Young Guns 3

*Andrew NDB* · 02-09-2021, 12:12 PM

No lie.

https://www.thevintagenews.com/2021/...laze-of-glory/

~~Leo656~~ · 02-09-2021, 12:27 PM

I've heard the rumors for weeks, but I don't know, man. By the end of Part II everybody's dead!

The only way I can see this working at all, is if they have Brushy Bill from Young Guns II be an unreliable narrator. Which would explain some of the historical inaccuracies from the first two, in some way. Like the fact that in real life neither Doc nor Chavez got killed and lived to be old men. It could work if they massage it a bit. They could still work with the theory that Billy survived the encounter with Garrett, while also telling a story that was closer to what actually happened to everyone else in real life after the fact, like having Billy under various aliases run into them here and there over the ensuing decades. That *might* work.

I don't know. We'll see. Young Guns I and II are my altogether favorite movies of all time, but this is bizarre. The story was over and done, everybody died, The End. This is one of the oddest things to ever bring back. It screams "Everybody else is doing it ("Way Too late" sequels), so why can't we?"

I'unno, we'll see. Part of what I loved about the first two was that aside from making a few characters composites and fudging the timeline a bit (and sprinkling in some outright fiction and lies for the sake of making a better movie, but not TOO much compared to most other movies), they're altogether the most accurate films ever made on the subject of Billy the Kid, the Regulators, and the Lincoln County War. Too many westerns are pure romantic fiction, even the most popular ones, but those two really played it straight. I mean the reality of what happened is such that you don't even NEED to fictionalize much of it at all to get a larger-than-life story.

If they end up saying "screw it, let's just do another one just to do it, to hell with historical accuracy and let's just have fun," I doubt I'd like that very much. It could be fun but I'd resent it, it would undermine the "purity" of the first two.

I'unno, let's see what happens, I guess.

joe-eyeball · 02-09-2021, 05:29 PM

With Fusco being involved and writing it, I’d bet it turns out just fine. I’m game for another go around 30 plus years later! Why not?

~~Leo656~~ · 02-09-2021, 06:23 PM

I mean, it definitely gives me hope, sure. If it were anyone else, I'd say "No way, don't even dare."

I'm just hoping that he has something to actually say, and it's not just "Eh, I'm bored, and it ain't like these guys are workin' much these days, let's just dick around."

joe-eyeball · 02-13-2021, 12:18 PM

If they’re bringing back Sutherland and Phillips then I hope they bring back Slater. Wouldn’t mind seeing Arkansas Dave Rudabaugh again!

~~Leo656~~ · 02-13-2021, 03:11 PM

That guy's own life story was pretty interesting, and he rode with several notorious outlaws, not just Billy. Like his character by rights could've/should've been in "Tombstone", but wasn't for whatever reason. I think a movie about him would be pretty interesting, if the Western genre weren't completely dead and buried.

joe-eyeball · 02-13-2021, 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Leo656

That guy's own life story was pretty interesting, and he rode with several notorious outlaws, not just Billy. Like his character by rights could've/should've been in "Tombstone", but wasn't for whatever reason. I think a movie about him would be pretty interesting, if the Western genre weren't completely dead and buried.

Exactly! Wasn’t he the only known outlaw to basically have an encounter with Billy, Wyatt Earp and his brothers, as well as Doc Holliday and Bat Masterson and of course other legendary cowboys? If I’m not mistaken he basically knew everybody that was somebody back in those days. And I believe his nickname was believed to be “Dirty Dave.” A movie about him would be cool for sure.

~~Leo656~~ · 02-13-2021, 05:04 PM

Yep! Despite the fact that after "Young Guns II" came out, several country songs were released in the 1990s and beyond about "Arkansas Dave", there's no real historical record of him having used that nickname. He was most commonly known as "Dirty" Dave because of an alleged aversion to water and baths, BUT while the nickname is historical fact the reasoning for it has also never been verified, only supposed. The composite character "Dirty Steve" Stephens in the first Young Guns movie was directly based on him, which is partly why the two characters of Dirty Steve and Arkansas Dave are so similar.

He was alleged to have been the one who taught Doc Holliday how to shoot, but again, no real proof of that beyond myth. But yeah, he was one of the most notorious and well-known of the "legendary" Wild West outlaws, and he rode with or knew ALL of those guys.

