Indiana Jones 5 Announced For 2019

[IMJ]

I can't believe an Indiana Jones film is in development hell. Ridiculous. I hope they do something different. No deserts. Maybe a tundra or something.

[Sumac]

Originally Posted by IMJ

I can't believe an Indiana Jones film is in development hell. Ridiculous. I hope they do something different. No deserts. Maybe a tundra or something.

If your main star can fall apart after even gentle push, you'd think twice about how to construct action scenes!

As last two Star Wars movies has proved, even super mega big name is not an absolute protection from suckage and bad critical reception. Crystal Skull already was veering on the edge of mediocrity for the most people, so no wonder they need to take time and make (final?) IJ into something good and special, so as not to be remembered as a another franchise that had ended on a **** note.

[sdp]

#bringbackmutt

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by sdp

#bringbackmutt

They might as well, honestly.

[IMJ]

Originally Posted by Sumac

If your main star can fall apart after even gentle push, you'd think twice about how to construct action scenes!

It's hard to believe there was a period of time where no one would ever think such a thing about Ford.

[Sumac]

Originally Posted by sdp

#bringbackmutt

I am fine with that.
He wasn't the worst thing about CS and with a better writing he might be quite good.

[Leo656]

I really didn't mind Crystal Skull. It felt weird at first, but I still liked it, and when I read them explain what they were trying to do with the aliens and everything, tying the film's story in with the pop culture of its contemporary setting the way swashbuckling, Nazi-fighting pulp hero stuff was en vogue during the period the original Indiana Jones films were set in, it made a lot of sense to me.

I'unno, I catch it sometimes. It doesn't bother me. "Last Crusade" will probably always be my favorite but I'd probably watch Crystal Skull before Temple of Doom.

Not to be morbid or "jinx" anything, but I'll be a little surprised if this thing actually gets made. Clock is ticking, y'know? I'd love to see one more, just as a fan, but... the longer they wait, the less they can actually do from a practical perspective, and let's face it, they're already on borrowed time.

[sdp]

I liked mutt just fine and Indy wasn't horrible my ranking would likely be 1>3>4>2

I don't need Harrison Ford to be young, of course someone else needs to do the action scenes. They already passed the torch in 4, why not just have Mutt again? If he's not there then I hope there's a valid explanation. Hell have Ford lose an eye so it can be in continuity with the Indy tv show.

[Leo656]

Like, I like the character of Mutt just fine but I really hate Shia. I wouldn't be at all upset with a recasting. It would be silly to just write the character out of things completely, I'd frankly be pretty annoyed about that.

I remember a lot of the backlash at the time was basically Shia Fatigue. Not all of it, obviously, there were a lot of things about the movie that people didn't like, such as the aliens and whatnot, but he definitely had a lot of negative heat on him at the time after the first couple Transformers movies. He was obviously cast in Crystal Skull because he was "hot" at the time but they were a little tone deaf to the fact that a lot of people really, actively didn't want to see him in anything in that moment, and anything he was in was going to get some grief just by association.

He was definitely MY least favorite part, but I liked the rest of the movie just fine. I just can't watch him in anything. He's basically just coked out of his mind constantly, that's his "method" and it's exhausting to watch.

My personal ranking is 3>1>4>2 but I acknowledge that Raiders is superior as a film to Crusade. I just really like all the father-son stuff with Indy and Sean Connery. Very heartfelt, very moving. Raiders is a better film but if I only pick one to watch on a lazy weekend afternoon it's always Crusade.

[Andrew NDB]

Jeeze... my ratings have fluctuated over the years a lot. Right now? 1>3>2>4. Not a HUGE gap between any of them, really. And actually on subsequent rewatchings of 4 I actually enjoy it more. It sort of... arced. It came out, I liked it more than 2. Then I picked at it and picked at it. Then I came back with a fresh perspective and rather enjoy it for what it is, with only a couple of eye-rolling moments.

[Leo656]

To this day whenever I have any "real life" conversations with anyone about it, they just whine about the Aliens and how stuff like that has no business in Indiana Jones. How he should've still been fighting Nazis 20-odd years later or chasing another religious artifact.

I mean, I get it. But like I said, once I read about how they were basically just trying to connect it with contemporary pop culture trends of the late-50s when the film takes place - sci-fi and aliens being the big draws in that moment, the same way they'd done with swashbuckling pulp heroes, femme fatales and Nazi-punchers which were popular in the 30s and 40s, it all made a lot of sense and I find it to be kind of creative. They wanted Indy's adventures to continue to be relevant to the era in which he was existing and to continue to parallel what was hip in entertainment during those different eras.

