Star Wars: Episode IX

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by MikeandRaph87

The main thing that is hurting Rise of Skywalker is The Last Jedi. Cannot blame Abrams. This is on Johnson. There would be no detractors stating risks are needed or liberal themes are essential. Whatever happened to democracy dying with thunderous applause?

You can blame him a little bit. The other versions of the third act sound a lot better than what we got. Kennedy rejected them, of course, but JJ doesn't seem like he went down swinging at all on them.

[MikeandRaph87]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

You can blame him a little bit. The other versions of the third act sound a lot better than what we got. Kennedy rejected them, of course, but JJ doesn't seem like he went down swinging at all on them.

The six endings? If Disney wants our money they should do a DVD/Blu-Ray like The Rogue edition only to have the five other endings and in a way fans can choose an alternative ending if he or she so chooses. I need to see the list of six endings again.


Also, I do believe that the idea that Sheev Palpatine revived as the embodiment of all Sith is likely. Rey may not be the embodiment of the Jedi, but if Sheev died and was a le to bring himself back and going by the dialogue this is a novel to clear it up.

[Voltron]

I thought it did a pretty good job of damage control, considering what a tire fire TLJ was. It was better than TLJ, anyway.

The biggest problem with these movies was lack of character development.

Finn and Poe are interesting characters who went absolutely NO WHERE. I was hoping to see either of them develop in to something. But in the first movie Poe wasn't even paid attention to, and in the second movie we all but forgot that Finn had a past that needed explaining.

Then there's the Mary Sue in Rey. I wasn't happy that the first movie more or less followed ANH beat for beat, but then they refused to let Rey suffer at all. And that's where character development comes from.

Contrasting her with Luke, she doesn't study or train. She doesn't experience any hardship that isn't solved in two minutes. Hell, she doesn't even have costume changes. In the original trilogy, Luke wore something different in each film. White at first to indicate purity. Empire had an older and more experienced Luke in dusty gray. Finally, Luke shows up in jet black in Jedi to show that he's a totally different person from the first film.

Rey? Nothing. Same damn thing every film.

And they tried to fix it a little in this film. She at least **** the bed a couple times. She trained with Leia (suggesting some ignorance in Rey). She botched the Chewie rescue. She even died for a second against Palpatine. There was at least something relatable there.


But the biggest problem I ever had was that Abrams did NOTHING to resurrect the Skywalker line. That's the whole reason I do just about ANYTHING Star Wars. And that's still ruined.

I'll always consider these cluster ****s of a film series to be some weird film school failure that doesn't fit into the continuity in any way.

[CyberCubed]

It’s strange they had problems giving Finn and Poe things to do and on top of that kept adding all these new pointless characters each movie to barely do anything with them:

Maz the orange alien lady, decent role in TFA and forgotten in the next two films
Holdo was pointless, she existed for a suicide run and to argue with Poe
Rose was poorly handled in TLJ then nonexistent in this film
New Black woman is introduced to essentially be Finn’s sidekick and have the same role as Rose
Poe’s girlfriend or whatever who I don’t even remember her name was pointless.

Why add in all these new characters? They felt like they just took screentime away from the main 3 which needed more.

Feels like Kylo Ren was the real star of the trilogy mainly due to Adam Driver’s acting. Had any other actor been cast in Kylo’s role I don’t think they would be able to sell it like Adam Driver did.

[Voltron]

That, and he's the only one with a serious conflict to deal with. He hates his family. He's prone to fits of rage. He wants power, but he's constantly under the thumb of some older, more experienced guy. Hell, even his light saber is kind of messy and sloppy and different.

Finn could've been an awesome story arc if they stuck with it. The idea of him rising up and going after Phasma would've been great. Even more so as a Jedi beating her ass.

Poe never had a chance. The first movie he disappeared for the entire thing. The second movie he was cast as an impulsive boob. The last movie we find out he was some swarthy Han Solo character the entire time but we're not going to explore that aspect of him.

It was like a four year old told the story. Everything was happening at once, details were just introduced without ceremony, and at least one of the characters was a god.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by MikeandRaph87

The six endings? If Disney wants our money they should do a DVD/Blu-Ray like The Rogue edition only to have the five other endings and in a way fans can choose an alternative ending if he or she so chooses. I need to see the list of six endings again.

It'd be neat, but there's really no precedent for TPTB ever doing something like that.

Also, I do believe that the idea that Sheev Palpatine revived as the embodiment of all Sith is likely. Rey may not be the embodiment of the Jedi, but if Sheev died and was a le to bring himself back and going by the dialogue this is a novel to clear it up.

