Another movie from Platinum Dunes in the works - new writer hired

[Krutch]

Originally Posted by Diorm

In "The Dark Knight", Batman let his ex die to save her current boyfriend, Harvey Dent, for the good of the city.

It was a breath of fresh air.

Well yeah only because he was tricked by Joker.

[Redeemer]

Originally Posted by Diorm

In "The Dark Knight", Batman let his ex die to save her current boyfriend, Harvey Dent, for the good of the city.

It was a breath of fresh air.

Originally Posted by Krutch

Well yeah only because he was tricked by Joker.

Yeah Batman tried and meant to save Rachel, not Harvey. The Joker tricked him.

[Sumac]

Originally Posted by Diorm

In "The Dark Knight", Batman let his ex die to save her current boyfriend, Harvey Dent, for the good of the city.

It was a breath of fresh air.

Good one.

[Leo656]

S'what she gets for trying to pass for Katie Holmes.

"A Half-Melted Katie Holmes Wax Candle", maybe. Yeeeeesh. I would'a been upset seeing Katie get blown up; with Maggie, it's like "Ahhh, cool, now I don't have to keep seeing That Face in giant widescreen."

She and Sarah Jessica Parker could start a "Women Society Pretends Are Super Hot When The Truth Is Slightly More Bitter" club. One looks like a foot, the other, a loosely-crumpled washcloth. A perfect pair!

[bgb1018]

Originally Posted by Allio

I know it would be impossible but with other franchises making sequels instead of reboots (like Ghostbusters) what if instead of a reboot they just make a TMNT 4 (or 5 if you want to iclude the imagi films) and it could be Shredder's resurrection and we get the City at War movie.

This would be a cool concept to go with. It would be easy to incorporate the movies from the 90s and everything that happened. Like a few other people, I think it would be cool to incorporate the scepter from TMNT 3 to time travel back to the first movie. It would basically serve the same purpose that Days of Future Past did in resetting the timeline in the universe, basically erasing the events of everything after the original movie (and I'm a huge fan of SOTO). You could then start with Shredder's resurrection (like it was hinted at in the 2007 film). And from there the possibilities are endless on how you could incorporate the different story arcs.

It would even be a somewhat easy way to incorporate Renet into the series which would make it fairly easy to start incorporating the major stories from the Mirage series into the movies without over reaching as well. Like I said, the possibilities would be endless at that point.

I definitely feel that an origin story should be bypassed. We've already seen the origin twice in movies and multiple times in the different tv series so it's been overplayed now. Following the route that Spiderman Homecoming took and having the origin having already happened and just continuing the story of the turtles may be the best route.

[bgb1018]

Originally Posted by Panda_Kahn_fan

I would personally love to see a loose continuation of the old films. Either that, or a movie that does like spider-man homecoming, and just open on a team of turtles already in the middle of their ninja careers. A lot of people want an origin retread, but since we just had an origin movie a few years ago (even if it was a terrible one) and we have the same producers, we may get an original story with a new group of TMNT, already in the middle of their ninja careers. Or we may get another origin, time will tell.

I agree 100% with this. Get us straight to the story telling.

[bgb1018]

Originally Posted by IndigoErth

Pick up the time/magic scepter from the 1993 film (yes I know this requires including a vague hint of that film existing but bare with me)...and either a) get thrown back in time at a point after the 1990 film and pick up as an alternate second move, or b) jump forward to modern day. Or...c) go back to post-1990 but part way into the movie jump forward to our present time? But that might get a little convoluted, though it would bring it up to date.

And if it's intended as a sequel in line with 1990, you know what... just air 1990 on tv a lot prior to the film opening, giving people plenty of chance to see it and/or refamiliarize themselves with it. If anyone interested in a Turtles film can't manage to catch it, well that's on them. (I imagine those most interested may already own a copy anyhow.)



I mean, we have a magic time scepter thingy to FIX film timeline issues with, so at least something worthwhile could have come from that third film in the long run.

This is my thoughts exactly. Even if the turtles aren't the ones directly using the scepter this time and they incorporated Renet into the story to basically reset the timeline, it would be simple and easy way to continue the story while not straying from the source material too far.

[bgb1018]

Originally Posted by CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy

Hell, I'd love a "TMNT Logan" movie. 30 years later, Splinter dead, the turtles separated and at odds, called together for one last whatever.

I guess, basically a more grounded Odyssey (i.e. less time travel, magic, and alternate realities).

IDW needs to give us that in an Elseworlds-type story. Not just a special one-off issue, but like a 12-issue miniseries or something.

They kind of did this in the final season of the Nick series. Maybe not directly put use the story from the Nick series but adapt something similar.
The world is a mutant, desert wasteland, and the turtles are all old, and well past their prime but still willing to put their lives on the line for one another. It would be interesting to see on the big screen for sure.