I know some people didn't get it and others got it but didn't like it. I'unno. There were a few fumbles but I've never thought it was anywhere near as bad as most people insist. To me it felt like the reaction to Episode I, where everyone spent 30 years writing the next movie in their head and so when the movie actually came out it suffered from not meeting impossible expectations.

I did talk to a buddy once who hated it, then re-watched it after we talked about it and he said that he liked it a lot more the second time when he went into it with a better understanding of what they were trying to accomplish. So that's something I guess. He said the aliens thing bugged him so much the first time he just rejected the entire thing, but it sat better with him the second time. ((shrug))

[Andrew NDB]

You could apply the same arguments in support of Indy 4 (the 50s sensibility, the things relevant to that era and what TV and movies felt like then) as you could what Lucas was going for in the SW prequels. Because he was.

My only lingering nits with 4 aren't the aliens, but just how over the top they went with SFX. The truck chase spiraling over bottomless ravines, the monkey swinging business, the CGI fire ant craziness, things like that. Where they should have played things more close to the vest and more low key, smaller, maybe opt for more intimate character stuff (but still with grit) as opposed to the more fantastical or grandiose (in no small part to Indy being much older than when we saw him last)... instead they went the opposite route, for bigger and more stuff happening everywhere.

[Leo656]

Oh my, yes. Yes to all of that, I agree wholeheartedly.

To be fair, George and Steven were both in their "Oooooohhhh, look at what we can make with our shiny new computer toys!" phase, which was affecting everything in Hollywood at the time. It's like a kid figuring out Photoshop filters for the first time, they just stick sh*t anywhere with no rhyme or reason because they're having fun playing with their new toy. It's not until going back to it way later on where you're like, "Wow, that looks like sh*t." But then I'm adamantly anti-CGI except when absolutely necessary, anyway. Although pretty much none of the CGI in that movie couldn't have been done with practical effects. Just Kids Playing With Their New Toys, is all.

Good insight on the prequels as well. I was pretty big into Star Wars at the time so I was devouring all the behind-the-scenes media I could get my hands on. I think that might be why the Prequels sat better with me than with most. Certain choices that most people found questionable didn't bother me so much because they'd already been explained to me, kinda.

[Andrew NDB]

None of the prequels let me down, really. 2 came the closest to, and maybe did on some levels, but all of them I saw in the theater and still walked out with awe and a satisfaction that I'd seen a new Star Wars movie. Sure, I'd come out going, "But man I wish this had happened instead of that, or we'd gotten this sooner" but who cares. It took chances and gave new stuff.

[Leo656]

Yeah, my Dad was never a space movie or science fiction guy but I managed to get him to watch Star Wars with me right before Episode I came out and he actually enjoyed them, partially because they reminded him of the old pulp serials and WWII dogfight movies he always liked from when he was little.

We ended up seeing all three of the Prequels in theaters together and he liked them a lot. We never had much in common and our relationship as a whole was often very strained, so I'll always have a soft spot for those movies, not entirely but in part because they gave us something to connect over and enjoy together, which was increasingly rare by that point.

[Andrew NDB]

Well this turned around fast. Indiana Jones 5 films in 2 months:

https://www.darkhorizons.com/fifth-i...in-two-months/

[IMJ]

I really, really hope they don't go the "Indy's daughter in movie to T.V. show" thing we heard about last month or so. But given the proximity of that leak to Ford's confirmation that he's starting to film, I think it might be true.

As for the Indy films we have so far? There are a zillion Indy novels and comics showing other "Adventures". I always sort of take TOD and KOTCS as examples of the stuff he basically went around doing all the time. So his standout career events were Raiders and Crusade.

I've always considered Raiders and Crusade to be directly correlated - Crusade is a legit Sequel to Raiders - thematically and in relevance. It would be really great if this movie was proportionately as solid as Raiders and Crusade, forming a bit of a coherent feeling trilogy.

[Andrew NDB]

They've said over and over again it won't be a passing of the torch thing so it should be fine.

[Andrew NDB]

Hm:

https://www.darkhorizons.com/ford-ma...indy-goodness/

"We’ve got some scheduling issues and a few script things to do, but we are determined to get it right before we get it made."

So... the same exact place it's been for years now?

[CyberCubed]

Harrison Ford is 77 years old. If this doesn't get done in the next 2 years it won't. I don't think 80+ year old Ford will be trying to make this work.