Suicide Squad 2: Gavin O'Connor in talks to write & direct film - Page 4

~~Leo656~~ · 03-08-2019, 01:40 PM

Each of those characters require tons more setup to explain than your average El Diablo, buddy. No chance that would work.

And Flash and Green Lantern are way too popular to NOT get their movies made eventually, they're just afraid how to proceed because of the idiot internet nerds who are gonna call everything they do crap just because it's DC/WB. But they're definitely going to happen eventually.

You're kind of not good at this, man.

~~Sumac~~ · 03-08-2019, 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Leo656

And Flash and Green Lantern are way too popular to NOT get their movies made eventually, they're just afraid how to proceed because of the idiot internet nerds who are gonna call everything they do crap just because it's DC/WB. But they're definitely going to happen eventually.

It's not problem of Internet nerds that Green Lantern movie was bad and that DC has tarnished their Cinematic (Un)Universe with crap like MOS and BVS.

~~Leo656~~ · 03-08-2019, 04:16 PM

You're like a giant barrel of bad opinions.

"Green Lantern" certainly could have been better (although it also could have been much worse), but he's still the most popular DC heroic character outside of Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, and maybe Flash. The ONLY thing stalling their progress on what should be one of their Big Guns, is that they're terrified of what Keyboard Warriors are going to say about it. Otherwise it would have been out by now.

I'm glad I'm not a movie executive. I can't imagine being so terrified of Facebook Memes that I'd stifle myself creatively. But anyways, there will definitely be SOME kind of GL movie sooner rather than later, to say "it's never coming out" is foolish. That's what I was expressing to my good buddy CKD.

Here's your $.02 back.

*CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy* · 03-08-2019, 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Leo656

Each of those characters require tons more setup to explain than your average El Diablo, buddy. No chance that would work.

And Flash and Green Lantern are way too popular to NOT get their movies made eventually, they're just afraid how to proceed because of the idiot internet nerds who are gonna call everything they do crap just because it's DC/WB. But they're definitely going to happen eventually.

You're kind of not good at this, man.

Harley Quinn got about ten minutes' worth of flashbacks, all put together, I think.

Devote those same ten minutes to Bane, Metallo, and Killer Frost. Give the others one or two lines of expository background. Hell, Tattooed Man doesn't even have to be explicitly connected to Green Lantern. And nobody needs Poison Ivy's backstory or Scarecrow. We all remember the movies.

I, for one, would be much more interested in characters that it would be a waste to kill off than a bunch of Z-list losers. Kill off two of them, big shock value for the nerds in the know. Instead of Slipknot, the world's most glorified extra.

~~Leo656~~ · 03-08-2019, 06:09 PM

Metallo alone would break the budget though. I'm just trying to be practical. Plus, again, he has a LOT of history to cover. And has he ever even been a Squad member? Granted, there's been like 80 versions of the Squad and I don't follow it that closely, but it was kind of created to be a "Z-Lister Showcase" to begin with. Like, people can talk about being underwhelmed by the characters chosen for the first film, but those were all legit picks because they were actually in the books.

I don't want them just throwing in people who can't carry their own movie. That's PART of what it needs to be, sure, but if they could stick to JUST actual Squad members, that'd be great. Guys like Bane, even though he's been a Squad member... he really isn't supposed to be. He's an "A-List or Nothing" type villain, despite how some lazy writers have tried to tinker with that from time to time. He needs to be the main villain in a Batman flick, not a flunky for Poison Ivy or Talia. Or anyone. Bane is a Mastermind, not a flunky.

I think that they had the right idea by starting with the original Ostrander books. Most of those characters have been in multiple versions of the Squad. I'd be fine if they kept the surviving members from the first movie and just added a few replacements. I don't think it makes any sense to throw out the baby with the bathwater. Boomerang's a Squad "lifer" for example, you can't do Squad without Boomerang. And I think at one point they even said they always planned to bring Diablo back, I wouldn't mind seeing that. Harley can gladly go do her own thing, but I don't think we need a whole new team every movie. That's a lot of work for virtually nothing.

Again, just thinking in practical terms.

**Jester** · 03-09-2019, 12:09 PM

Enough. Keep it civil or keep it off the boards.

*Voltron* · 03-09-2019, 04:04 PM

Seconded. I think we can talk about movies without calling each other names.

