Ninja Turtles vs. Thundercats

[mikey3.0]

wait are we including metal head, casey, and fugitod new form also I bet the utoms could make a weapon to stop the sword of omens

[heretic888]

Time to address the madness....

Well, let's be fair and say that if anyone besides, you know, the people who CREATED the franchise were involved with the writing of that story, there is most likely very little chance the TMNT would stand a chance against any deity or godlike figure because it quite frankly just doesn't work that way.

The fact remains that no matter what self-projected rationalizations or justifications you give, it still happened.

There is also very little chance that Lion-O could do ANYTHING to Supes.... but, still, it happened.

I mean, next someone will be trying to convince me that the TMNT, through their exceptional stealth and martial arts skills, could, together, beat Superman in a fight. Not Special Superman, either, Brother Tetsu! I mean SUPERMAN, as in, the guy who could see them even if they were hiding in shadow, the guy who wouldn't even NEED to see them because he could hear their hearts beating, the guy who could physically not be harmed by anything they did... and yet, I just know SOMEONE is gonna come in here and argue, in all seriousness, that the TMNT could beat Superman in a fight. Such is the case with people who make it a habit to avoid logic and common sense.

Actually, they could kill Superman if they really wanted. I hate to break this to you, but Superman is just as vulnerable to pressure point attacks as any other humanoid being. His "invulnerability" would be irrelevant because they aren't trying to pierce his skin or break his bones. He still has a circulatory and nervous system. He'd die from a massive hematoma as easily as a normal man.

In addition, he also has some very severe weaknesses. Any device disrupting solar energy would basically make him powerless. A sharp sai to his inner ear or nunchaku to his eye would severly damage him. One could even use special grappling maneuvers and so forth that actually use his own strength and momentum against him.

Not to mention, every other joe plus his grandma seems to find ways to get kryptonite in DC comics....

It's like I've said in the many, many "Batman vs Superman" debates I've been in over the years... first of all, whoever "won" would weigh entirely on whose book they were fighting in, and secondly, Superman would win, because Superman once took down the entire JLA **by himself**, and Batman had his precious Kryptonite with him and that's just all there is to it. There's fantasy, ("hey, wouldn't it be neat if Batman beat Superman in a fight?") and then there's reality (Superman would probably just melt the ground under Batman's feet into tar and create a vortex around Bats at super-speed, sucking out his oxygen and rendering him unconscious, from a safe distance where the Kryptonite wouldn't reach him... at least it's what I would do if *I* were Superman.... and, one day, God willing, I will be....).

Batman could feasibly beat Superman for the same reasons listed above that one of the TMNT could. Also, Batman has kryptonite so it really doesn't matter.

I'll address the rest a bit laterz.

[heretic888]

And that said, the reality is that the way the characters are written and the abilities they possess, the TMNT as written by ANYONE besides Peter Laird would simply not look very good against the Thundercats in any kind of a physical altercation. Again, it's not a knock against the TMNT, it's just the way the characters are written.

I honestly believe that the 'Cats' magic puts them well over the edge. That mixed with the TMNT likely not being familiar with the 'Cats before battling them, and I think it'd be a tough-fought victory for the 'Cats, but a victory nonetheless.

And, I think the Turtles' superior skill, strength, stealth, intelligence, and (with the exception of Cheetara) speed would put them well over the edge. The fact is the TMNT are just better, smarter fighters. They would probably knock out and/or kill most of the 'Cats well within the first five minutes. I demonstrated in various scenarios how the 'Cats wouldn't stand a chance.

The (Mirage) Turtles have their own "magic" that hasn't been fully explored in the books yet (including their ability to put themselves in a mudra-induced trance when there's no oxygen around, and their ability to fight as easily blinded as with full sight).

As before, the Mirage Turtles would slaughter the 'Cats. Easily. The other TMNT versions would be tossups.