[Andrew NDB]

It's a virtual guarantee this will be a sh*tshow. This is more Turtle Product™, given a release date before they even have a director or a writer (i.e., you know, the heart and soul of a movie).

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Originally Posted by bgb1018

I agree 100% with this. Get us straight to the story telling.

The problem with that is Shredder is always integral to the origin, and most Hollywood producers (the few who even know what Ninja Turtles is) aren't going to sign off on skipping the TMNT's best-known villain.

We're not Batman fans or Spiderman fans. Nobody takes us seriously, so nobody's going to look at a script and say "You know, it's not Shredder and you don't have any explanation for how these Turtles got mutated, but hell, you've got a good story here with the Turtles caught between a robotics scientist hunting rats and a homeless guy who controls rats. Let's do it!"

It's just not gonna happen.

For the TMNT to break legit into cinemas, they first have to have a well-received standard run-of-the-mill TMNT versus Foot Clan and Shredder story. Anything else seems like too big of a risk.

[Toxin45]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

It's a virtual guarantee this will be a sh*tshow. This is more Turtle Product™, given a release date before they even have a director or a writer (i.e., you know, the heart and soul of a movie).

Like how mirage volume 4 still isn't finished yet? You still haven't gotten over that mirage sold tmnt

[bgb1018]

Originally Posted by CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy

The problem with that is Shredder is always integral to the origin, and most Hollywood producers (the few who even know what Ninja Turtles is) aren't going to sign off on skipping the TMNT's best-known villain.

We're not Batman fans or Spiderman fans. Nobody takes us seriously, so nobody's going to look at a script and say "You know, it's not Shredder and you don't have any explanation for how these Turtles got mutated, but hell, you've got a good story here with the Turtles caught between a robotics scientist hunting rats and a homeless guy who controls rats. Let's do it!"

It's just not gonna happen.

For the TMNT to break legit into cinemas, they first have to have a well-received standard run-of-the-mill TMNT versus Foot Clan and Shredder story. Anything else seems like too big of a risk.

As much as I agree with the idea of skipping the origin story, I'm not naive enough to think it would actually happen and be a success. I think it's more myself being selfish and wanting to progress beyond the origin finally that I'd want the films to go that route.

I agree wholeheartedly with you that for TMNT to finally break out in mainstream cinema there needs to be a well written story involving Shredder. Maybe even having Oroku Nagi as part of the origin and then have Saki take up the persona to seek revenge. That way we could at least progress the story and stay within the source material. And then Saki's death could set up the 2nd movie for Shredder's resurrection.

[bgb1018]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

It's a virtual guarantee this will be a sh*tshow. This is more Turtle Product™, given a release date before they even have a director or a writer (i.e., you know, the heart and soul of a movie).

I want so badly to disagree with this, but with the information we have so far this is the most real conclusion we can draw from it all right now.

[Toxin45]

Originally Posted by bgb1018

As much as I agree with the idea of skipping the origin story, I'm not naive enough to think it would actually happen and be a success. I think it's more myself being selfish and wanting to progress beyond the origin finally that I'd want the films to go that route.

I agree wholeheartedly with you that for TMNT to finally break out in mainstream cinema there needs to be a well written story involving Shredder. Maybe even having Oroku Nagi as part of the origin and then have Saki take up the persona to seek revenge. That way we could at least progress the story and stay within the source material. And then Saki's death could set up the 2nd movie for Shredder's resurrection.

Didn't shredder got a 2nd ressurection? Also I doubt that nagi would be adapted it seems not even Laura or the other writers don't seem interested in him.

[oldmanwinters]

Call me crazy, but seeing as how this movie is being made by the same people as the last two (more or less), I'd just prefer they keep using all the existing CG models (to save some cash) and just finish off whatever dangling plot threads they were hoping to do for a trilogy. A reboot isn't gonna be any better, so let's just a complete story for whatever they were trying to create the first time around. They don't necessarily have to bring Fox, Arnett, or Amell back if it's too expensive, as they could always write their characters out of the story one way or another (I always liked the idea of some human characters being mutated into more CG creatures so as not to have to worry about paying high-profile actor salaries).

[Galactus]

Originally Posted by oldmanwinters

Call me crazy, but seeing as how this movie is being made by the same people as the last two (more or less), I'd just prefer they keep using all the existing CG models (to save some cash) and just finish off whatever dangling plot threads they were hoping to do for a trilogy. A reboot isn't gonna be any better, so let's just a complete story for whatever they were trying to create the first time around. They don't necessarily have to bring Fox, Arnett, or Amell back if it's too expensive, as they could always write their characters out of the story one way or another (I always liked the idea of some human characters being mutated into more CG creatures so as not to have to worry about paying high-profile actor salaries).

They didn't have any dangling plot threads or a story to complete. If they were they would have teased it an after credits scene.

