881	The only thing I could see J.J. Abrams going back on is Rey's parents, but I hope they don't. Luke said "Who are you?" to Rey meaning he never saw her before, and her being related to Obi-wan or anyone else just wouldn't make sense either. Seeing her just be a "normal person" from random nobodies fits better, and makes her less of a generic "chosen one" like other series does. I don't think they'll bother bringing Snoke back. He was cut in half, his eyes were lifeless, and unlike Darth Maul falling down a chute, he literally lay their dead for that long scene of them fighting the red imperial guards and then Kylo Ren and Rey trying to convince each other to join each others sides. The audiences expectations for Snoke are also now over due to this film, unlike the speculation from Episode 7 so nobody is going to think to see him again. I do think Episode 9 will have a typical happy ending. Kylo Ren will be defeated or killed, the First Order will be gone, and the heroes rejoice.

12-20-2017, 06:18 PM	#929
~~Vegita-San~~ Banned Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 6,089	Well, a bit of damage control to me. they HAVE to be now. they change it again and they'll upset even more devoted fans. Rian screwed the pooch writing this thing too damn early. 'I'm getting a bit of ghostbusters dejvu for....' Oh for Craps sake give it a rest already 'progressive' internet article writers. if the movie stinks, it stinks. stop trying to blame it on something else. https://www.forbes.com/sites/scottme.../#496212d7cd3f

12-20-2017, 06:34 PM	#931
~~Vegita-San~~ Banned Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 6,089	whoops. I just read the article title. I assumed it was something recent. But after having read it, it PROVES disney has no real plan here. Abhrams told him, but rian wasn't supposed to follow it and could come up with something on his own? how does that sound like a game plan?

12-20-2017, 06:39 PM	#932
CyberCubed Overlord Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 43,881	What does that have to do with anything? If J.J. Abrams had no plans for Rey's parents to be anyone important, and Rian Johnson didn't either, then...they're both on the same page?

12-20-2017, 07:56 PM	#933
Shark_Blade Emperor Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 7,909	The craziest character in Star Wars history is the guy who tastes a new planet and goes “salt.” ****ing lunatic. KYLO: The Resistance is over, and the Jedi will die forev— SOLDIER: (tastes planet) KYLO: Why’d you do that? SOLDIER: I dunno. KYLO: ...For God's sake LUKE: Every part of that was wr— KYLO: That guy just ate dirt. LUKE: What? SOLDIER: It’s fine. It’s salt. KYLO: YOU DIDN’T KNOW THAT! SOLDIER: Just go... go back to what you guys were doing. LUKE: Dude. Don’t taste a new planet. I mean, who— (chuckles) KYLO: Right?! LUKE: What’s your deal? You w/ them? KYLO: He is NOT my guy. Ew. LUKE: You do this a lot? SOLDIER: No! LUKE: (closes eyes) You’ve tasted 14 planets

12-20-2017, 08:36 PM	#934
CyberCubed Overlord Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 43,881	I'm surprised by the lack of new planets in the movie, most of the movie felt like it was set in space. All we got was Luke's island (which barely counts), the casino world planet, and then Krait (I think that's the name?) where it was basically just another ice planet with a bunker.

12-20-2017, 09:49 PM	#937
CyberCubed Overlord Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 43,881	To be fair there's only so many type of planet designs you can do: 1. Sand = Tatooine and Jakku 2. Ice/snow = Hoth and Crait 3. Forest = Endor, planet in Episode 7 where Maz was 4. Fire/volcano = Episode III planet where Obi-wan/Anakin fought, or Sullust 5. Swamp = Degobah 6. Cloud = Cloud City/Bespin 7. Underwater = Naboo, Underwater city 8. Casino = Episode 8 9. Beach/tropical = Scariff in Rogue One Then you just have the usual futuristic looking cities/planets with huge buildings and flying cars, which is basically every other planet.