~~Sumac~~ · 03-10-2019, 05:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Leo656

"Green Lantern" certainly could have been better (although it also could have been much worse), but he's still the most popular DC heroic character outside of Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, and maybe Flash. The ONLY thing stalling their progress on what should be one of their Big Guns, is that they're terrified of what Keyboard Warriors are going to say about it. Otherwise it would have been out by now.

Big bad executives are afraid of Keyboard Warriors...surrre...

More like they don't have any idea how to approach GL and just biding their time to finally figure out what they want out of their Cinematic (Un)Universe.

But I wouldn't put too much faith in them - after all they made Snyder the head of DCCU.

~~Leo656~~ · 03-10-2019, 06:52 PM

Yeah, god forbid that someone who has actually read a comic book be put in charge of movies based on comic books. It was worth a shot, Lord knows that it had never been done before or since.

With movies like "Ragnarok" passing for "great cinema", that tells me everything I personally need to know about what people in the "casual audience" want from these movies, and it's nothing good.

GL should be very easy. It's only difficult because the material doesn't lend itself to "goofball comedy" in an age when people demand every super-hero movie be a goofball comedy. It doesn't fit that, but if they play it straight and treat it as the darker and more serious story that it generally is, they know they're going to get yelled at again by the nerds who want everything to be silly. And they simply don't want to risk any more negative ink, especially over what would absolutely be the most expensive movie they'd yet attempted.

They already made a comedic GL movie, and it didn't work. But they're afraid to do it the right way because of people who insist that these movies have no business trying to tell serious stories in the first place. If anything, GL is like a much more serious Star Wars, but again, to people who don't read comics, "taking the material seriously" is a mortal sin. Between that and the fact that it's a prohibitively expensive project, it doesn't take a genius to figure out the hold-up.

If they spend $300 million on a movie only for it to under-perform because "it needs to be sillier", that would be a disaster. That IS what they are afraid of and it's why they haven't moved forward. It appears to me that they at least want to get two or three movies in a row that do alright before they take any more big, expensive risks. Which makes perfect sense to me. I'm not in a hurry for it. I promise, right now some hack in a boardroom is trying to pitch it as DC's "Guardians of the Galaxy" even though that's not what it is at all. I'm fine with it taking a long time so long as it gets done properly. GL deserves a proper adaptation, not a copycat screwball farce. We have more than enough of those already.

*Andrew NDB* · 03-16-2019, 12:02 AM

Btw, possible dumb question... but has James Gunn actually officially announced he would even direct this movie? I see a lot of articles saying he's officially writing the script and will "probably" direct, and a bunch of articles incorrectly citing that The Hollywood Reporter said he's "officially signed on to direct"... but that's not true. Here's THR article in question:

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/he...sequel-1181436

It says he was "in talks" to direct the movie. Nothing about officially signing on to direct. So when they're saying he's "going to do both movies" (this and Got3) I'm thinking that just means he's going to finish writing the script for Suicide Squad and that's it.

~~Leo656~~ · 03-16-2019, 12:09 AM

I don't think it's important enough to warrant anyone's concern, frankly.

It's not like anyone in the entire world is sitting there with bated breath, agonizing about the eventual fate of the Suicide Squad sequel. I don't think anyone even cares if it comes out. And I say that as someone who enjoyed the first one more than most people did. It was functional and Just Fine for what it was, but if they don't do another one, I think we'll all be okay.

~~Sumac~~ · 03-16-2019, 04:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Leo656

Yeah, god forbid that someone who has actually read a comic book be put in charge of movies based on comic books. It was worth a shot, Lord knows that it had never been done before or since.

With movies like "Ragnarok" passing for "great cinema", that tells me everything I personally need to know about what people in the "casual audience" want from these movies, and it's nothing good.

People want to have fun movies about colorful characters. The horror.

*Andrew NDB* · 03-16-2019, 03:35 PM

It's "a total reboot."

https://www.comicbookmovie.com/suici...reboot-a167189

But I don't think they have any idea what that word means.

~~Sumac~~ · 03-16-2019, 10:12 PM

So, like Ang Lee's Hulk and the Incredible Hulk?

*Andrew NDB* · 03-16-2019, 10:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Sumac

So, like Ang Lee's Hulk and the Incredible Hulk?

Maybe closer to "X-Men Origins: Wolverine" and "The Wolverine."

~~Leo656~~ · 03-17-2019, 03:45 AM

"It’s everything you would hope from a James Gunn script and I think that says a lot..."

Thanks for the f*ckin' warning.