It's not really clear at all what was going on with him. Like, all dead Sith Lords are inside him, somehow? And is the Palpatine on Exegol the ORIGINAL Palpatine? Was the RotJ Emperor a clone? Was the Palpatine on Exegol suppoesd to be the same Palpatine as the RotJ one, yet somehow survived/escasped the Death Star II explosion (the burnt off fingers, etc.)? I'm really not clear at all.

Originally Posted by Voltron

e first movie more or less followed ANH beat for beat, but then they refused to let Rey suffer at all. And that's where character development comes from.

Contrasting her with Luke, she doesn't study or train. She doesn't experience any hardship that isn't solved in two minutes.

I think the "she's Palpatine's granddaughter" was supposed to be the magic fixit for things. It's not enough.

Hell, she doesn't even have costume changes.

That bothered me, too. They gave her a slightly different grey outfit in TLJ, but here she's back to her TFA outfit. Doesn't even change her hair.

But the biggest problem I ever had was that Abrams did NOTHING to resurrect the Skywalker line. That's the whole reason I do just about ANYTHING Star Wars. And that's still ruined.

Seems like he was just towing the company line. TPTB (probably Kennedy) drank the Youtube koolaid about "the Skywalker family selfishly destroyed the galaxy, so it should go away!"

I never thought the "Rise of Skywalker" title would end up being ironic, though.

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

It’s strange they had problems giving Finn and Poe things to do and on top of that kept adding all these new pointless characters each movie to barely do anything with them:

It's really got to be as simple as "we need new toys on the shelves!" right? I can't fathom any other explanation for their genesis.

The Rose thing really puzzles me, though. They could have easily merged her with the new black lady and had her stuff with Finn in TLJ bear fruit.

Originally Posted by Voltron

It was like a four year old told the story. Everything was happening at once, details were just introduced without ceremony, and at least one of the characters was a god.

JJ has finally been exposed as a poor storyteller. Let him direct, not write.

[Vegita-San]

where to begin?

- More incest kissing. Ben is a skywalker. rey is a skywalker. both decended from palpatine. one more directly.

- Palps has the power to temporarily incapacitate an entire fleet, but not over take two crossed lightsabers?

-Why did Poe need a 'love' interest? totally pointless character.

- Why did finn need to meet a few ex stormtroopers? BOTH totally pointless characters.

-D0. Dumbest idea ever.


- 3P0 memory wipe. new they didn't have the balls to go through with it for the long term. Also, considering the senate /sith thing was BEFORE his last memory wipe....why would that programming still be in there?

- at least rose felt a little more like a character this time around.

- Jamming speeders? since when is this possible? Also, they knew about that, something never brought up before, but didn't know about flying storm troopers? something we've seen in CW and Rebels?

- Death star Tech on star destroyers.... my god. It took an entire space station to house one planet destroying laser last time. how much could they have condensed it in 30 years?

- Where did this cult come from that was honoring palps? where where they before?

- The Falcon needing constant repairs seemed to get dropped halfway through the movie. probably why it might have blown up in one of the cuts.

- there is stuff that could have been cut from this to keep the run time down. the trip to the snowy planet. lots of stuff with threepio's memory alien.



All in all? it was far better than The Last Jedi, but that isn't saying much. These movies ALL seem the same. Turn one on, you could be watching the other. and they've shown NOTHING new...apart from a whole bunch of new aliens, very few of them being memorable for their 2 seconds of screen time.

this was just a review off the top of my head.

If we got this as ep 8, more respect for the OT characters....and a better plot than sith vrs rebels...we might have had something workable. as it is, the biggest waste of actor talent ever.

[IMJ]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

I think the "she's Palpatine's granddaughter" was supposed to be the magic fixit for things. It's not enough.

If this trilogy could've unfolded coherently and completely without the Last Jedi as it were, then this direction could've been great.

[CyberCubed]

Originally Posted by Vegita-San

where to begin?

- More incest kissing. Ben is a skywalker. rey is a skywalker. both decended from palpatine.

There is no incest kissing. Ben and Rey have no blood relation. I don’t know how the hell this keeps coming up.

[frank_one]

At some point when they infiltrate on a First Order ship they start destroying security cameras. Since when there are security cameras in the Star Wars universe?

[Vegita-San]

Originally Posted by frank_one

At some point when they infiltrate on a First Order ship they start destroying security cameras. Since when there are security cameras in the Star Wars universe?