As the ending of Young Guns II implies, he WAS beheaded shortly after heading to Mexico - with his head placed upon a pike for good measure! - but that was years after he stopped riding with Billy. His story's pretty fascinating, altogether.

*Andrew NDB* · 08-03-2025, 01:24 AM

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02-09-2021, 12:27 PM	#2
~~Leo656~~ Banned Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: nWo Country Posts: 27,703	I've heard the rumors for weeks, but I don't know, man. By the end of Part II everybody's dead! The only way I can see this working at all, is if they have Brushy Bill from Young Guns II be an unreliable narrator. Which would explain some of the historical inaccuracies from the first two, in some way. Like the fact that in real life neither Doc nor Chavez got killed and lived to be old men. It could work if they massage it a bit. They could still work with the theory that Billy survived the encounter with Garrett, while also telling a story that was closer to what actually happened to everyone else in real life after the fact, like having Billy under various aliases run into them here and there over the ensuing decades. That might work. I don't know. We'll see. Young Guns I and II are my altogether favorite movies of all time, but this is bizarre. The story was over and done, everybody died, The End. This is one of the oddest things to ever bring back. It screams "Everybody else is doing it ("Way Too late" sequels), so why can't we?" I'unno, we'll see. Part of what I loved about the first two was that aside from making a few characters composites and fudging the timeline a bit (and sprinkling in some outright fiction and lies for the sake of making a better movie, but not TOO much compared to most other movies), they're altogether the most accurate films ever made on the subject of Billy the Kid, the Regulators, and the Lincoln County War. Too many westerns are pure romantic fiction, even the most popular ones, but those two really played it straight. I mean the reality of what happened is such that you don't even NEED to fictionalize much of it at all to get a larger-than-life story. If they end up saying "screw it, let's just do another one just to do it, to hell with historical accuracy and let's just have fun," I doubt I'd like that very much. It could be fun but I'd resent it, it would undermine the "purity" of the first two. I'unno, let's see what happens, I guess.

02-09-2021, 05:29 PM	#3
joe-eyeball Stone Warrior Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Cleveland Posts: 708	With Fusco being involved and writing it, I’d bet it turns out just fine. I’m game for another go around 30 plus years later! Why not?

02-09-2021, 06:23 PM	#4
~~Leo656~~ Banned Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: nWo Country Posts: 27,703	I mean, it definitely gives me hope, sure. If it were anyone else, I'd say "No way, don't even dare." I'm just hoping that he has something to actually say, and it's not just "Eh, I'm bored, and it ain't like these guys are workin' much these days, let's just dick around."

02-13-2021, 12:18 PM	#5
joe-eyeball Stone Warrior Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Cleveland Posts: 708	If they’re bringing back Sutherland and Phillips then I hope they bring back Slater. Wouldn’t mind seeing Arkansas Dave Rudabaugh again!

02-13-2021, 03:11 PM	#6
~~Leo656~~ Banned Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: nWo Country Posts: 27,703	That guy's own life story was pretty interesting, and he rode with several notorious outlaws, not just Billy. Like his character by rights could've/should've been in "Tombstone", but wasn't for whatever reason. I think a movie about him would be pretty interesting, if the Western genre weren't completely dead and buried.

02-13-2021, 05:04 PM	#8
~~Leo656~~ Banned Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: nWo Country Posts: 27,703	Yep! Despite the fact that after "Young Guns II" came out, several country songs were released in the 1990s and beyond about "Arkansas Dave", there's no real historical record of him having used that nickname. He was most commonly known as "Dirty" Dave because of an alleged aversion to water and baths, BUT while the nickname is historical fact the reasoning for it has also never been verified, only supposed. The composite character "Dirty Steve" Stephens in the first Young Guns movie was directly based on him, which is partly why the two characters of Dirty Steve and Arkansas Dave are so similar. He was alleged to have been the one who taught Doc Holliday how to shoot, but again, no real proof of that beyond myth. But yeah, he was one of the most notorious and well-known of the "legendary" Wild West outlaws, and he rode with or knew ALL of those guys. As the ending of Young Guns II implies, he WAS beheaded shortly after heading to Mexico - with his head placed upon a pike for good measure! - but that was years after he stopped riding with Billy. His story's pretty fascinating, altogether.