Superman: The Man Of Tomorrow Animated Feature (2020)

[PApagreg]

Originally Posted by sdp

I said action cartoon, we don't need any more "adult" comedies.

I mean its technically both there are a lot of episodes with action scenes

[Leo656]

I don't know what it is about the Harley Quinn show but I'm not feeling it. I've only seen clips but it's not grabbing me.

For some reason, the same type of humor I enjoy when Robot Chicken uses it in a DC-centric skit, doesn't amuse me as much when it's an "official" product. I'm not sure entirely why that is, I just know that my reaction to A and B is completely different despite the jokes being pretty much the same. All the jokes about sex and bat-f*cking don't come off half as irritating and try-hard within the Robot Chicken framework as they do in this show.

Probably just me, I don't know. Either way, the more I've seen of the Harley show the less I wanna watch it.

[sdp]

I didn't know, the trailers they used to put on my job made it seem like strictly a comedy, it's the image they wanted to portray since I work for the parent company of dc.

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

It's kind of ironic Teen Titans Season 6 never did happen after all these years. Of any old show that got a revival, you would assume they would bring back the original 2003 series for at least one or two more seasons. I remember there being rumors about it a few years ago but nothing happened. I guess the movie Teen Titans Vs. TT Go is the closest we'll get. I consider it canon.

shippers prefer YJ over TT, also TTG is bigger than the original show, at this point i guess they see no demand sadly.

[neatoman]

Originally Posted by Leo656

I don't know what it is about the Harley Quinn show but I'm not feeling it. I've only seen clips but it's not grabbing me.

For some reason, the same type of humor I enjoy when Robot Chicken uses it in a DC-centric skit, doesn't amuse me as much when it's an "official" product. I'm not sure entirely why that is, I just know that my reaction to A and B is completely different despite the jokes being pretty much the same. All the jokes about sex and bat-f*cking don't come off half as irritating and try-hard within the Robot Chicken framework as they do in this show.

Probably just me, I don't know. Either way, the more I've seen of the Harley show the less I wanna watch it.

My problem with Harley Quinn TAS is that the characters, their dynamic seem to pretty much be whatever the writers want them to be just to make jokes or push the story in a desired direction. Here are some examples:

• When introduced, King Shark goes berserk around blood yet seem to either remain calm or get disgusted around blood in later episodes.
• Ivy directs Harley to seek out Queen of Fables to learn some important life lessons, yet warns her not to associate with her later on.
• Harley is stated to always having been seriously mentally ill, even from early childhood. Yet we're also meant to think she was calm/sane enough between graduating high school and the Joker sessions to earn her doctorate legitmately and make actual progress with some patients.
• Bane shifts from being genuinely stupid to a reasonably sensible guy getting belittled quite often.
• Lex Luthor tells Ivy that Harley was only invited to join the Legion of Doom in order to pressure Ivy to join, because if she doesn't then Harley doesn't get in either. When Harley is about to get in, Ivy tells her what Lex said but Harley gets in anyway. Harley thinks Ivy was trying to prevent her from finding success and gets mad. In the next episode however, they act as if all the blame was on Harley, even though Harley had more than enough reason to think Ivy lied.
• Early in season 2, Harley claims to have no interest in ruling Gotham, but when the A-list villains take over she claims they "stole" her chance to take over.

This sort of thing happens a little too much. I don't really get how they keep doing this, my best guess is that the writers are work from an outline but don't really care about being consistant with eachother.

[PApagreg]

Originally Posted by neatoman

[LIST][*]Ivy directs Harley to seek out Queen of Fables to learn some important life lessons, yet warns her not to associate with her later on.

Well that was when QOF was just a book and was relatively harmless and the woman does have good advice.

Originally Posted by neatoman

[*]Harley is stated to always having been seriously mentally ill, even from early childhood. Yet we're also meant to think she was calm/sane enough between graduating high school and the Joker sessions to earn her doctorate legitmately and make actual progress with some patients.

Maybe she was good at hiding it keep in mind she graduated valedictorian and was a great enough gymnast to qualify in the Olympics

Originally Posted by neatoman

[*]Bane shifts from being genuinely stupid to a reasonably sensible guy getting belittled quite often.