Don't get me wrong I'm sure they'd brainstormed and had loose plans for what a third movie would be but all that was blown out of the water when Out Of The Shadows flopped. If Bebop, Rocksteady, Krang and the freakin' Technodrome couldn't sell a movie then whatever characters they planned next where not going to cut it either. To their credit Nemec and Applebaum have acknowledged this.

We definitely need human actors. Not the ones the previous two Platinum Dunes movies but we need some human characters. April in particular, while not a hugely important character in terms of plot (most TMNT stories after her introduction would play out the same if she was not present) we need a grounded POV character that isn't a mutant, alien or even a vigilante. Selling a movie with questionably superimposed cgi characters talk to each other is not going to fly...especially if they look like the Platinum Dunes designs.

I appreciate that some fans think they could be salvaged and from certain angles they could work. Take away all the pointless crap on them, fix the faces etc and the 2014 designs may fly as an "edgy" and "modern" design but these movies tanked in a large part because they botched the look so badly and really soured people on that design aesthetic. Reusing those designs tweaked or otherwise is a recipe for disaster.

A quasi sequel to the now defunct original Platinum Dunes continuity is not something anyone wants to see. Likewise a quasi sequel to the defunct 90s Golden Harvest or anything that requires the audience to do homework before they watch the movie. I can't believe anyone is seriously suggesting this.

Shredder, origin, properly proportioned turtles and no wacky re imagined designs and it has got a chance. Have humour sure but don't treat the thing like a complete joke and they have a shot. A slim one but a shot nonetheless.

[oldmanwinters]

Originally Posted by Galactus

They didn't have any dangling plot threads or a story to complete. If they were they would have teased it an after credits scene.

I disagree on account of one thing: Krang's Technodome "Toy Chest." Not only did he lock Shredder away in there for a rainy day, but there are a ton of easter eggs locked away in there (Triceraton and other mutants) that might have been the basis of a 3rd "Dimension X" themed movie:
https://www.artstation.com/artwork/xzJBWY

[Galactus]

Originally Posted by oldmanwinters

I disagree on account of one thing: Krang's Technodome "Toy Chest." Not only did he lock Shredder away in there for a rainy day, but there are a ton of easter eggs locked away in there (Triceraton and other mutants) that might have been the basis of a 3rd "Dimension X" themed movie:
https://www.artstation.com/artwork/xzJBWY

That was just their attempts at Easter eggs.

I don't think that was a serious road map of where the movies were heading. They clearly did not have any firm plans for the series which honestly isn't the worst idea. Imagine if they build up a villain or plot line only for the audiences to react badly to them.

If you're a well oiled machine like Marvel Studios you can roll with it but Bay hates world building and very grudgingly tried it with his last Transformers movie and it was all for nothing as the one Transformers spin off they have managed to squeak out completely ignored the crappy set up and went its own way with the setting and story.

The likelihood is that they would have had Baxter "Stockwell" as a fly in the next movie. They seemed to like the idea of following the hierarchy of 80s cartoon villains and Baxter was next on the list. I can't imagine how thst we'd have ever gotten Triceratons or the Fugitoid or indeed any non-Fred Wolf based characters in the movies squinting and making out a silhouette in Kra(a)ng's "toy chest" was the best we were going to get.

[IndigoErth]

I don't know if it's so much that Krang, the Technodrome and getting Bebop and Rocksteady in a film finally aren't able to sell a movie, but they were pretty much wasted, in both that film's concept and via the fact that they didn't show up until a sequel to a film people were disappointed with. All of that design time and Krang and the Technodrome hardly even featured in the film, let alone ever even pose a real threat to the city/world. B&R got more use, but the Turtles just barely got to interact with them. And... Shredder who? Also wasted.


May not be a popular view, but to save money and put it elsewhere, and the fact that the same company is handling it and possibly likely to bomb it again, yeah I could deal with the same Turtle designs being reused (though scaling them down a little -- no teller than average adult human height at most [Donnie] -- would be OKAY), provided we're just going to ignore the last two films and get a strong story written that's separate from them.

Maybe they're not the cutest Turtles in the world, and they may be a bit overgrown, but the weak stories are a far larger issue. Had the stories written for these films been spectacular and engaging, not the basic and superficial nonsense they decided to go with, people could well have embraced these guys a little more than they did... It's not like every comic art style is pretty looking either, but a good story can make people accept a character they might not have at first glance.

Pants... fine, these designs would look pretty awkward without them at this point, just don't overdo the rest. If they're carrying around radios, throwing knives or whatever like the last film, for the love of god at least have them USE them. If they're not going to use it, then leave it at home. OR get brave and let them actually pick stuff up (or put away) at some point in the film depending on what's going on. If they're home...take that stuff off.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by IndigoErth

I don't know if it's so much that Krang, the Technodrome and getting Bebop and Rocksteady in a film finally aren't able to sell a movie

I do. Because they didn't.