Star Wars: Episode IX

[IMJ]

Originally Posted by ZariusTwo

I actually got a response about that on another forum saying "it's not for the characters, it's for the audience who've been with him for nine of these"

Crazy people will argue anything in circles. This is a true statement - we even saw it here on the forums in another thread about the old animated series.

It's called circumplexic logic - crazy people make these pseudo-logical connections to simply justify anything they are arguing. Sure, they have a connected point, but it isn't cogent and the point typically brings you right back to where you started. Crazy people do it, and children do it. Immature people.

This is as opposed to logic being linear and contiguous, which takes you somewhere that makes sense instead of back to your initial ******** (not you, ZariusTwo, I'm talking instead about that ubiquitous "you").

And so, dumbass on the other forum who told you that 3-PO was looking at the audience, in a sudden and singular breaking of the fourth wall across the entire trilogy-trilogy is an example of basically saying anything that can connect the words even if the sum of the words is wildly out of reality. Even if this was an artistic callout from the film makers, it's a failed attempt because for it to work, it would still have to be a double entendre, which fails because 3-PO has essentially no connection to the new cast even after three movies that have gone nowhere story-wise.

Disney Star Wars is, unarguably a failed story-telling trilogy. No connections made across the three movies, no build-up of any relevant material, a sudden and meaningless return of Palpatine in the third movie even though there's no mention or whisper of "something coming" behind the scenes across this trilogy. No signals or story callbacks across this trilogy, bla bla, I could go on. The new Star Wars have some visual eyecandy moments, but they are completely failed stories meant for consumption by the bottom feeders of the millenial generation who won't challenge the material and simply chant "yay girl power!" or "we are better because nothing good existed before us".

Originally Posted by ranger_scout

All I can say is that looks like one epic finale.

Why? How? Because of some crashing waves? Seriously?

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by IMJ

No connections made across the three movies

What about the payoff of Max Von Sydow's Lor San Tekka, or the brilliant arc of Captain Phasma? What, you don't think kids are going to be dressing up as Vice Admiral Holdo this year?

Eugh. Even the people that claim to like these movies, they just seem to be the sort of "fans" mostly excited to see if Finn is gay for Poe or whatever.

no build-up of any relevant material, a sudden and meaningless return of Palpatine in the third movie even though there's no mention or whisper of "something coming" behind the scenes across this trilogy.

The only way it could make sense is if he never really left and was "in the room" the whole time. i.e., he was Snoke, or inside Snoke.

[snake]

If hype could be measured in numerical value, I’m in the negatives.

[Sumac]

I am interested to see what kind of ******** they pull to make story work after TLJ.
But I don't hold my breath for TROS to become a "legendary" movie remembered by generations to come.

[Xav]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

The only way it could make sense is if he never really left and was "in the room" the whole time. i.e., he was Snoke, or inside Snoke.

That would also make Palpatine look like a total doofus in that he couldn't sense that another one of his apprentices was about to kill him.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by Xav

That would also make Palpatine look like a total doofus in that he couldn't sense that another one of his apprentices was about to kill him.

Well, they could say that Palpatine-as-Snoke knew and WANTED Kylo to kill him there. Some necessary step on his evilution or whatever.

Just spitballing.

[Andrew NDB]

So there WAS a leaked image of Palpatine that was taken down from copyright notice:

https://www.reddit.com/r/StarWarsLea...ted_palpatine/

[IMJ]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

So there WAS a leaked image of Palpatine that was taken down from copyright notice:

https://www.reddit.com/r/StarWarsLea...ted_palpatine/

[Andrew NDB]

It's kind of like Disney heard my complaint and "leaked" this.

"No no, see? He's not just a voice!"

[Xav]

So Palpatine's back as an old man? Did he just not die in ROTJ? At this point did anything that happened in the OT actually matter?

[Voltron]

My guess:

They use some clone war tech to revive him. The sped up aging was there to get him back in the game ASAP, but it obviously carries him to old age faster along with dark side degradation. Snoke was a failed clone.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by Xav

So Palpatine's back as an old man? Did he just not die in ROTJ? At this point did anything that happened in the OT actually matter?

Shesus, I don't know. The biggest damning thing people seem to forget about is the big explosion when he fell down the shaft... like, if he lived, what was the explosion about?

