Is Eastern animation influencing Western animation?

*Papenbrook* · 05-18-2018, 04:35 PM

I think so.

They seem to be getting more similar to each other. Nowadays, you can hardly tell the difference between them.

*CyberCubed* · 05-18-2018, 04:37 PM

Not since the early/mid 2000's. There was a time anime was influencing the west, look at Teen Titans 2003 or Avatar: The Last Airbender, etc....but it seems like that stopped after the anime craze in the west died down after the late 90's and early 2000's.

Most cartoons made today don't look anything like anime, you'd have to look at stuff made from 2000-2009 or so to see that influence.

*sdp* · 05-18-2018, 04:41 PM

The influence was all over the place in the 00s but in the 2010s it hasn't been as strong.

*Papenbrook* · 05-18-2018, 04:57 PM

Okay, I think I'm seriously done with Western cartoons!

Like, I have so many problems with them! Like, literally!

Spoiler for The "not really that surprising, just totally upsetting" LIST:

Those were my list of grievances that pertain to the current, on-going animation industry.

Let's hope that it crashes soon.

*Original TMNT Cartoon Fan* · 05-18-2018, 05:24 PM

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Not since the early/mid 2000's. There was a time anime was influencing the west, look at Teen Titans 2003 or Avatar: The Last Airbender, etc

And 4 Kids TMNT.

*plastroncafe* · 05-18-2018, 05:27 PM

Aren't most "western animated" shows actually animated in Korea and Japan?

*PApagreg* · 05-18-2018, 05:37 PM

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There's too much nepotism going on within the animation industry.

List some examples

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Cartoons used to teach morals more visibly, explicitly, and directly. Now, they usually hide behind subtext and metaphors.

Whats wrong with that

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Lately, almost all cartoons (as in, the vast majority of them) have the same bright coloring. Stop. Being. CHEAP!!!

I can think of 4 cartoons that have similar bright coloring

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They also have nearly identical line-work. So much so, that it should be considered plagiarism.

I mean thick outlines were popular for comedy cartoons in the late 90s and early 2000s

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There's Wwwaaaaayyyyyyy too many Anime influences/ references. Like, can you be inspired by something else?!

I can only think of 4 shows that have a lot of anime refrences

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There's endless memes and lingo. Like, everywhere! Make it stop!

Memes and lingo have been a thing since the begginging of animation, remember Cowabunga

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And lastly, ... stop the "LOLSORANDOM!" humor/ dancing! It's ... not ... that ... FUNNY! And I'm ... not ... LAUGHING!

Again has been a staple of animation for years also comedy is based on the unexpected.

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Those were my list of grievances that pertain to the current, on-going animation industry.

Let's hope that it crashes soon.

Well seeing how its making a lot of money I doubt it.

*FredWolfLeonardo* · 05-18-2018, 05:40 PM

Yes, I do think they're influencing each other. Even the tmnt 1987 cartoon had anime influences, and it was before the time that anime became a massive success in the West.

I like both, but personally prefer Western animation as a whole. The only notable animes I've been into are Pokemon, Digimon and Dragonball Z, as well Miyazaki films.

*Powder* · 05-18-2018, 06:56 PM

Assuming this isn't a troll thread... They definitely borrow aesthetic things from one another on occasion, but your level of hyperbole is off the charts here.

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Originally Posted by Papenbrook

They seem to be getting more similar to each other. Nowadays, you can hardly tell the difference between them.

You can't tell the difference between these?

*ssjup81* · 05-18-2018, 07:55 PM

Western animation influenced eastern animation first...well, as far as Japan anyway.

*CyberCubed* · 05-18-2018, 08:37 PM

Nick's TMNT also had those anime exaggerrated expressions in the show. No TMNT cartoon had those before. The giant heads, the small eyes, the blushes, the cutesy look, the angry/mad expressions...it's all anime.

*Papenbrook* · 05-18-2018, 08:53 PM

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Assuming this isn't a troll thread... They definitely borrow aesthetic things from one another on occasion, but your level of hyperbole is off the charts here.

Okay, I'll admit. I was being a little overboard.

But I feel that Western animation has only gotten worse as the years went by. It sent me into a frustration that I never knew I had.

I guess I just felt passionate about it.

*Powder* · 05-18-2018, 09:22 PM

I agree with you, but that's not Japan's fault.

*Wildcat* · 05-19-2018, 01:42 AM

I assume this thread was brought on by the new Thundercats. Anyway, no. Maybe in certain cases but everyone barrows from something. There’s definitely still good cartoons.

Not everything is lolsorandom based just certain ones and art style really depends on the cartoon.

I don’t understand saying there’s a bunch of nepotism in cartoons.

*plastroncafe* · 05-19-2018, 07:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Papenbrook

Okay, I'll admit. I was being a little overboard.

But I feel that Western animation has only gotten worse as the years went by. It sent me into a frustration that I never knew I had.

I guess I just felt passionate about it.

It hasn't gotten worse, you just don't like it. Those statements do not mean the same thing.

*Cure* · 05-19-2018, 08:32 AM

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It hasn't gotten worse, you just don't like it. Those statements do not mean the same thing.

Yeah, that's pretty much it.

*Coola Yagami* · 05-19-2018, 09:46 AM

I don't know.... barring a few exceptions it seems anime strives to work harder to provide better animation.... while, also barring a few exceptions, American cartoons strive to use any shortcut they can to make easier and sloppier animation.