*Autbot_Benz* · 03-29-2019, 05:26 PM

Jai Courtney's Captain Boomerang is gonna be in this one

http://collider.com/suicide-squad-2-...source=twitter

*CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy* · 03-29-2019, 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Autbot_Benz

Jai Courtney's Captain Boomerang is gonna be in this one

http://collider.com/suicide-squad-2-...source=twitter

Great. More unicorn fvcking jokes.

*Andrew NDB* · 03-29-2019, 05:37 PM

So he's going to meet the team for the first time again since this is a "total reboot"?

You got to love Jai's agent... his career is like, immune to scrutiny, no matter how many blows it takes. Even Will Smith's agent couldn't keep him on the movie, but Jai is still riding.

*TigerClaw* · 03-29-2019, 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

So he's going to meet the team for the first time again since this is a "total reboot"?

You got to love Jai's agent... his career is like, immune to scrutiny, no matter how many blows it takes. Even Will Smith's agent couldn't keep him on the movie, but Jai is still riding.

He's one of those actors that just seems to fail upward. and continues to get roles in movies.

03-09-2019, 12:09 PM	#66
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03-09-2019, 04:04 PM	#67
Voltron Handsomest Boy in School Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: The Realm of SJW Posts: 4,642	Seconded. I think we can talk about movies without calling each other names. __________________ I AM FOR ACTUAL! . . . and the White Savior. . . and the Right Hand of God. . .

03-10-2019, 06:52 PM	#69
~~Leo656~~ Banned Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: nWo Country Posts: 27,703	Yeah, god forbid that someone who has actually read a comic book be put in charge of movies based on comic books. It was worth a shot, Lord knows that it had never been done before or since. With movies like "Ragnarok" passing for "great cinema", that tells me everything I personally need to know about what people in the "casual audience" want from these movies, and it's nothing good. GL should be very easy. It's only difficult because the material doesn't lend itself to "goofball comedy" in an age when people demand every super-hero movie be a goofball comedy. It doesn't fit that, but if they play it straight and treat it as the darker and more serious story that it generally is, they know they're going to get yelled at again by the nerds who want everything to be silly. And they simply don't want to risk any more negative ink, especially over what would absolutely be the most expensive movie they'd yet attempted. They already made a comedic GL movie, and it didn't work. But they're afraid to do it the right way because of people who insist that these movies have no business trying to tell serious stories in the first place. If anything, GL is like a much more serious Star Wars, but again, to people who don't read comics, "taking the material seriously" is a mortal sin. Between that and the fact that it's a prohibitively expensive project, it doesn't take a genius to figure out the hold-up. If they spend $300 million on a movie only for it to under-perform because "it needs to be sillier", that would be a disaster. That IS what they are afraid of and it's why they haven't moved forward. It appears to me that they at least want to get two or three movies in a row that do alright before they take any more big, expensive risks. Which makes perfect sense to me. I'm not in a hurry for it. I promise, right now some hack in a boardroom is trying to pitch it as DC's "Guardians of the Galaxy" even though that's not what it is at all. I'm fine with it taking a long time so long as it gets done properly. GL deserves a proper adaptation, not a copycat screwball farce. We have more than enough of those already. Last edited by Leo656; 03-10-2019 at 07:00 PM.

03-16-2019, 12:02 AM	#70
Andrew NDB Weed Whacker Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Auburn, WA Posts: 34,558	Btw, possible dumb question... but has James Gunn actually officially announced he would even direct this movie? I see a lot of articles saying he's officially writing the script and will "probably" direct, and a bunch of articles incorrectly citing that The Hollywood Reporter said he's "officially signed on to direct"... but that's not true. Here's THR article in question: https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/he...sequel-1181436 It says he was "in talks" to direct the movie. Nothing about officially signing on to direct. So when they're saying he's "going to do both movies" (this and Got3) I'm thinking that just means he's going to finish writing the script for Suicide Squad and that's it. __________________ [ ODYSSEY \| ORIGIN \| THE IMAGE/VOL. 3 CONCLUSION \| THE SHELLSHOCKED PODCAST \| ON FACEBOOK ]

03-16-2019, 03:35 PM	#73
Andrew NDB Weed Whacker Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Auburn, WA Posts: 34,558	It's "a total reboot." https://www.comicbookmovie.com/suici...reboot-a167189 But I don't think they have any idea what that word means. __________________ [ ODYSSEY \| ORIGIN \| THE IMAGE/VOL. 3 CONCLUSION \| THE SHELLSHOCKED PODCAST \| ON FACEBOOK ]

03-08-2019, 01:40 PM	#61
~~Leo656~~ Banned Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: nWo Country Posts: 27,703	Each of those characters require tons more setup to explain than your average El Diablo, buddy. No chance that would work. And Flash and Green Lantern are way too popular to NOT get their movies made eventually, they're just afraid how to proceed because of the idiot internet nerds who are gonna call everything they do crap just because it's DC/WB. But they're definitely going to happen eventually. You're kind of not good at this, man.