Its not that Bane in this show is dumb but he is kinda of a insecure dofus not to say he can see the big picture or make wise statements but sometimes he does dumb things.

Originally Posted by neatoman

[*]Lex Luthor tells Ivy that Harley was only invited to join the Legion of Doom in order to pressure Ivy to join, because if she doesn't then Harley doesn't get in either. When Harley is about to get in, Ivy tells her what Lex said but Harley gets in anyway. Harley thinks Ivy was trying to prevent her from finding success and gets mad. In the next episode however, they act as if all the blame was on Harley, even though Harley had more than enough reason to think Ivy lied.

What reason Ivy hated the LOD, helped Harley get and showed no sense of jealousy in so what reason would Harley think Ivy tried to prevent her into getting in.

[Voltron]

I don't mind the constant reboots. Sometimes it's good. Sometimes it's bad. Comics are mercurial in nature. The constant rewrites and retcons are bound to spill over to other media.

So long as we get a decent story, what's the harm?

As for the pantheon of characters: this is a business we're talking about. And you don't roll out your B material during an economic downturn. Right? So it's just Bats, Supes, and WW for the foreseeable future, I'd guess.

[ZariusTwo]

Originally Posted by PApagreg

Maybe she was good at hiding it

Maybe the writers could make it explicit so you don't have to use your imagination?

[neatoman]

Originally Posted by PApagreg

Well that was when QOF was just a book and was relatively harmless and the woman does have good advice.

While it is true that being a talking book would prevent you from causing physical harm, it would not prevent you from giving bad advice, like "Make a giant wolf maul children and their entire families to death in order to prevent anyone taking revenge on you" for example.

Originally Posted by PApagreg

Maybe she was good at hiding it keep in mind she graduated valedictorian and was a great enough gymnast to qualify in the Olympics

I wasn't going to post this page initially because I know some fans of the Harley Quinn character hate the implication that she did not deserve her doctorate, but it's just about the only way I can accept that someone who was always an unhinged and violent sociopath with low discipline could ever earn a doctorate:


Either that or a diploma mill like in the 2005 Batman cartoon. I just kind of pretend her progress with Ivy was just regular bonding that did not require much expertise, and that she was incompetent with every other patient. This version of Harley seems like she has such a short fuse that she'd get banned from campus quite quickly.

Originally Posted by PApagreg

Its not that Bane in this show is dumb but he is kinda of a insecure dofus not to say he can see the big picture or make wise statements but sometimes he does dumb things.

Sure, I'll accept that.

Originally Posted by PApagreg

What reason Ivy hated the LOD, helped Harley get and showed no sense of jealousy in so what reason would Harley think Ivy tried to prevent her into getting in.

Here's the actual scene. Ivy tells Harley that she was only invited to push her into joining, for the expressed purpose of them going off to do their own thing, right before getting accepted despite Ivy herself not joining. From Harley's perspective, what does she see? Her friend trying a last ditch effort to prevent her from getting ahead. It's not accurate but what else would she get from that?

[Sumac]

Originally Posted by ZariusTwo

Maybe the writers could make it explicit so you don't have to use your imagination?

But otherwise how one can pretend that writing is good?

[CyberCubed]

I don't even get what that Harley Quinn show even is? Is it an adult comedy? An action cartoon? It looks like something out of Family Guy with DC characters.

Is it supposed to be a parody or a serious cartoon? All the swearing and adult jokes makes it obvious it isn't for kids, but I have no idea what it's for.

[neatoman]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

I don't even get what that Harley Quinn show even is? Is it an adult comedy? An action cartoon? It looks like something out of Family Guy with DC characters.

Is it supposed to be a parody or a serious cartoon? All the swearing and adult jokes makes it obvious it isn't for kids, but I have no idea what it's for.

It's a parody. There is an ongoing storyline but all the characters act like comedic exaggerations or subversions of what they normally are.

Clayface is an "actor" who can't pull off a single conving performance.
Ivy is an aloof cynic.
Gordon is an overworked loon.
Bane is an insecure exaggeration of the Tom Hardy version.
Robin fails to be taken seriously despite his best efforts (for obvious reasons).
Kite Man is a total loser who somehow managed to woo Ivy.
Batman is like Alfred's angsty teen son.