Just like Wolverine could never beat Lobo because Lobo is completely invulnerable (way moreso than Wolverine),

That is irrelevant, since Lobo could never do enough damage to Wolverine that would justify their difference in "invulnerability". Wolverine, however (with his adamantium anyway) could easily dismember Lobo. He may be immortal but its still hard to fight a guy when you're just a torso with a head.

IT'S ANYBODY'S FIGHT!!!!

No, the Mirage TMNT would slaughter them. They are deadlier, more experienced, better trained, more skilled warriors. Period.

However...I feel that in a fight with no things changed (meaning none of that who has this or who has that), just the original teams (meaning Splinter and the turtles against the characters TCs started with)...no matter where they were (unless it was some place that kept people from using super human abilities like the invisability ect) the thunder cats would be more likely to win, but the TMNT could still gain the upper hand somehow

Quite easily, actually.

Whenever the Turtles ever fight someone with "superior weapons", what do they always do?? Steal them from them, and use them against them. That is exactly what would happen to the 'Cats. This is because, as before, the Turtles are smarter, more experienced, and more skilled. Not to mention just flat out more deadly. I mean, Raph would probably snap Lion-O's neck with the first move. Game over.

Laterz.

[Savanti Romero]

I watched TMNT when I was like four. Who the heck are the Thunder Cats? Don't take that question literally. But when I was a kid no one ever talked about the Thunder Cats. TMNT was the hottest topic availiable. In fact I had never even heard of the Thunder Cats untill a couple of years ago. (No, I'm not into any other cartoons or comics really.) I am an all the way "Ninja Turtles can kill anyone they wan't" unless that person is a related TMNT character. I am a TMNT fan to the end and thats why I joined this Forum. I can not stand the thought of losing my favorite heroes to some cats. To sum up, the TMNT would beat the Thunder Cats.

[cqb101]

Originally Posted by Kali

Dude, don't scare me like that! That ain't funny...

BTW, my vote goes to Burt Gummer.

Bahahahahaha! Are you a Tremors fan? I sure am! I love the movies and love the show!

[heretic888]

I am an all the way "Ninja Turtles can kill anyone they wan't" unless that person is a related TMNT character. I am a TMNT fan to the end and thats why I joined this Forum. I can not stand the thought of losing my favorite heroes to some cats. To sum up, the TMNT would beat the Thunder Cats.

No, there actually are several beings the TMNT could not defeat, such as Galactus and the like. The TMNT would also probably be unable to defeat the Justice League, Avengers, or the X-Men... but this is due more to sheer numbers than anything else. If the TMNT went one-for-one against those various groups, they'd probably stand a pretty good chance.

Besides, like I've said before, it all really comes down to the question of "how does it happen?". Whose turf are they on?? Whose weapons and/or vehicles are nearby?? What's the terrain like?? How much do they know about each other?? Who is the defender and who is the aggressor?? Does either have the element of surprise??

All of these factors would seriously impact the outcome of ANY of these hypothetical battles.

[Kali]

Originally Posted by cqb101

Bahahahahaha! Are you a Tremors fan? I sure am! I love the movies and love the show!

Yes, very much so (though I don't get to watch the show very often, stupid work hours...) Still searching for the DVD's.

[Mars-Chan]

Don't get me wrong...I love BOTH teams, but there is ONE member of the Thundercats team that I despised....Give ya a hint: He said "Snarf" all the time.....

[Savanti Romero]

Originally Posted by heretic888

No, there actually are several beings the TMNT could not defeat, such as Galactus and the like. The TMNT would also probably be unable to defeat the Justice League, Avengers, or the X-Men... but this is due more to sheer numbers than anything else. If the TMNT went one-for-one against those various groups, they'd probably stand a pretty good chance.

Besides, like I've said before, it all really comes down to the question of "how does it happen?". Whose turf are they on?? Whose weapons and/or vehicles are nearby?? What's the terrain like?? How much do they know about each other?? Who is the defender and who is the aggressor?? Does either have the element of surprise??

All of these factors would seriously impact the outcome of ANY of these hypothetical battles.

All the characters you named are fake. The TMNT are real, they live in sewers (everyone knows that); that's why you've never seen them.