Another movie from Platinum Dunes in the works - new writer hired

[AquaParade]

Originally Posted by PizzaPower1985

I agree with this. Who else would be up for an IDW inspired movie?

As far as premise goes, I think a blend of IDW and Mirage is exactly what is needed.

[TigerClaw]

Originally Posted by AquaParade

As far as premise goes, I think a blend of IDW and Mirage is exactly what is needed.

Im more towards wanting it to have more of the IDW elements. Since it does impliment every single version of TMNT into the comic. Characters that appeared in every version appear in the comic. There some that haven't yet. But in due time they will eventually appear.

[LeotheLateBloomer]

Originally Posted by TigerClaw

What's holding it back is not opening up the world. We need world building. They really need to do there research and read the IDW comics. Which has every single element including FW.

World building can be done without FW. A new version isn't going to suffer without them.

Originally Posted by TigerClaw

Sounds like you hate FW. There are a lot of people here who grew up with FW including me.

I love how not wanting anymore FW elements equals "hate FW", instead of realizing maybe fans are tired of FW being implemented in every new version. I grew up with FW but I also grew up with other versions too.

[TigerClaw]

Originally Posted by LeotheLateBloomer

World building can be done without FW. A new version isn't going to suffer without them.




I love how not wanting anymore FW elements equals "hate FW", instead of realizing maybe fans are tired of FW being implemented in every new version. I grew up with FW but I also grew up with other versions too.

I'm not tired of FW and never will be.

[LeotheLateBloomer]

Well I am! There's plenty of VHS tapes and DVDs of the FW toon to enjoy, so it's best to just watch those if you're feeling nostalgic.

[neatoman]

Originally Posted by TigerClaw

What's holding it back is not opening up the world. We need world building. They really need to do there research and read the IDW comics. Which has every single element including FW.

Like I said some modified elements of FW is tolerable, as long as they aren't trying to just copy FW at the expense of other ideas. Which is would describe IDW.

For example, IDW does have an alien brain creature called Krang with a Technodrome, indeed that is lifted from the FW show... But:

• The IDW version is an Utrom, not some disfigured Lizard monster
• The Technodrome is a terraforming device, not a war machine
• He is the enemy of Shredder and his servants, not one of his allies
• While he plays an important role, he is in a minority of the issues
• His personality and motives are quite different indeed

So while he is technically a character from the FW show, there's quite a lot of changes that make him a noticeably different character.

[TigerClaw]

Originally Posted by LeotheLateBloomer

Well I am! There's plenty of VHS tapes and DVDs of the FW toon to enjoy, so it's best to just watch those if you're feeling nostalgic.

But you can bring the nostalgia to modern times. Which is what IDW is doing.

Originally Posted by neatoman

Like I said some modified elements of FW is tolerable, as long as they aren't trying to just copy FW at the expense of other ideas. Which is would describe IDW.

For example, IDW does have an alien brain creature called Krang with a Technodrome, indeed that is lifted from the FW show... But:

• The IDW version is an Utrom, not some disfigured Lizard monster
• The Technodrome is a terraforming device, not a war machine
• He is the enemy of Shredder and his servants, not one of his allies
• While he plays an important role, he is in a minority of the issues
• His personality and motives are quite different indeed

So while he is technically a character from the FW show, there's quite a lot of changes that make him a noticeably different character.

IDW also brought back Mona Lisa in a cool way that is both nostalgic and modern at the same time.

[neatoman]

Originally Posted by TigerClaw

IDW also brought back Mona Lisa in a cool way that is both nostalgic and modern at the same time.

The thing about Mona Lisa is that she seems to be brought back more because people like the idea of a salamander girl, not because they're nostalgic for the character herself. That's probably true for Mutagen Man as well, it's hard to imagine why someone would get attached to one-off characters like that unless the idea itself grabs them.

Which... I guess is better than nostalgia in a way. The primary reason people are nostalgic for Bebop and Rocksteady probably has nothing to do with how they were written and more to with their prominence in the FW cartoon.

[Whatswiththeheadbands?]

Originally Posted by TigerClaw

Sounds like you hate FW. There are a lot of people here who grew up with FW including me.

I do actually. I respect what the show did for the franchise, but I've never, ever liked it.

Also, sick of something =/= hating something

[IndigoErth]

Imo... just stay true to who the Turtles are as individuals, as a team and a family and the foundation of the concept, and not really any need to try too hard to be a specific version. Pull some inspiration from good sources, and the best parts of those sources, without having to go overboard with directly trying to be those versions.

Originally Posted by The Deadman

Give us a Next Mutation version with Venus on the BIG SCREEN. The kids will go wild I tell ya.

