GOP *ELECTION* fraud in North Carolina

*Voltron* · 02-22-2019, 08:29 PM

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/vot...north-carolina

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/21/u...ter-fraud.html (ENEMY OF THE PEOPLE!)

The GOP win in North Carolina has been recalled due to apparent voter fraud committed by GOP consultant Leslie McCrae Dowless. After an embarrassing hearing concerning the vote manipulation, the GOP candidate Mark Harris bowed to pressure and called for a new election.

Harris has denied any wrong doing, and claims to have had no knowledge of Dowless's actions.

Harris's son, John Harris, however, indicated otherwise in a stunning testimony that all but ensured a new election. In short: John Harris testified that Dowless was known to use tactics unbecoming if not outright illegal and had warned his father not to trust the man.

Ironically, after the GOP ran on a strong message of Democrats supporting voter fraud by allowing for open borders and illegal immigrants to cast votes, the only case of voter fraud to date has been committed by the GOP themselves.

It begs the question: with this information coming to light, should Mark Harris run again? Would this break your trust in a candidate? What should the consequences be for someone who, by all accounts, understood the very real possibility of allying themselves with a known felon with a history of shady election work?

In Harris's defense, no criminal charges have yet been brought against any member of the GOP campaign. The investigation into Leslie McCrae Dowless is still on going, so that may change in the near future.

*Voltron* · 02-25-2019, 11:14 PM

The silence here is deafening.

~~Leo656~~ · 02-26-2019, 12:02 AM

I've been "at large" elsewhere, sir.

Won't speak for anyone else.

I also haven't been following this one very closely, and I try not to talk too much about things I'm not up to speed on. In brief, though, if they can't prove that he was involved directly, then sure, why not? There's always the chance people underneath him were acting independently. BUT, if there's any evidence at all that he was involved, or even knew about the fraud, then f*ck him, nail him to the wall.

I don't think being warned "That guy's shady" should count, in and of itself, though. We've all given the wrong person the benefit of the doubt, and we've all been burned because of it. Allegedly, human nature pushes us to believe the best in people, in spite of all evidence. So maybe he gambled on a bad egg, but that's generally called "Being Human". On the other hand, if he actively knew and was actively involved - and it can be proven - then f*ck no, he shouldn't even be allowed to run for dog catcher.

If he was involved, it shouldn't be too hard to prove. Everything is recorded nowadays, from emails to cell phone records to text logs and so on. Definitely look into it, and definitely hold all those found guilty accountable to the fullest degree.

I'm fairly certain all elections are "fudged" to a certain degree, though. The stakes are much too high to allow the outcome to fall to random chance. I'm fairly certain that "shenanigans" are always in play to some degree. But it's the best system we've come up with, so... sh*t happens, I guess.

At least they're making a modest effort to treat it like the Big Deal it should be. Again, there should be an independent investigation and if the guy knew anything at all, then bounce his ass. Otherwise, "innocent until proven guilty" and all that.

I'm not sure why anyone from the GOP would feel the need to tamper with the voting in North Carolina of all places, though. Those folks are red as apples, to the core. "Leave nothing to chance", I guess, but... seems silly.

**Jester** · 02-26-2019, 02:11 PM

*Redeemer* · 02-26-2019, 03:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Voltron

The silence here is deafening.

I swear I was going to comment about this

I literally saw no one commenting in this thread and thought the same.

Its funny if this was a incidence among democrats there would be an all out war thread about the incident.

I am like Leo I have not read too much about the incident, but imo it looks pretty bad.

*Autbot_Benz* · 02-26-2019, 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Jester

Love Phil D good way to get all the news in one place

*MikeandRaph87* · 02-26-2019, 03:28 PM

This whole area is screwed up. My home state of Virginia has a few responsible losers at the helm. I am just a few miles from the North Carolina border. I am surrounded!

*Voltron* · 02-28-2019, 06:29 AM

Just an update:

I changed the title to election fraud. That puts the blame on the voters. That's not what happened.

The GOP willfully changed votes cast by the citizens of the state.