I THINK(not sure) those things they shoot in a New Hope (That they make a point to show , one is all squares, the others is an opal type shape)....are the listening devices.

What I wanted to know is..

How can you land on a star destroyer, and get close enough to do so, but your fast snub fighters can't get close enough, long enough to fire off a shot at t he signal macguffin?

ugh.

[CyberCubed]

Originally Posted by IMJ

If this trilogy could've unfolded coherently and completely without the Last Jedi as it were, then this direction could've been great.

That has nothing to do with that though. Rey’s parents are still nobodies, but she’s now a Palpatine to explain her force powers being so strong. Rian wanted it to be that anyone can be powerful with the force and not be related to Skywalkers or Palpatine’s, and it would have worked just as well. That’s also what the broom kid was for.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by IMJ

If this trilogy could've unfolded coherently and completely without the Last Jedi as it were, then this direction could've been great.

Yeah, everything hinged on TLJ doing stuff and setting stuff up for IX to run with. It didn't.

This pretty well sums things up:

[CyberCubed]

All 3 movies were filled with pointless sidequests that ate up time. TLJ really only set up Luke, Rey’s training and of course the Rey/Kylo dynamic which climaxed in this movie. The Finn/Rose Casino planet subplot, and Holdo/Poe stuff could have been cut entirely and not much would change.

They should have scaled down the movies in scope. This movie spent the whole first hour like a quest from an RPG videogame finding the dagger before the plot really kicked in.

[Andrew NDB]

It might have been they approach TROS like a lot of tentpole movies these days (and like TMNT 2014 did)... like, they come up with a bunch of set pieces and trailer moments, THEN write the story around them to connect them into a narrative.

[MikeandRaph87]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

There is no incest kissing. Ben and Rey have no blood relation. I don’t know how the hell this keeps coming up.

LucasFilm made a statement this week stating that Palatine did not manipulate midcholarians to impregnate Shimi Skywalker by the Force. The company wants to have Anakin's origin an official mystery after 20 years. I will not change my view of it just because LucasFilm changed its mind.

It is also my opinion that due to that Rey and Ben are Force cousins one removed. The kiss rubbed me the wrong way even if not romantic, a lip lock as a thank you even if it is trading life forces? Nah.


One thing that stood out was when Ben states, "Your parents were nobodies because they chose to be" when he was rather insistent that her parents were sorry individuals sold her for drinking money. That was the equivalent onscreen message of the film that stood out as a 4th wall statement to Luke tossing the lightsaber down the cliff like it was nothing in The Last Jedi.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by MikeandRaph87

LucasFilm made a statement this week stating that Palatine did not manipulate midcholarians to impregnate Shimi Skywalker by the Force.

Where can one find this statement?

If true, what's the alternative? Raped in her sleep? Lying to Anakin and having a secret lover?

[CyberCubed]

IIRC the writers of that comic said Palpatine did not create Anakin, I saw it posted somewhere online, either twitter/reddit or someplace. You can probably search for it.

Originally Posted by MikeandRaph87

One thing that stood out was when Ben states, "Your parents were nobodies because they chose to be" when he was rather insistent that her parents were sorry individuals sold her for drinking money. That was the equivalent onscreen message of the film that stood out as a 4th wall statement to Luke tossing the lightsaber down the cliff like it was nothing in The Last Jedi.

Mainly because J.J. just couldn't let Rey be from nobody. Even though one of her parents were Palpatine's they never amounted to anything.

So in a way what Kylo said was true, from a certain point of view.

[Leo656]

Even if Palpatine used the Midichlorians to impregnate Anakin's mother - and I'm holding to that explanation because it's the only one we have AND it's what the original Word of God was - but that STILL doesn't make Rey and Ben Solo related in any way whatsoever.

No shared DNA, no familial link, nothing, zero, done. Palpatine may have "created" Anakin but he wouldn't have had a single drop of Palpatine DNA in him unless Palpatine physically banged his mom, and as far as we know that didn't happen.

If they eventually reveal that he DID bang Anakin's mom... that's different, but I still personally wouldn't count it because all Disney Star Wars stuff is fanfic to me, anyway.

But UNTIL then, no, they simply are not related, period.

[MikeandRaph87]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

Where can one find this statement?

If true, what's the alternative? Raped in her sleep? Lying to Anakin and having a secret lover?

This is what I am referring to. I don't agree with the 180, but its desired by Lucasfilm to have Anakin's immaculate conception a mystery.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/dorksideoftheforce.com/2019/12/23/star-wars-lucasfilm-story-group-palpatine-created-anakin/amp/