Brie Larson the frontrunner for Captain Marvel

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Damn. I wanna see this movie, but I'm so sick of all the hype/hate surrounding it.

It's a fvcking Marvel movie, people. We know exactly how it's gonna play out. Make money (a billion, of course), audiences like it, plays it safe.

[Jester]

I'm just getting tired of people patting themselves on the back for inclusion which is something that movie should do regardless of brownie points and the media making it seem like if you don't want to see X/Y movie than you are a bad person.

[Krutch]

Originally Posted by Jester

I'm just getting tired of people patting themselves on the back for inclusion which is something that movie should do regardless of brownie points and the media making it seem like if you don't want to see X/Y movie than you are a bad person.

This.

Into the Spider-Verse had a black Spider-Man in theatres for the first time ever and no one made a fuss about it because it wasn't being spun into an agenda by news or marketing. Nor did it have a single scene about "what it's like being black" or something like that. It just... was. And it was stronger for it.

[Papenbrook]

Here's the thing, though -

Sometimes, you need to show/display scenes and dialogue that showcase what it's like to be a woman/ person of color/ etc. It provides helpful analogies to those who view mainstream media as an important part of society. It helps them understand the views of individuals who don't fit into the idealized view of mainstream representation.

Plus, it helps a certain subset of individuals (who are often underprivileged/marginalized) by guiding them towards a more confident version of themselves. It makes them understand what they need to do if they ever deal with the situations/views presented in the medium(s) they consume.

That's pretty important, for the most part.

[Jester]

You're posting on a forum for people who relate to a group of mutated animals we live in a sewer right? We can relate to anything pretty much regardless of gender, race things like that.

[Papenbrook]

If every piece of media were like that, then we would have trouble communicating our grievances/ thoughts explicitly/ openly.

It would all just be subtext and metaphor, and we would never understand our issues with our society.

[Krutch]

Originally Posted by Papenbrook

Here's the thing, though -

Sometimes, you need to show/display scenes and dialogue that showcase what it's like to be a woman/ person of color/ etc. It provides helpful analogies to those who view mainstream media as an important part of society. It helps them understand the views of individuals who don't fit into the idealized view of mainstream representation.

I understand where you're coming from, I just don't subscribe to that philosophy.
The sooner we stop celebrating our differences the sooner we'll stop seeing them.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by Jester

You're posting on a forum for people who relate to a group of mutated animals we live in a sewer right?

If I didn't like you, I would be obligated to point out something...

[Prowler]

Originally Posted by Jester

You're posting on a forum for people who relate to a group of mutated animals we live in a sewer right? We can relate to anything pretty much regardless of gender, race things like that.

Not to mention I, at least, watch anime and play Japanese video games often. And can relate to the characters fine. So I don't buy it when someone pulls the "I need characters to look like me so I can relate to them!". If that was the case why do kids all over the world love Japanese animation and video games? Or american cartoons, despite the characters in said toons being from a different country/culture from theirs?

I mean, I guess I can see why a kid who belongs to a minority group likes to see good role models on TV, but on the other hand, I don't remember kids I know back in the day, even ones who belonged to ethnic minorities, giving a damn about this kind of stuff on tv. They liked white and Japanese characters just fine, so I don't think it's as big of a deal as people online make it out to be. Just like I had no problems liking characters of different "races" and cultures or liking football players from different parts of the world in my football squad.

[Vegita-San]

i'm as white as they get and had no problem enjoying the hell out of fat albert and other shows like the cosby show growing up. I didn't care that there where little to no white people on them. I just enjoyed them for the good entertainment they where.

I don't see why the reverse wouldn't be true.

it's just hollywood being stupid hollywood... and thankfully, people of all races and creeds are starting to tire of this SJW culture to the point of boycotting.

[Prowler]

Originally Posted by Vegita-San

i'm as white as they get and had no problem enjoying the hell out of fat albert and other shows like the cosby show growing up. I didn't care that there where little to no white people on them. I just enjoyed them for the good entertainment they where.

I don't see why the reverse wouldn't be true.

it's just hollywood being stupid hollywood... and thankfully, people of all races and creeds are starting to tire of this SJW culture to the point of boycotting.

Yeah. I don't watch anime or a Kurosawa film asking myself every 5 minutes "why are there no White people in this?!" I doubt, let's say, black people or Indians ask themselves something like that either.

I feel like we're getting to a point where the American media wants it to be mandatory for every single piece of fiction to have every minority group represented in it just for the sake of it. That's absurd. Honestly, if someone can't relate to characters from different walks of life then they're the ones who might be prejudiced, just saying. Complaining about there not being any Black people in The Witcher games, a POLISH video game series based on Slavic mythology is just stupid, seriously.