Originally Posted by Voltron

My guess:

They use some clone war tech to revive him. The sped up aging was there to get him back in the game ASAP, but it obviously carries him to old age faster along with dark side degradation. Snoke was a failed clone.

Snoke can't be a clone because he's physically taller than Palpatine. Also, he sounds like Andy Serkis. Though his scars seem about consistent with about what the damage someone might have taken from an explosion 30 years beforehand. Moreso, Snoke's body looks like it may have been on the receiving end of Palpatine's lightsaber (i.e., he is Plageuis). Meh. No idea there either. It may even be that Snoke is (the body of) Plagueis himself, kept alive and inhabited by Palpatine... until he pops into his fresh new body for the movie's end. I could see several hacky scenarios developing. Some of them I wouldn't mind.

Clue: let's not forget that John Williams made the same exact music when Anakin and Palpatine were talking in the opera about Plagueis as every time we see Snoke. At least in TFA. And JJ is doing IX so that may be back on the train tracks.

[sdp]

Darth maul survived before Disney so the comic book no one does had already creeped intp Star Wars canon even outside the EU pre sell out. Palpatine being a clone works and was done in the EU with Dark Empire.

Yes they are hastily band aiding the sequel trilogy into fitting in with the first six movies and it'll be full of holes, but isn't this the best they can do now? What else could they possibly do? At least they're trying as flawed as it may be

[Sumac]

More ripping off EU...

At this point I would like to see a sitcom, with Palps being senile funny grandpa trying to make Rey to accept position of the Galactic Empress, with Luke, Yoda and Obi Wan providing commentary as the ghosts.

[MikeandRaph87]

Apparently Leia will not make it out of the first act.
https://www.esquire.com/entertainmen...ic-pit-theory/

[Andrew NDB]

I've read that

Spoiler:

Leia dies of old age at some point in the movie. Rey is Palpatine's granddaughter and was hidden away from Palpatine. Palpatine has been alive (somehow? it's not really said) this whole time, building his new fleet far away from prying eyes. Rey and Kylo race to Endor's moon to try and find some kind of Sith dagger, but it's just a mcguffin. Threepio has to wipe his brain to be a Sith translator at a critical moment, thinking he's killing himself but he's not because R2 keeps a backup of his memories. Rey and Kylo team up against Palpatine but Palpatine kills Kylo. Force ghosts of Luke, Obi-Wan, Yoda, and Anakin flank Rey and together they all vanquish Palpatine once and for all.

Basically is what I'm getting out of it.

[frank_one]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

I've read that

Spoiler:

Leia dies of old age at some point in the movie. Rey is Palpatine's granddaughter and was hidden away from Palpatine. Palpatine has been alive (somehow? it's not really said) this whole time, building his new fleet far away from prying eyes. Rey and Kylo race to Endor's moon to try and find some kind of Sith dagger, but it's just a mcguffin. Threepio has to wipe his brain to be a Sith translator at a critical moment, thinking he's killing himself but he's not because R2 keeps a backup of his memories. Rey and Kylo team up against Palpatine but Palpatine kills Kylo. Force ghosts of Luke, Obi-Wan, Yoda, and Anakin flank Rey and together they all vanquish Palpatine once and for all.

Basically is what I'm getting out of it.

Not that bad after all. Maybe they can really save this trilogy. They would still need to explain who Snoke was and try to make Luke's actions in TLJ a little more coherent.

[Sumac]

Spoiler:

Idea of force ghosts fighting Palps is directly taken from early draft of Return of the Jedi.

It was canned, I think, after Lucas co-writers pointed out that it will look stupid.
Guess, JJ is not so lucky with his co-writers.

[Vegita-San]

Originally Posted by frank_one

Not that bad after all. Maybe they can really save this trilogy. They would still need to explain who Snoke was and try to make Luke's actions in TLJ a little more coherent.

Impossible. especially that last part.

Re reading 'legends'. Luke hesitated in killing a mindless mutant monster on coruscant 'a corridor ghoul' just to avoid needless killing, even of a monster.

that's the luke people wanted to see. not someone who tried to murder his nephew on a what if.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by Vegita-San

not someone who tried to murder his nephew on a what if.

Not to defend TLJ, but he wasn't trying to. He was just thinking about it, then thought better of it but too late... Kylo was awake and it looked bad.