Another movie from Platinum Dunes in the works - new writer hired

[PizzaPower1985]

Originally Posted by AquaParade

I think you would certainly use computers to enhance the suits, but my thinking is that if you can even improve on those Henson suits by 10%, then you are already better off than you would be with the computer animation.

Well, I'm convinced. You've seriously changed my mind on the suits with CG enhancements idea. That said, is anyone using puppetry these days? I'm assuming the heads would still have to be puppeted unless filmmakers just went the Iron Man route and fully CG'd the turtle's faces?

[IndigoErth]

And that is what's so stupid though, is that the mocap and CGI should have allowed for the best possible actual real life martial arts we've seen out of the TMNT...and they wasted it. It WOULD be better than done in clunky suits, since proper martial art stunt guys would have a lot more freedom in lightweight mocap suits, but if they aren't going to bother...

Suits are fine, but the one thing I really do prefer the CGI for it the amount of facial expression, esp subtle stuff, and perfect mouth/voice syncing that suits with animatronics are probably never going to reach, at least not in our lifetimes.



Case in point... I still love PD Leo's very subtle change in expression when Mikey's "silent but deadly" joke suddenly dawns on him. Makes me laugh every time. You can't get that kind of subtle expression from "puppet" eyes and faces.

[AquaParade]

Originally Posted by Whatswiththeheadbands?

Plus using the suits would physically hinder the actors compared to motion capture with CGI on top, forcing the film-makers to utilize proper martial arts for the action scenes

Limitation breeds creativity. That's why the last 2 movies were lazy and unoriginal

Agreed.

Originally Posted by PizzaPower1985

Well, I'm convinced. You've seriously changed my mind on the suits with CG enhancements idea. That said, is anyone using puppetry these days? I'm assuming the heads would still have to be puppeted unless filmmakers just went the Iron Man route and fully CG'd the turtle's faces?

That's the million dollar question in my mind. I am not up to date at all on modern puppetry, but it might be worth looking into the recent "Dark Crystal" movie, which might be at the forefront of that sort of thing. I'm sure many here are more up to date on the Henson studio than I am.

Y'all, the other thing about lower budgets, is that it's looking like Hollywood will have no choice but to head that way with how things are looking. Theaters are in dire condition, which means Hollywood will have to think more than twice about splurging their budget on a product that many people may not be willing to see in theaters. It could end up being a saving grace for the genre - just as we are reaching what seems to be an apex in spectacle with Endgame, the way to freshen things up may be to ratchet everything way down and go relatively "low-fi".

Joker and Deadpool have already lit the way.

[PizzaPower1985]

Originally Posted by AquaParade

Agreed.



That's the million dollar question in my mind. I am not up to date at all on modern puppetry, but it might be worth looking into the recent "Dark Crystal" movie, which might be at the forefront of that sort of thing. I'm sure many here are more up to date on the Henson studio than I am.

Y'all, the other thing about lower budgets, is that it's looking like Hollywood will have no choice but to head that way with how things are looking. Theater's are in dire condition, which means Hollywood will have to think more than twice about splurging their budget on a product that many people may not be willing to see in theaters. It could end up being a saving grace for the genre - just as we are reaching what seems to be an apex in spectacle with Endgame, the way to freshen things up may be to ratchet everything way down and go relatively "low-fi".

Joker and Deadpool have already lit the way.

It's interesting that you say that about theaters. No doubt that the Covid-19 SARS virus is expediting the death of theaters. Do I think they will disappear completely? Yes, but a long time from now. Will the industry suffer untold numbers of closures, sooner? YES. No doubt. They are already going the way of shopping malls in smaller towns.

I think any studio is going to have to count all their chickens before they send them out to hatch, so to speak. Lower budgets for blockbuster films may be the wave of the future.

[Whatswiththeheadbands?]

Now that the CGI movie has been heavily rumoured, does anyone else think it's going to replace this, or be its own thing?

[TigerClaw]

Originally Posted by Whatswiththeheadbands?

Now that the CGI movie has been heavily rumoured, does anyone else think it's going to replace this, or be its own thing?

Well the CGI movie will be its own thing and not connected to PD in any way since its a different studio working on it.