I think you get the gist of it.

[Leo656]

And like I said, for reasons I can't fully explain, I find the entire thing off-putting. Even though I pretty much find the exact same stuff very amusing when either of the Seths (MacFarlane or Green) do practically the same jokes.

I don't know exactly why that is. Maybe part of me feels like DC/WB themselves would be better served trying to get their "proper" house in order rather than devoting resources to taking the piss out of everything when there are already shows that do that. I don't know. I really don't. And that's just one theory anyway. Of course, recent developments across the board have made me less tolerant of Harley Quinn in general, anyway. It's amazing how little time it took to turn me from a casual fan of the character, to feeling like I wouldn't care at all if she disappeared forever tomorrow. In fact I kinda think that would suit me just fine.

All I know is that whenever I see a clip of it in my FB feed, I just go "Ugh."
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Kinda like the art style of this Superman gimmick, though, from the little bit I've seen. Pretty "classic".

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

UGGH.

Nope, fvck those "Harley Quinn clips." I like the art style, but character design doesn't impress me and no. No, I hate comedic takes on Batman.

Harley Fvckin' Quinn strikes again. Rake in the money.

[Leo656]

Originally Posted by CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy

I like the art style

I like that sometimes you can see her buttcrack.

But I'm a huge pervert, so. Y'know.

[PApagreg]

Originally Posted by neatoman

While it is true that being a talking book would prevent you from causing physical harm, it would not prevent you from giving bad advice, like "Make a giant wolf maul children and their entire families to death in order to prevent anyone taking revenge on you" for example.

I mean what she said did happen so while EVIL its not really bad advice.

Originally Posted by neatoman

but it's just about the only way I can accept that someone who was always an unhinged and violent sociopath with low discipline could ever earn a doctorate:

I mean this is the DC Universe how many people share at least 2 of those qualities and have the name Doctor as their villain name heck you can describe the Joker with those terms but he is apparently a genius chemist.

Originally Posted by neatoman

Here's the actual scene. Ivy tells Harley that she was only invited to push her into joining, for the expressed purpose of them going off to do their own thing, right before getting accepted despite Ivy herself not joining. From Harley's perspective, what does she see? Her friend trying a last ditch effort to prevent her from getting ahead. It's not accurate but what else would she get from that?

I mean the point of that scene is trust maybe Ivy could've word it better but she has been nothing if not supportive whith Harley schemes so maybe Harley could've not brushed her off at the flip of a dime.

I'm not saying the writing is perfect and I agree with two of your points(King Shark and the "Stole bit")

Also seeing how we are doing clips it has weirdly attractive Riddler.

[sdp]

I don't know what to think of Harley Quinn, the trailers make me believe it'll be a dumb comedy and many seem to confirm my opinon but some people do praise it, maybe i won't know until I watch it. I'm not sure if I'd consider it an action show.

The show doesn't seemt o be SJW influenced but I did find this clip making fun of their target audience:


Counting harley does seem sexualized, if they do make fun of everyone, it's no issue, comedy should have no barriers and making fun of neckbeards is fun too, if it's only making fun of that specific audience then yeah i can see it being lame comedy

[ZariusTwo]

Originally Posted by sdp

I don't know what to think of Harley Quinn, the trailers make me believe it'll be a dumb comedy and many seem to confirm my opinon but some people do praise it, maybe i won't know until I watch it. I'm not sure if I'd consider it an action showy

It's alright, the best character is Ivy, I love her relationship with Kite Man.

[AquaParade]

I just crave a comicbook based animated series with impressive animation. I thought that was the whole point of cartoons, but what do I know.

[PApagreg]

Originally Posted by AquaParade

I just crave a comicbook based animated series with impressive animation. I thought that was the whole point of cartoons, but what do I know.

You aint getting that with any Marvel cartoons that's for sure funny enough Rise of the TMNT actually fit that mold.

[AquaParade]

Originally Posted by PApagreg

You aint getting that with any Marvel cartoons that's for sure funny enough Rise of the TMNT actually fit that mold.

While “Rise...” was still doing something different than the more detailed, yet still luscious animation I want, I’d still take that animation style over what these DC animated films are doing. Definitely impressive in its own right.