[Turo602]

I never understood this narcissistic view that kids can only relate to characters that look like them or that somehow we're gonna like those characters more out of some bias. That feels like it's dividing more than it is bringing people together. I grew up liking Superman, Batman, Spider-Man, and the X-Men because they were awesome. I'm not gonna suddenly discover Blue Beetle and think he's the greatest ever because he's Mexican.

What does bother me though, is that we live in a society that wants to push for diversity, but that diversity never means Hispanic. It means make so and so character black or female. It's like they're the two biggest cry baby race and gender, so white people and males have to support it out of some past guilt.

This is just like that racist flag episode in South Park. People keep paying too damn much attention to our differences for absolutely no reason, and it creates tension between people, just like this movie.

[Leo656]

Some really good posts in here. What else needs to be said?

Representation is nice, but not every character that represents a minority group deserves a parade just for existing.

I'm old enough to remember Milestone Comics, aka "Super-heroes For Black People", as if black people couldn't be bothered to like Superman and Batman. They "needed" their own characters "just for them", I guess. They had a "black variant" of just about every super-hero archetype... And in the end, black people kept buying Superman and Batman anyways, and the line that was created BY a group of minorities, FOR a group of minorities, went under in about a year. Which tells me that "representation" doesn't matter as much as 1. Good characters, and 2. Good stories. Out of the entire Milestone line, only Static had any measure of success. They even tried to bring it back a few years ago as part of the DCU proper, and people STILL don't care about Milestone. That speaks volumes.

People shouldn't be trying to win Bonus Points for inclusion; just tell good stories and keep it real, so to speak, and the rest takes care of itself. People can often recognize when they're being pandered to, and they generally don't like it.

[Storm Eagle]

I enjoyed Freaks and Geeks, and even though I was thinking the other day that it could have stood to have minorities in the cast, I still manage to enjoy it.

As for this movie, I'd like to see it too. I'd most likely end up having to wait out the home video release so I can rent it though, because, life. Still, I hope I can enjoy Carol Danvers/Captain Marvel as a character without the message of girl power jackhammered into my head.

[Voltron]

Originally Posted by Prowler

Yeah. I don't watch anime or a Kurosawa film asking myself every 5 minutes "why are there no White people in this?!" I doubt, let's say, black people or Indians ask themselves something like that either.

Truth.

I feel like we're getting to a point where the American media wants it to be mandatory for every single piece of fiction to have every minority group represented in it just for the sake of it.

Preach.

That's absurd. Honestly, if someone can't relate to characters from different walks of life then they're the ones who might be prejudiced, just saying. Complaining about there not being any Black people in The Witcher games, a POLISH video game series based on Slavic mythology is just stupid, seriously.

This belongs in a logic museum.

[Papenbrook]

Still, I wish people would stop ragging on this movie so hard.

It's unnecessary.

[Candy Kappa]

Originally Posted by Prowler

Complaining about there not being any Black people in The Witcher games, a POLISH video game series based on Slavic mythology is just stupid, seriously.

Sure, if you look past that Europe was diverse even back in the medieval times, and we're talking about a fantasy world where it's based off Europe in a certain time period, yet the game have potatoes in it which did not exist in Europe at that time.

And the whole "historically accurate/mythological accurate" is just lazy an unimaginative in a fantasy world.

But Witcher got Azar Javed, so it's fine.

[Papenbrook]

Captain Marvel 's ticket sales are already outpacing the tickets sales of both Wonder Woman and Aquaman.

It's gonna rock this world come International Women's Day!

Your move ...

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Originally Posted by Prowler

Yeah. I don't watch anime or a Kurosawa film asking myself every 5 minutes "why are there no White people in this?!" I doubt, let's say, black people or Indians ask themselves something like that either.

I feel like we're getting to a point where the American media wants it to be mandatory for every single piece of fiction to have every minority group represented in it just for the sake of it. That's absurd. Honestly, if someone can't relate to characters from different walks of life then they're the ones who might be prejudiced, just saying. Complaining about there not being any Black people in The Witcher games, a POLISH video game series based on Slavic mythology is just stupid, seriously.

Getting to a point? More like reached it a few years back.

[newfan]

DC haven't done as well as Marvel with recent movies, I did like Wonder Woman though so I'm am more interested in that upcoming movie than this one. I know it ties in with Avengers but I don't think it's a must see before the next Avengers movie, less I am mistaken and there is a big story plot I shouldn't miss? Obviously she is in it so it might help become familiar with the character (as I'm not) but I can live with that.