[Galactus]

Originally Posted by TigerClaw

Well the CGI movie will be its own thing and not connected to PD in any way since its a different studio working on it.

You know that how?

[IndigoErth]

I really hope this is entirely separate and not a replacement.

While I would not be sad if Nick/Paramount ever decided to ditch Platinum Dunes, at least for TMNT... I want my live action Turtles, dammit.

I prefer cartoons of them remain on tv, rather than in theater. The big screen is really the only place we can ever get live action, save for the crummy attempt of Next Mutation, so don't waste it by just choosing to do cartoons instead.

[TigerClaw]

Originally Posted by Galactus

You know that how?

For starters Michael Bay is not involved.

[Leo656]

Originally Posted by IndigoErth

I really hope this is entirely separate and not a replacement.

While I would not be sad if Nick/Paramount ever decided to ditch Platinum Dunes, at least for TMNT... I want my live action Turtles, dammit.

I prefer cartoons of them remain on tv, rather than in theater. The big screen is really the only place we can ever get live action, save for the crummy attempt of Next Mutation, so don't waste it by just choosing to do cartoons instead.

First we as a fanbase would have to collectively convince the franchise owners that we're not all 6 years old or the mental equivalent of same. That we deserve "real" movies capable of telling "real" stories and that we're not inclined to merely go along and settle for anything thrown at us.

You've been around here long enough to know how likely THAT is to ever happen.

[sdp]

It's clear they're not going to release two TMNT movies, so it's safe to say the live action one is cancelled, which is likely a good idea, let some time pass form the previous PD movies if it's not going to be a sequel to those.

[PizzaPower1985]

Wait! What's all this talk of a CGI TMNT? A possibly separate project from the new PD release? Please, somebody FILL ME IN, dammit!?!?!?!

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by PizzaPower1985

Wait! What's all this talk of a CGI TMNT? A possibly separate project from the new PD release? Please, somebody FILL ME IN, dammit!?!?!?!

http://forums.thetechnodrome.com/showthread.php?t=62764

[Leo656]

Trading Platinum Dunes for Seth Rogen is like trading The Clap for Chlamydia.

[TigerClaw]

you know. I would have love if Lord and Miller wrote and directed a live action TMNT movie.

[PizzaPower1985]

Seth Rogen and his little writer buddy DESTROYED one of my favorite pulp heroes in 2011 SO I doubt this is gonna be for me. They're not writing this new project but they are producing. They produced The Green Hornet in 2011 and it was as offensive to Hornet fans as Bay's TMNT films were to Mirage Turtle fans. I'm enough of a TMNT fan to be mildly curious but nobody in Hollywood can make the Turtle film I want.

All of you fans that wanna see more of the same knock yourselves out. Nick will screw it up and if they don't, I'll be surprised.

[Leo656]

You're right, that was pretty terrible. Why did they ever f*cking do that?

[PizzaPower1985]

Originally Posted by Leo656

You're right, that was pretty terrible. Why did they ever f*cking do that?

It was Rogen's attempt at action-comedy as he wanted to broaden his horizons as an actor. He also wanted to make a superhero film and my beloved Green Hornet was up for grabs. Rather than pay any attention to the gritty crime dramas that were the 1930's and 40's radio shows or the straight action show of the 60's they just went full tilt Rogen and made it what it was... an awful piece of $hit. The movie made no $$$ and rather than admit he didnt do research or didn't care about the character he just blamed the studio for its failure.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by PizzaPower1985

Seth Rogen and his little writer buddy DESTROYED one of my favorite pulp heroes in 2011 SO I doubt this is gonna be for me.

I guess that's fair. Though by the same stroke, just about every TMNT project besides TMNT 2012 to some extent "DESTROYS" the TMNT in my eyes, over and over again. Rogen and company make me laugh... if nothing else, maybe this is another project that "DESTROYS" the TMNT for me, but at least I can be reasonably sure I'll enjoy a few laughs while we're at it.

Though who knows.

[PizzaPower1985]

Yeah. I'm a fan so I legitimately wish every TMNT project well and hope for the best but outside of comics TMNT has a lousy track record of attempting to even give any credence to what E & L did. When either of the two creators have been extensively involved the TMNT have mostly shined. When they haven't been as hands on it's been disastrous.