Anime wants to impress you and get you invested, pumped for battle.

American cartoons are like 'LOL who cares, it's for stupid kids! they'll eat up whatever **** we throw at them!'

TMNT_Guy · 05-19-2018, 11:04 AM

Anyone remember that old Strong Bad Email where he was asked what he'd look like as an anime? I feel like most of the design choices made ("Head shaped like a little bean, mouth really tiny when closed but ridiculously huge when it's open", etc) apply to most western cartoons nowadays.

Spoiler:

*CyberCubed* · 05-19-2018, 12:01 PM

Western cartoons got really good from around the early/mid 90's through about 2009 or so, then they got worse again in the 2010's bar a few standouts like Young Justice, Legend of Korra, the Star Wars cartoons, etc.

Of course I'm not counting adult comedies here. There's also always a market for Simpsons, Family Guy, American Dad, Bob's Burgers, etc. that people watch.

*plastroncafe* · 05-19-2018, 12:22 PM

All three of your examples are animated in the East, and are heavily influenced by anime.
Studio Mir, which was the studio behind most of Korra and the current run of Voltron is headquarters in South Korea.

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Papenbrook I'm leaving. Goodbye. :) Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: No comment -_- ... Posts: 2,754	Okay, I think I'm seriously done with Western cartoons! Like, I have so many problems with them! Like, literally! Spoiler for The "not really that surprising, just totally upsetting" LIST: Cartoons seem to have the same simplified, bean-like art-style. There's too much nepotism going on within the animation industry. Cartoons used to teach morals more visibly, explicitly, and directly. Now, they usually hide behind subtext and metaphors. Lately, almost all cartoons (as in, the vast majority of them) have the same bright coloring. Stop. Being. CHEAP!!! They also have nearly identical line-work. So much so, that it should be considered plagiarism. There's Wwwaaaaayyyyyyy too many Anime influences/ references. Like, can you be inspired by something else?! There's endless memes and lingo. Like, everywhere! Make it stop! And lastly, ... stop the "LOLSORANDOM!" humor/ dancing! It's ... not ... that ... FUNNY! And I'm ... not ... LAUGHING! Those were my list of grievances that pertain to the current, on-going animation industry. Let's hope that it crashes soon. Last edited by Papenbrook; 04-14-2021 at 05:15 PM.

05-19-2018, 01:42 AM	#14
Wildcat Foot Elite Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: AZ Posts: 3,516	I assume this thread was brought on by the new Thundercats. Anyway, no. Maybe in certain cases but everyone barrows from something. There’s definitely still good cartoons. Not everything is lolsorandom based just certain ones and art style really depends on the cartoon. I don’t understand saying there’s a bunch of nepotism in cartoons. __________________ Nothing can survive the will to stay alive, cause if you try, you can do anything.

05-19-2018, 09:46 AM	#17
Coola Yagami Overlord Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 15,717	I don't know.... barring a few exceptions it seems anime strives to work harder to provide better animation.... while, also barring a few exceptions, American cartoons strive to use any shortcut they can to make easier and sloppier animation. Anime wants to impress you and get you invested, pumped for battle. American cartoons are like 'LOL who cares, it's for stupid kids! they'll eat up whatever **** we throw at them!' __________________ "I was down with TMNT once, but then they changed what TMNT was. Now what I was down with is no longer TMNT and what TMNT now is seems weird and scary. And it'll happen to YOU." Check out my blog for Comic Reviews and other things. https://markepicblogofrandomness.blogspot.com/ I also started The AEW Crew, the All Elite Wrestling Fan Club! https://www.facebook.com/groups/637508120044168/

05-18-2018, 04:37 PM	#2
CyberCubed Overlord Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 43,887	Not since the early/mid 2000's. There was a time anime was influencing the west, look at Teen Titans 2003 or Avatar: The Last Airbender, etc....but it seems like that stopped after the anime craze in the west died down after the late 90's and early 2000's. Most cartoons made today don't look anything like anime, you'd have to look at stuff made from 2000-2009 or so to see that influence.

05-18-2018, 07:55 PM	#10
ssjup81 Foot Elite Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Central Virginia (Back in the US) Posts: 4,734	Western animation influenced eastern animation first...well, as far as Japan anyway.

05-18-2018, 08:37 PM	#11
CyberCubed Overlord Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 43,887	Nick's TMNT also had those anime exaggerrated expressions in the show. No TMNT cartoon had those before. The giant heads, the small eyes, the blushes, the cutesy look, the angry/mad expressions...it's all anime.

05-18-2018, 09:22 PM	#13
Powder 40 Years of TMNT Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Shell-Ri-La Posts: 26,956	I agree with you, but that's not Japan's fault.

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TMNT_Guy Stone Warrior Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Home, PA Posts: 620	Anyone remember that old Strong Bad Email where he was asked what he'd look like as an anime? I feel like most of the design choices made ("Head shaped like a little bean, mouth really tiny when closed but ridiculously huge when it's open", etc) apply to most western cartoons nowadays. Spoiler: __________________

05-19-2018, 12:01 PM	#19
CyberCubed Overlord Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 43,887	Western cartoons got really good from around the early/mid 90's through about 2009 or so, then they got worse again in the 2010's bar a few standouts like Young Justice, Legend of Korra, the Star Wars cartoons, etc. Of course I'm not counting adult comedies here. There's also always a market for Simpsons, Family Guy, American Dad, Bob's Burgers, etc. that people watch.