Spectacular Spider-Man? - Page 5

~~AquaParade~~ · 01-10-2021, 11:16 AM

I don't love this show as much as the average Spider-Man fan. It did a lot right, like serialization, pacing, and animation, so I do think it deserves praise.

The characterization was sort of goofy to me though. I don't think the voice acting helped. One of the characters was shrieking every time she opened her mouth and I remember Harry sounding, just, weird. I don't know, voice acting must be much harder than it looks, because sometimes characters can come across sounding so fake and unnatural.

My biggest issue, and one that is sadly not limited to this show, is Peter's perfect moral compass. I know we are meant to aspire to the character in some ways, and I also want to see proper character growth stemming from the incident with uncle Ben - Peter should learn a lesson that sticks with him. At the same time, I need Peter to make mistakes in order for him to feel real and for the stories to have a sense of pathos or some kind of redemption arc. When all of Peter's problems stem from the fact that he is saving people in his secret life as Spider-Man, I find him harder to relate to. Maybe I'm just an a-hole, you tell me, but when Peter is such a perfect, lovely, nice guy, I find the character loses some of the edge that makes him stand out from other superheroes. I think he should be constantly messing up and paying the price for it, while trying to redeem himself in the process. I suppose I see Peter as a character of redemption more than anything else.

*ZariusTwo* · 01-10-2021, 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by AquaParade

I need Peter to make mistakes in order for him to feel real and for the stories to have a sense of pathos or some kind of redemption arc. When all of Peter's problems stem from the fact that he is saving people in his secret life as Spider-Man, I find him harder to relate to. Maybe I'm just an a-hole, you tell me, but when Peter is such a perfect, lovely, nice guy, I find the character loses some of the edge that makes him stand out from other superheroes. I think he should be constantly messing up and paying the price for it, while trying to redeem himself in the process. I suppose I see Peter as a character of redemption more than anything else.

You don't get much doozies than saying to Marvel's devil 'take my wife and family please' to ensure your aunt makes you flapjacks

*CyberCubed* · 01-10-2021, 01:25 PM

Peter's friends were really annoying in this show. I liked Gwen, Harry and Liz was cool. MJ unfortunately didn't get enough screentime before the show was canceled.

But everyone else was very annoying. Flash (I know that's the point of him but still), the blonde girl with Harley's voice, the black woman who had the same voice as Max from Batman Beyond, the fat guy, the other black guy, the Asian girl...it's like they threw in all these school characters but they were all one-note stereotypes of whatever they were based on. Every time these characters were on screen I got so bored.

Also the laughably bad stereotypes. The jocks hating nerds, the blonde girl who hates that Liz went out with a "geek" like Peter, meh. I mean even back in 2008 I felt most of these stereotypes were really outdated.

*ZariusTwo* · 01-10-2021, 02:33 PM

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MJ unfortunately didn't get enough screentime before the show was canceled.

I find the MJs with the least screen time make for the more compelling versions of the character, as she's allowed to be more herself and prove to the audience just what she has that justifies her as the end of Peter's story. A similar thing happened in the close of the recent Disney XD Cartoon.

*Coola Yagami* · 01-10-2021, 02:52 PM

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Also the laughably bad stereotypes. The jocks hating nerds, the blonde girl who hates that Liz went out with a "geek" like Peter, meh. I mean even back in 2008 I felt most of these stereotypes were really outdated.

That's never gonna go away. It might not be a jock vs nerd thing anymore cause nowadays even jocks post memes and watch internet porn or whatever, but there will always be the stronger sport types picking on the weaker bookworm types. Not a stereotype if it's true.

*GoldMutant* · 01-13-2021, 06:56 PM

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But everyone else was very annoying. Flash (I know that's the point of him but still), the blonde girl with Harley's voice, the black woman who had the same voice as Max from Batman Beyond, the fat guy, the other black guy, the Asian girl...it's like they threw in all these school characters but they were all one-note stereotypes of whatever they were based on. Every time these characters were on screen I got so bored.

Names in order you listed, Cube: Sally (the blonde), Glory Grant (not just Max, but many other characters. It's Cree Summer voicing her), Kenny Kong (Ultimate Comics) Rand Robertson (son of Daily Bugle editor Robbie), and Sha Shan (a girlfriend of Flash, I believe?).

Honestly, the only two I disliked of the bunch were Kong and Sally. Kong just wasn't interesting here, and Sally was easily the worst character of the show. The others had good voices or moments, but were underdeveloped compared to Liz, Mary Jane, and Flash barring the big three (Pete, Harry, and Gwen).

I didn't like Flash's voice, but he was probably the most developed character of the bunch barring my personal favorite: Liz. Though I can see why he can be irritating (his laugh especially) or others (Sally, in particular).

01-10-2021, 11:16 AM	#81
~~AquaParade~~ Banned Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 8,450	I don't love this show as much as the average Spider-Man fan. It did a lot right, like serialization, pacing, and animation, so I do think it deserves praise. The characterization was sort of goofy to me though. I don't think the voice acting helped. One of the characters was shrieking every time she opened her mouth and I remember Harry sounding, just, weird. I don't know, voice acting must be much harder than it looks, because sometimes characters can come across sounding so fake and unnatural. My biggest issue, and one that is sadly not limited to this show, is Peter's perfect moral compass. I know we are meant to aspire to the character in some ways, and I also want to see proper character growth stemming from the incident with uncle Ben - Peter should learn a lesson that sticks with him. At the same time, I need Peter to make mistakes in order for him to feel real and for the stories to have a sense of pathos or some kind of redemption arc. When all of Peter's problems stem from the fact that he is saving people in his secret life as Spider-Man, I find him harder to relate to. Maybe I'm just an a-hole, you tell me, but when Peter is such a perfect, lovely, nice guy, I find the character loses some of the edge that makes him stand out from other superheroes. I think he should be constantly messing up and paying the price for it, while trying to redeem himself in the process. I suppose I see Peter as a character of redemption more than anything else.

01-10-2021, 01:25 PM	#83
CyberCubed Overlord Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 43,887	Peter's friends were really annoying in this show. I liked Gwen, Harry and Liz was cool. MJ unfortunately didn't get enough screentime before the show was canceled. But everyone else was very annoying. Flash (I know that's the point of him but still), the blonde girl with Harley's voice, the black woman who had the same voice as Max from Batman Beyond, the fat guy, the other black guy, the Asian girl...it's like they threw in all these school characters but they were all one-note stereotypes of whatever they were based on. Every time these characters were on screen I got so bored. Also the laughably bad stereotypes. The jocks hating nerds, the blonde girl who hates that Liz went out with a "geek" like Peter, meh. I mean even back in 2008 I felt most of these stereotypes were really outdated.