Quiet, you. Do ya really wanna scar the fan base and kids for life by finding out what Michel Bay would do with Venus? lol

[PizzaPower1985]

Originally Posted by IndigoErth

Imo... just stay true to who the Turtles are as individuals, as a team and a family and the foundation of the concept, and not really any need to try too hard to be a specific version. Pull some inspiration from good sources, and the best parts of those sources, without having to go overboard with directly trying to be those versions.

Ummm. That argument could be kinda close to a defense of the 2016 Bay TMNT and its sequel. The previous PD films were actually fairly true to what the 87 show did, but also tried to be its own thing unsuccessfully...

But... I know what you mean... Someone like you would never want TMNT to be silly. You and I have been on these threads before talking about this very thing, so.

[TigerClaw]

What I want these TMNT movies to be. Is like those Marvel movies. The characters are written very well, The stories are good. The action is good, It has humor. and most important of all, It has heart.

Im not saying they should copy exactly the Marvel model. But they should study how those movies respect the characters.

[IndigoErth]

Originally Posted by PizzaPower1985

Ummm. That argument could be kinda close to a defense of the 2016 Bay TMNT and its sequel. The previous PD films were actually fairly true to what the 87 show did, but also tried to be its own thing unsuccessfully...

But... I know what you mean... Someone like you would never want TMNT to be silly. You and I have been on these threads before talking about this very thing, so.

Yeah, and points do at least go to 2016 for doing better with the brothers, imo, but they lose points again for trying too hard to be the cartoon.

I feel any silliness belongs only as interaction between the brothers, just playing around "off duty," not as an allover tone for a film. (Like 2003; it's generally serious but has its moments.)

The Turtles just being goofy brothers in the right moments... fine, great, that's kind of adorable. But forced silliness like...the whole tongue thing happening with Raph in that last film and hitting the plane windshield... no thanks.

I wouldn't necessarily say it's an argument that could be used in defense of those films though, since they still created rather weak movies and screwed with it too much and in the wrong ways. No matter what version, you still gotta to right by the brothers.

[PizzaPower1985]

Originally Posted by IndigoErth

Yeah, and points do at least go to 2016 for doing better with the brothers, imo, but they lose points again for trying too hard to be the cartoon.

I feel any silliness belongs only as interaction between the brothers, just playing around "off duty," not as an allover tone for a film. (Like 2003; it's generally serious but has its moments.)

The Turtles just being goofy brothers in the right moments... fine, great, that's kind of adorable. But forced silliness like...the whole tongue thing happening with Raph in that last film and hitting the plane windshield... no thanks.

Fair points, indeed about the humor, though I'm not sure how many points I'd give PD for anything about 2016.

[PizzaPower1985]

Originally Posted by TigerClaw

What I want these TMNT movies to be. Is like those Marvel movies. The characters are written very well, The stories are good. The action is good, It has humor. and most important of all, It has heart.

Im not saying they should copy exactly the Marvel model. But they should study how those movies respect the characters.

The MCU doesn't really respect their characters anymore. They haven't since just before Phase 2 ended. If they really respected their characters, Reed, Sue, Ben and Johnny would have been a huge part of Phase 1, never mind that they didn't have the rights.... and the characters would actually look like the characters OFF THE PAGE. Hollywood IS SO EMBARRASSED to put Steve Rogers in a Jack Kirby costume or Superman in a Curt Swan outfit. They're all so sycophantic for nothing but your dollar. You call that respect?

Comic books and superheroes come out of INK and PAPER. If they get put on screen with anything less than how they look on a page, or with anything less than the tone of the comic book, IT IS NOT what the fans want. Comic book movies that make a $$$billion$$$ are watered down enough so NON-FANS and the general public will buy a ticket. By that point they don't have much VERISIMILITUDE. But how many of those lowest common denominator types will actually plunk down $$$ for a funny book once they took their girlfriend/boyfriend to see "ooh: big shiny explosions, now with cursing and a pair of T*TS"? Few, my friend. Few.

[AquaParade]

There is so much to dig into with just the urban setting, foot backstory, mutant turtles, and potential reincarnation.

The sci-fi elements and even some of the ideas created in the F.W. toon should be kept in the back pocket for starters, both as a secret weapon to use when things are nearing stale, and as a means to keep the story focused and flesh out the world before you try and juggle too much.

[PizzaPower1985]

Originally Posted by AquaParade

There is so much to dig into with just the urban setting, foot backstory, mutant turtles, and potential reincarnation.

The sci-fi elements and even some of the ideas created in the F.W. toon should be kept in the back pocket for starters, both as a secret weapon to use when things are nearing stale, and as a means to keep the story focused and flesh out the world before you try and juggle too much.

Perfect! You're hired. Now, go make the movie!

