Gamespot Review

[slipmaskin]

Originally Posted by Karpo_007

The reviews aren't fair, peroid. A block button would be nice, but it wasn't in the old games either. The game does not create anything new, but it's fun as hell. fact is, that if you really like the old games, you will like the new game.

They sau they like the old games, but new is not fun. It's the same thing if you say you like Super MArio Bros 3, But Super Mario world is not fun. Like I said, the game does not offer anything that haven't been seen before, but it's a good and fun game. As the review is now, it's far from fair critcism.

The reviews are fair (this is generalizing, since it's impossible for me to take every single review in defence) in that they portray what's inherently WRONG with the concept... though it sure is a mystery, those who cling to the old TMNT-mashers (well, mainly the Arcade Game, since it's the most basic one) in favor of the new one(s), as the presentation is nearly identical. I mean, seriously, the Arcade Game was/is a snooze-fest... one button for attack, one for jump ? This genre doesn't need simplicity, it needs a spark of complexity. Oh, and the ability to block wasn't a necessity in the previous incarnations; this time around, the enemies can throw combos at you. It would have been a welcome addition for sure, along with some other stealthy moves..

I feel that the following line in the very first Gamefaqs-review of this altered beast, sums it upp pretty nicely:

"It's understandable that Konami wanted to implement the classic button masher arcade we all liked, however, as time went by, a lot of us lost our simplistic taste and require the much needed variety to liven up gameplay."

I'm just saying, they (Konami) could've done so much more with the main fundamentals. But you know, they didn't. Too bad.

[Reznorite420]

Originally Posted by slipmaskin

I mean, seriously, the Arcade Game was/is a snooze-fest... one button for attack, one for jump ? This genre doesn't need simplicity, it needs a spark of complexity.

I'm just saying, they (Konami) could've done so much more with the main fundamentals. But you know, they didn't. Too bad.

Tell me when your 10th birthday comes around, maybe I'll give you something

On the contrary, this complexity that you speak of is the main thing I absolutely HATE about video "games" today. A game is not meant to be something complex and realistic *coughKNIGHTSOFTHEOLDREPUBLICcough*. What's the fun in using most of the game time to select which response to choose out of umpteenbillion, pausing the game to switch weapons and spending 5 minutes in the process of targeting the enemy the right way, gathering an entire dictionary's worth of information just to raise your intelligence/cunning/strength/other pointless attribute one lousy point, and things like that?

And you have the nerve to call the orignal TMNT game a snooze fest? At least in a game like that you're active in it all the time as oppposed to to wandering around like an idiot to gather information and fending off an occasional tough guy here and there.

As you can see, I hate these modern-day lousy excuses for video "games".

[Bowser_Koopa]

don't like it, don't play it

[slipmaskin]

Originally Posted by Reznorite420

Tell me when your 10th birthday comes around, maybe I'll give you something

On the contrary, this complexity that you speak of is the main thing I absolutely HATE about video "games" today. A game is not meant to be something complex and realistic *coughKNIGHTSOFTHEOLDREPUBLICcough*. What's the fun in using most of the game time to select which response to choose out of umpteenbillion, pausing the game to switch weapons and spending 5 minutes in the process of targeting the enemy the right way, gathering an entire dictionary's worth of information just to raise your intelligence/cunning/strength/other pointless attribute one lousy point, and things like that?

And you have the nerve to call the orignal TMNT game a snooze fest? At least in a game like that you're active in it all the time as oppposed to to wandering around like an idiot to gather information and fending off an occasional tough guy here and there.

As you can see, I hate these modern-day lousy excuses for video "games".

Er, what you say ? A game DOES NOT have to be too intricate for its own good, but that doesn't automatically mean it has to be stripped down to its bare essence, containing no deph (PLEASE don't take that literally) whatsoever. There's something inbetween you know. Your logic is so unreasonable. I'm not talking about transforming the franchise into a deep strategy title, I'm talking about adding some elements, enhancing the basic gameplay into something a bit more fresh, with some VARIETY for God's sake. Again, you're going to extremes, and that's quite bothersome...

And WTF. Since WHEN did I call the ORIGINAL TMNT-game a snooze-fest ? I was CLEARLY referring to the Arcade Game, I mean, by God, you quoted that particular line yourself.. Jebus... as I was EXPLICITLY saying in my original post, I love that game (the ORIGINAL for the NES!), I hold it in the highest regard when it comes to the TMNT-branch of games. You know what you doing ?

I'm not sure... if the OVERLY simplistic stuff such as the current TMNT-games (hack & slash yourself into chronic boredom) is the only thing that appeals to you, I must say you're limiting yourself in ways I didn't think were imaginable.

[slipmaskin]

For clarification's sake, the Arcade Game in the context I uttered it, is short for TMNT II - The arcade game, for NES. Which means, to me, that the ultimate 'original' is the NES-one.