View Poll Results: Should Mark Harris run again?
Yes	1	100.00%
No	0	0%
Voters: 1. You may not vote on this poll

02-22-2019, 08:29 PM	#1
Voltron Handsomest Boy in School Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: The Realm of SJW Posts: 4,642	*GOP ELECTION* fraud in North Carolina** https://www.foxnews.com/politics/vot...north-carolina https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/21/u...ter-fraud.html (ENEMY OF THE PEOPLE!) The GOP win in North Carolina has been recalled due to apparent voter fraud committed by GOP consultant Leslie McCrae Dowless. After an embarrassing hearing concerning the vote manipulation, the GOP candidate Mark Harris bowed to pressure and called for a new election. Harris has denied any wrong doing, and claims to have had no knowledge of Dowless's actions. Harris's son, John Harris, however, indicated otherwise in a stunning testimony that all but ensured a new election. In short: John Harris testified that Dowless was known to use tactics unbecoming if not outright illegal and had warned his father not to trust the man. Ironically, after the GOP ran on a strong message of Democrats supporting voter fraud by allowing for open borders and illegal immigrants to cast votes, the only case of voter fraud to date has been committed by the GOP themselves. It begs the question: with this information coming to light, should Mark Harris run again? Would this break your trust in a candidate? What should the consequences be for someone who, by all accounts, understood the very real possibility of allying themselves with a known felon with a history of shady election work? In Harris's defense, no criminal charges have yet been brought against any member of the GOP campaign. The investigation into Leslie McCrae Dowless is still on going, so that may change in the near future. __________________ I AM FOR ACTUAL! . . . and the White Savior. . . and the Right Hand of God. . .

02-25-2019, 11:14 PM	#2
Voltron Handsomest Boy in School Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: The Realm of SJW Posts: 4,642	The silence here is deafening. __________________ I AM FOR ACTUAL! . . . and the White Savior. . . and the Right Hand of God. . .

02-26-2019, 02:11 PM	#4
Jester Rat-faced Dude-guy Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arkansas Posts: 26,301	__________________ "Clearly, you're Ninja Turtling incorrectly." - Leo656

02-26-2019, 03:28 PM	#7
MikeandRaph87 Jedi Master Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: JLA Satellite Headquarters Posts: 11,189	This whole area is screwed up. My home state of Virginia has a few responsible losers at the helm. I am just a few miles from the North Carolina border. I am surrounded! __________________ Michelangelo: This looks like a job for the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles! Raphael: Sheesh, Mikey this ain't a cartoon!

02-26-2019, 12:02 AM	#3
~~Leo656~~ Banned Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: nWo Country Posts: 27,703	I've been "at large" elsewhere, sir. Won't speak for anyone else. I also haven't been following this one very closely, and I try not to talk too much about things I'm not up to speed on. In brief, though, if they can't prove that he was involved directly, then sure, why not? There's always the chance people underneath him were acting independently. BUT, if there's any evidence at all that he was involved, or even knew about the fraud, then fck him, nail him to the wall. I don't think being warned "That guy's shady" should count, in and of itself, though. We've all given the wrong person the benefit of the doubt, and we've all been burned because of it. Allegedly, human nature pushes us to believe the best in people, in spite of all evidence. So maybe he gambled on a bad egg, but that's generally called "Being Human". On the other hand, if he actively knew and was actively involved - and it can be proven - then fck no, he shouldn't even be allowed to run for dog catcher. If he was involved, it shouldn't be too hard to prove. Everything is recorded nowadays, from emails to cell phone records to text logs and so on. Definitely look into it, and definitely hold all those found guilty accountable to the fullest degree. I'm fairly certain all elections are "fudged" to a certain degree, though. The stakes are much too high to allow the outcome to fall to random chance. I'm fairly certain that "shenanigans" are always in play to some degree. But it's the best system we've come up with, so... sh*t happens, I guess. At least they're making a modest effort to treat it like the Big Deal it should be. Again, there should be an independent investigation and if the guy knew anything at all, then bounce his ass. Otherwise, "innocent until proven guilty" and all that. I'm not sure why anyone from the GOP would feel the need to tamper with the voting in North Carolina of all places, though. Those folks are red as apples, to the core. "Leave nothing to chance", I guess, but... seems silly.

02-28-2019, 06:29 AM	#8
Voltron Handsomest Boy in School Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: The Realm of SJW Posts: 4,642	Just an update: I changed the title to election fraud. That puts the blame on the voters. That's not what happened. The GOP willfully changed votes cast by the citizens of the state. __________________ I AM FOR ACTUAL! . . . and the White Savior. . . and the Right Hand of God. . .