03-08-2019, 04:16 PM	#63
~~Leo656~~ Banned Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: nWo Country Posts: 27,703	You're like a giant barrel of bad opinions. "Green Lantern" certainly could have been better (although it also could have been much worse), but he's still the most popular DC heroic character outside of Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, and maybe Flash. The ONLY thing stalling their progress on what should be one of their Big Guns, is that they're terrified of what Keyboard Warriors are going to say about it. Otherwise it would have been out by now. I'm glad I'm not a movie executive. I can't imagine being so terrified of Facebook Memes that I'd stifle myself creatively. But anyways, there will definitely be SOME kind of GL movie sooner rather than later, to say "it's never coming out" is foolish. That's what I was expressing to my good buddy CKD. Here's your $.02 back.

03-08-2019, 06:09 PM	#65
~~Leo656~~ Banned Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: nWo Country Posts: 27,703	Metallo alone would break the budget though. I'm just trying to be practical. Plus, again, he has a LOT of history to cover. And has he ever even been a Squad member? Granted, there's been like 80 versions of the Squad and I don't follow it that closely, but it was kind of created to be a "Z-Lister Showcase" to begin with. Like, people can talk about being underwhelmed by the characters chosen for the first film, but those were all legit picks because they were actually in the books. I don't want them just throwing in people who can't carry their own movie. That's PART of what it needs to be, sure, but if they could stick to JUST actual Squad members, that'd be great. Guys like Bane, even though he's been a Squad member... he really isn't supposed to be. He's an "A-List or Nothing" type villain, despite how some lazy writers have tried to tinker with that from time to time. He needs to be the main villain in a Batman flick, not a flunky for Poison Ivy or Talia. Or anyone. Bane is a Mastermind, not a flunky. I think that they had the right idea by starting with the original Ostrander books. Most of those characters have been in multiple versions of the Squad. I'd be fine if they kept the surviving members from the first movie and just added a few replacements. I don't think it makes any sense to throw out the baby with the bathwater. Boomerang's a Squad "lifer" for example, you can't do Squad without Boomerang. And I think at one point they even said they always planned to bring Diablo back, I wouldn't mind seeing that. Harley can gladly go do her own thing, but I don't think we need a whole new team every movie. That's a lot of work for virtually nothing. Again, just thinking in practical terms.

03-16-2019, 12:09 AM	#71
~~Leo656~~ Banned Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: nWo Country Posts: 27,703	I don't think it's important enough to warrant anyone's concern, frankly. It's not like anyone in the entire world is sitting there with bated breath, agonizing about the eventual fate of the Suicide Squad sequel. I don't think anyone even cares if it comes out. And I say that as someone who enjoyed the first one more than most people did. It was functional and Just Fine for what it was, but if they don't do another one, I think we'll all be okay.

03-16-2019, 10:12 PM	#74
~~Sumac~~ Banned Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 6,129	So, like Ang Lee's Hulk and the Incredible Hulk?

03-17-2019, 03:45 AM	#76
~~Leo656~~ Banned Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: nWo Country Posts: 27,703	*"It’s everything you would hope from a James Gunn script and I think that says a lot..."* Thanks for the f*ckin' warning.

03-29-2019, 05:26 PM	#77
Autbot_Benz Hellblazer Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: Ventura California Posts: 9,191	Jai Courtney's Captain Boomerang is gonna be in this one http://collider.com/suicide-squad-2-...source=twitter __________________ I respect what FW cartoon did for the turtles franchise but it is the most overrated and hard to watch of the 3 turtles cartoons.

03-29-2019, 05:37 PM	#79
Andrew NDB Weed Whacker Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Auburn, WA Posts: 34,558	So he's going to meet the team for the first time again since this is a "total reboot"? You got to love Jai's agent... his career is like, immune to scrutiny, no matter how many blows it takes. Even Will Smith's agent couldn't keep him on the movie, but Jai is still riding. __________________ [ ODYSSEY \| ORIGIN \| THE IMAGE/VOL. 3 CONCLUSION \| THE SHELLSHOCKED PODCAST \| ON FACEBOOK ]