[IndigoErth]

Uh oh, AquaParade, good luck. lol


Personally, while it would be an honor to have some involvement in a TMNT project... I think I'd also be half terrified to find out what fans thought. lol

Originally Posted by PizzaPower1985

Fair points, indeed about the humor, though I'm not sure how many points I'd give PD for anything about 2016.

Well I didn't say how many points. lol Like getting the first few test questions right, but then failing the next 100.

[PizzaPower1985]

Originally Posted by IndigoErth

Uh oh, AquaParade, good luck. lol


Personally, while it would be an honor to have some involvement in a TMNT project... I think I'd also be half terrified to find out what fans thought. lol


Well I didn't say how many points. lol Like getting the first few test questions right, but then failing the next 100.

LoL. You'd do a great job because you're a fan of more serious TMNT. I could write a great TMNT movie with both hands tied behind my back and blindfolded. But, hey, I'm a writer and a fan, so.

And... on a test like that, haha, the points don't matter. LoL.

[Leo656]

No more goddamn live-action cartoons. It's a broken premise for this brand. We've had exactly ONE adaptation that wasn't a cartoon either literally or metaphorically (and some would argue that the 1990 film is still at least "half a cartoon"). It's been done. Never well. People love to pull out the "_______ and Movies are not the same" card, and so I'm dropping it now. Cartoons and Movies are not the same, and what is "charming" in one arena is absolutely puke-inducing elsewhere.

No more live-action cartoons. If you're not actually going to try and do anything constructive with the brand except sell toys exclusively, then maybe it's altogether time to stop making movies about it. Which is what I've been saying since the last one and will continue to say until "forever" as I don't have any faith in Hollywood to do it properly.

I'd rather never see a TMNT movie made for the entirety of the remainder humankind's existence on this planet, rather than yet another goddamn cartoon riff when we've had about 80 of them across all media. I'd rather see the entire brand die and its ashes shot into the sun, and I mean that with absolute sincerity.

Originally Posted by TigerClaw

What I want these TMNT movies to be. Is like those Marvel movies

Why do we not have a vomit emoji? That's the exact opposite of what a TMNT movie should be. On every single conceivable level. From the toothless "threats" to the cornball "villains" to the constant need to stop and crack jokes even while supposedly serious things are happening, to how brightly-lit and over-saturated with color everything is, to the basic premise being a $200 million CGI bonanza where the Boss Fight is either a hole in the sky or a video game character. And what's worse, that's exactly what they tried to do with the last movie and it didn't even come close to working. I mean yeah, a handful of people were jizzing themselves over finally getting Bebop and Rocksteady, but the thing absolutely bombed at the box office, which means that most people who watched the trailers decided for themselves, "This looks awful, I'm staying home". So I swear, we need to start collectively having better priorities with regard to what this franchise needs to do. Or else it's going to die and it will DESERVE to.

A TMNT movie should have nothing at all in common with a MCU movie. Or any super-hero movie, really. They're not even the same thing conceptually. I don't think it even needs to be said anymore that a big problem with TMNT movies in general is that they keep trying to make them into "super-hero movies" and make them a "blockbuster movie franchise" when that can't happen anyway since they don't even fit the "blockbuster" template. Nor should they.

The last movie did its absolute best to be "A Marvel Movie" AND a cartoon pastiche, and it tanked hard and made about half of what the previous one did. Both BayTurtles movies are choking up $5 bins everywhere. I can't fathom even a little bit why anyone would see a path to success in that formula at all. It's not even a case where like with some movies, "Well, they're divisive but they still made money". The last movie was a failure at every single level: People didn't care enough to go see it, AND it lost a fortune. Can we stop pretending that More Jokes and More Bebop is what this franchise needs? That's pretty well proven to be a fallacy once and for all.

The only time a TMNT movie ever got good reviews AND was liked by most fans AND made money, was the very first one. Ever since then, it's been "more cartoon sh*t" and the results speak for themselves. The only thing they can OR should even attempt to do, is go completely back to Square One, scrape off all the cartoon "barnacles" and try playing it "straight" for once. Forget about making $500 million and aim for something a lot smaller, more intimate, and character-based. It doesn't even have to be "gritty", since people love to play the Extremes Game with this brand and pretend it has to be All Goofy or Violent Bloodbath; it should just at the very least feel like it wasn't written in a goddamn board meeting with some McDonald's nitwit tossing out story ideas. Which is what they've ALL been except for the first one.

Problem is, you're always gonna have one or two "But I want muh Krang" people poisoning the well. And that means we're ONLY gonna get more "cartoon junk" if they keep making TMNT movies. Because the people making them think we're all idiots and we collectively do very little to prove them wrong.