[Peanut]

I'm gonna have to agree with the minority on this one. The game is fun, yes, but to an extent! There isn't enough variation. The game DOES getting boring quite a few time. I found myself playing through just because it was TMNT and not because I was really enjoying myself. After the subway area in the Nano stage I was begging for it to end. Every time I thought I'd come to the end in the Notes to the Underground level it kept going. It was just the same thing for TOO LONG! The levels weren't anything new either. While each one sported it's own look and feel they were all basically flat. Just run forward into a crowd and hit. Let's just face the facts. If this game wasn't based around TMNT and instead was just some random other franchise almost nobody here would buy it. My friend is the perfect example of this. He plays Hulk for about half an hour and says "This is such a boring game. It's all the same." He plays TMNT and says "THIS GAME FRIGGIN RULES!!!" and Hulk has more variation that TMNT has. TMNT is a fun game. If you want to play it and say it's the best ever then by all means do it, but when you start calling down these reviews and the reviewers because they don't have the same kind of hardcore love for TMNT that we have...well that's when you need to stop and think.

[Karpo_007]

The reviewer said It is not a fun game, and that She does not recommend it, even to TMNT fans.

And Slipmasking, when we are refering the original game, we are of course talking about the Arcade game, since it's the first TMNT game ever made. The NES version of it was simplified, it's should not even be meantioned.

It seems you don't like the Arcade games, then I'm sure you won't like this one either. It is more complex than them, but still very simple game. Not everyone enjoys the genre.

[Bowser_Koopa]

'NUFF OF THIS PLEASE! this topic is turning a lil' bii defensive, if u want to play it play it, if u think is bad, its bad to u, if u think it needs new stuff but u like it, then amen, play it, but let's not argue about it anymore ok

[Karpo_007]

I agree, there is no reason to argue about the game, you like it Or you don't. But a reviwew that says tha the game is worth it, even to TMNT fans, I will never consider fair. And I'm talking about IGN's review of course, most of the others are decent.

[Peanut]

IGN constanly makes reviews like this. I've learned to take them with a grain of salt. That all started when they came out with all these previews for Brute Force saying it was going to be the next Halo. Saying it was an amazing game and telling people to pre-order on their site right away. Then the game comes out and they give it an 7 or something like that. Pretty pathetic.

[slipmaskin]

Originally Posted by Karpo_007

The reviewer said It is not a fun game, and that She does not recommend it, even to TMNT fans.

And Slipmasking, when we are refering the original game, we are of course talking about the Arcade game, since it's the first TMNT game ever made. The NES version of it was simplified, it's should not even be meantioned.

It seems you don't like the Arcade games, then I'm sure you won't like this one either. It is more complex than them, but still very simple game. Not everyone enjoys the genre.

Yeah, if we're supposed to be anal about it, sure. But they were both released in 1989 (The Arcade FOR the Arcades, contra the first entry for the NES), and quite frankly, I acknowledge the NES-debutant to a larger extent, simply because it's much more interesting.

Let's be true to ourselves. And yes, that includes those of you who seem completely satisfied with what we've been offered so far. We DO want more than this, right ? More than GENERIC (and I mean that in its truest sense) Beat 'em up, right ? The games are, granted, not TOTAL duds, but they can be bettered, RIGHT ? Are you with me or against me ?

And yeah, this is going nowhere fast... a one-way street is a one-way street no matter how you look at it. The reason why I'm bringing all this up, is to stray from all the conformity that's pouring from the group and its unified embrace of the game(s). Dissuading opinions so far have been.. well.. ultimately ignored, and that's a shame. Cudos to Michaelangelo (the boarder ) for agreeing with me, I'm not fighting the lone fight after all Anyway, I feel I've expressed some valid views, I'm not agitated at all, but yeah, it's time to put it to rest. Bury the hatchet even. I respect your values, but I don't entirely agree with them

To go on a tangent... has any of you lot played Viewtiful Joe yet ? That's one Action/Beat 'em up-oriented tale I'm actually looking forward to, as it feels.. well, you know, FRESH. Yes.

Well, yeah.

Yours truly,

/Matte

[slipmaskin]

Originally Posted by Michaelangelo

IGN constanly makes reviews like this. I've learned to take them with a grain of salt. That all started when they came out with all these previews for Brute Force saying it was going to be the next Halo. Saying it was an amazing game and telling people to pre-order on their site right away. Then the game comes out and they give it an 7 or something like that. Pretty pathetic.

Yeah, I must say those particular 'tactics' are quite the misleading slap in the face.. better to be safe than sorry!

[Karpo_007]

Of course no game is perfect, for a sequel I would wan't atleast four player support

[Peanut]

I don't really see the four player happening. Mostly because the game slows down quite a bit with two players. I couldn't imagine it with 4.

I've played Viewtiful Joe. Great game. Really great. It feels so old skool yet it has the depth of a next gen game. It's the game that made me believe in love at first play!

[Eye of Sarnath]

I believe the Gamespot review is accurate.

[Barkworm]

Originally Posted by Michaelangelo

I've played Viewtiful Joe. Great game. Really great. It feels so old skool yet it has the depth of a next gen game. It's the game that made me believe in love at first play!

You're right, I haven't played it yet but all reviews are positive and the game looks really cool. I just wish it had a multiplayerpart. For the new TMNT-game, I'm not going to buy it, even the demo got boring after a while. Ok, it might be better than the other TMNT-games which were released a hundred of years ago ( ) but compared to current standards that's just not enough. Games like Viewtiful Joe show that simple games can be innovative, too.