"Star Trek:" Section 31

[Andrew NDB]

One step forward, two steps back... "Section 31" starts filming after STD season 3 wraps:

https://www.space.com/star-trek-sect...Hm7YORY2WX8AJs

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

One step forward, two steps back... "Section 31" starts filming after STD season 3 wraps:

https://www.space.com/star-trek-sect...Hm7YORY2WX8AJs

I'd be more excited it it was post-DS9/Nemesis, following Bashir (and maybe Dax and O'Brien) digging into the conspiracy of Section 31 and pursuing Luther Sloan... THAT $hit would be dope.

And I loved Captain Philippa Georgiou, but her Mirror Empress counterpart doesn't really interest me much.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy

I'd be more excited it it was post-DS9/Nemesis, following Bashir (and maybe Dax and O'Brien) digging into the conspiracy of Section 31 and pursuing Luther Sloan... THAT $hit would be dope.

That'd be awesome. I guess there's still the off chance that Georgiou takes the time travel suit and ends up in the 24th century instead of the 23rd, but probably pretty unlikely.

And I loved Captain Philippa Georgiou, but her Mirror Empress counterpart doesn't really interest me much.

Yeah. Like, what do you even do with that, that's interesting? In a supersecret black ops show? She's supposed to be chameleon spy/secret agent in a universe she's only known for like a few weeks, trusted with everything.

[IMJ]

Originally Posted by CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy

I'd be more excited it it was post-DS9/Nemesis

This is what I see most people say and it reflects my thoughts as well - let this prequel nonsense go. Move forward post-Nemesis.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

That'd be awesome. I guess there's still the off chance that Georgiou takes the time travel suit and ends up in the 24th century instead of the 23rd, but probably pretty unlikely.

I'd hate that anyway. Ugh.

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

Yeah. Like, what do you even do with that, that's interesting? In a supersecret black ops show? She's supposed to be chameleon spy/secret agent in a universe she's only known for like a few weeks, trusted with everything.

Maybe the Section 31 show starts with Georgiou and then does a time jump through Starfleet's history, and we get an anthology of Section 31 working throughout history? And then finally end up with Bashir taking up a vendetta against them post Nemesis?

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy

Maybe the Section 31 show starts with Georgiou and then does a time jump through Starfleet's history, and we get an anthology of Section 31 working throughout history? And then finally end up with Bashir taking up a vendetta against them post Nemesis?

I'd be down for that... though it sounds like the only reason this show is even going to exist is because they really, really like having and working with Michelle Yeoh. Without her -- for them -- there is no show.

[IMJ]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

I'd be down for that... though it sounds like the only reason this show is even going to exist is because they really, really like having and working with Michelle Yeoh. Without her -- for them -- there is no show.

I absolutely believe this.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

I'd be down for that... though it sounds like the only reason this show is even going to exist is because they really, really like having and working with Michelle Yeoh. Without her -- for them -- there is no show.

Originally Posted by IMJ

I absolutely believe this.

Sigh. Yeah... more 23rd-century prequel bull$hit.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy

Sigh. Yeah... more 23rd-century prequel bull$hit.

With occasional appearances by the STD Enterprise and its 200 starfighters and R2D2 units, no doubt. And Spock stuff.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

With occasional appearances by the STD Enterprise and its 200 starfighters and R2D2 units, no doubt. And Spock stuff.

...

Maybe this is going to be Pike and nuEnterprise against Section 31. With (sigh) somehow Georgiou playing both sides against the other.

[IMJ]

I recall seeing somewhere that a Captain Pike show is a possibility.

Honestly, if these people need to do something "new" with Star Trek, then I completely stand by the idea of a show that follows a different ship and crew each season. You could literally have a series that has 7 seasons of Trek featuring 7 different eras of the franchise.

[Andrew NDB]

Which was the original idea for STD. Originally with the first showrunner it was going to be an anthology deal, like American Horror Story. Like, 1 season on Burnham, then season 2 could be a return to TNG, then 3 a trip back to the 22nd century, or whatever. Kurtzman didn't like that.

A Pike show, I really hope they don't. They'd just be Kurtzmaning in the same problems as STD, making whack 23rd century stuff that doesn't remotely connect to canon. Plus between Section 31 and a Pike show they'd be tempting themselves into doing even MORE 23rd century spinoff crap, as opposed to like a 25th century show on an Enterprise.

Also, don't forget they're still looking at a Khan prequel series:

https://screenrant.com/star-trek-khan-tv-show/

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

Which was the original idea for STD. Originally with the first showrunner it was going to be an anthology deal, like American Horror Story. Like, 1 season on Burnham, then season 2 could be a return to TNG, then 3 a trip back to the 22nd century, or whatever. Kurtzman didn't like that.

A Pike show, I really hope they don't. They'd just be Kurtzmaning in the same problems as STD, making whack 23rd century stuff that doesn't remotely connect to canon. Plus between Section 31 and a Pike show they'd be tempting themselves into doing even MORE 23rd century spinoff crap, as opposed to like a 25th century show on an Enterprise.

Also, don't forget they're still looking at a Khan prequel series:

https://screenrant.com/star-trek-khan-tv-show/

I don't get why everyone is so in love with Anson Mount's Pike. So what? Pike was boring. Dude sat in a wheelchair with a purple birthmark and beep beeped.

At least Enterprise explored a period of time completely new to Star Trek, even if it was a prequel. That's a well-done prequel (or at least it grew until a well-done prequel).

10 years before Kirk is just an uninspiring choice.

[IMJ]

Originally Posted by CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy

I don't get why everyone is so in love with Anson Mount's Pike. So what? Pike was boring. Dude sat in a wheelchair with a purple birthmark and beep beeped.

At least Enterprise explored a period of time completely new to Star Trek, even if it was a prequel. That's a well-done prequel (or at least it grew until a well-done prequel).

10 years before Kirk is just an uninspiring choice.

I think people resonate with Pike because he's such a "Mary Sue" character on Discovery that he's the only part of that show that truly resonates with long-time fans. That was a backhanded compliment, I know but I think there are truly two truths there.

I had no interest in Enterprise when it first came out. Then I watched it on netflix during the science fiction glut of the early 2010's and it became my favorite Trek show - or at least a close tie with TNG. Enterprise was killed before it's time - if any Trek deserved a movie, it would've been Enterprise.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Originally Posted by IMJ

I think people resonate with Pike because he's such a "Mary Sue" character on Discovery that he's the only part of that show that truly resonates with long-time fans. That was a backhanded compliment, I know but I think there are truly two truths there.

I had no interest in Enterprise when it first came out. Then I watched it on netflix during the science fiction glut of the early 2010's and it became my favorite Trek show - or at least a close tie with TNG. Enterprise was killed before it's time - if any Trek deserved a movie, it would've been Enterprise.

Enterprise really did need a movie, but people loved to $hit on that show. I always thought the next show should be Star Trek: Federation. Cover the Romulan War, the membership growing pains... cameos from Archer, T'Pol, Shran, etc, but with a new crew and new ship. A movie could've covered some of the same ground.

[Andrew NDB]

Jesus... this looks so much worse than I ever imagined.

[neatoman]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

Jesus... this looks so much worse than I ever imagined.

I hated the music, the dialogue and the jokes. I really don't want to see what the actual show is like if this is a snippet of the "best" it has to offer.

[CyberCubed]

This is a relic of Discovery that is somehow worse than the worst parts of Discovery.

[Andrew NDB]

It comes out tomorrow. Is everybody stoked?

I really wonder what the behind the scenes pitch session for this was like. I mean, there almost undoubtedly wasn't one, as like most things Kurtzman just made it happen out of thin air, but if there was...

"What if we made a movie that doubles down on everything even generally the most flexible Star Trek fans agree are the worst aspects seen in the franchise?"

"..."

"What if we did it anyway?"

[IMJ]

The review I read about this was utterly vitriolic. I don't know if I can bring myself to watch it.