DC/WB Confirm ''The Flash: Flashpoint'' Movie - Page 15

~~Sumac~~ · 02-21-2021, 09:50 PM

Sadly this days its all about being trans, which is infinitely MORE harmful than pretending / proclaiming oneself Gay.

*Autbot_Benz* · 03-11-2021, 12:29 PM

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Kiersey Clemons will be Iris in the flash movie.

*CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy* · 03-11-2021, 04:20 PM

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Kiersey Clemons will be Iris in the flash movie.

It's deja vu all over again...

*Andrew NDB* · 03-11-2021, 04:36 PM

Little odd that they're locking in Keaton and all before basic foundational things like Iris, but whatever.

~~Leo656~~ · 03-11-2021, 08:26 PM

WB has been in full "Lets just hope something sticks to the wall" mode for about the last 5 years.

They know that a cameo from an elderly Michael Keaton Batman will bring in big money even if the movie itself is trash, so they lead with stuff like that. They know exactly how dumb and easily-manipulated the general audience is.

Which is "very". As proof, I'll remind you that the thing people are most excited about is a cameo from Social Security Batman. In a FLASH movie.

Awesome.

*CyberCubed* · 03-21-2021, 09:19 PM

So after watching the Snyder cut I have renewed interest in this movie. I haven't kept up on all the news and rumors, so I know nothing besides it being about Flash and Batman is in it. So someone bring me up to speed.

Didn't they say Michael Keaton is returning as Batman in this too? But nothing about Christian Bale reprising his role, right? So as far as we know only two Batman?

Likewise has this been filmed already? Meaning it's definitely happening? Do we know if any of Flash's villains are in this? And since "Flashpoint" means reboot, about how much do you think they'll reset the universe? We know Wonder Woman 3, Aquaman 2, etc. are still coming...so obviously they can't reboot everything.

*IMJ* · 03-21-2021, 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Leo656

WB has been in full "Lets just hope something sticks to the wall" mode for about the last 5 years.

They know that a cameo from an elderly Michael Keaton Batman will bring in big money even if the movie itself is trash, so they lead with stuff like that. They know exactly how dumb and easily-manipulated the general audience is.

Which is "very". As proof, I'll remind you that the thing people are most excited about is a cameo from Social Security Batman. In a FLASH movie.

Awesome.

They got me for it. I'd pay to say that movie with Keaton in it just for those scenes even if I somehow knew ahead of time it was a disaster of a film of Iron Man 3 proportions.

*IMJ* · 03-21-2021, 10:14 PM

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I think the biggest draw nowadays with the younger crowd is about getting to "belong" to something, and a free ticket to a support community with 24/7 tech support.

Everything that is going on is basically a modern version of the beanie baby craze decades ago.

~~Leo656~~ · 03-22-2021, 06:10 AM

I just don't get the obsession with things a person loved when they were young. I loved Keaton as Batman, too... when I was 7. I loved him, loved his movies... mostly because they weren't a complete joke and they "kind of" respected the comics. Strong emphasis on "kind of". And then you can just throw all of that out for "Batman Returns" because that movie has as much to do with Batman as my ass does.

I liked them fine, mostly for not being the Schumacher movies. I still like them when I watch them, but I'm not in love with them. The Bale movies came out and it was like "Oh, wait, okay, this is MUCH better." And then seeing Affleck in the role, he's even better still (although granted, he's been given not even a fraction of the material to work with as the others were).

There was a time when I would have been genuinely excited to see Keaton as Batman again. That would have been, like, pre-1999. Not when he's literally a senior citizen and almost completely bald. This feels like people just not being able to move on from what made them swoon when they were little.

I'm genuinely curious to see what he does with it, I admit. But "excited"... no, not really. ESPECIALLY not in what's ostensibly a "Flash" movie - one that by all accounts is going to have very, VERY little Flash in it, what with all the cameos and fanservice and "Reboot Everything!" going on.

Mostly, I'm resentful because NONE of this stuff belongs in the First-Ever Solo Flash Movie that's ever been made. This isn't even a "Flash Movie" anymore, it's just "WB Flings Even More Crap At The Wall, Round 59." You could tell me that Cavill, Routh, and the Ghost Of Chris Reeve were all having cameos in it, and I might chuckle and say "Alright, I'll take a look" but I won't be EXCITED about it because NONE of that sh*t belongs in a FLASH MOVIE.

Same people who crapped on BvS for "Too many cameos, not enough Superman in this 'Superman movie'"... are excited about a "Flash movie" in which the title character is pretty much gonna be a guest star. Because the guy they liked as Batman 30+ years ago is gonna be in it for five minutes. Same exact people! THAT'S what gets people hard. Blows my mind. It's like they don't even hear themselves talk.

*Andrew NDB* · 03-22-2021, 06:24 AM

Putting Keaton in this is just a low effort thing they can do that requires 0 setup that will automatically make people swoon.

~~Leo656~~ · 03-22-2021, 06:49 AM

That's my thing, though, is people shouldn't swoon. There's nothing to swoon over.

People swear they're not just easily-amused, but... that IS, in fact, the case.

"I don't like DC movies because they don't have the 'sophisticated' storytelling, or the more 'human' elements of their MCU counterparts."

"We have AARP Batman gonna be in the Flash movie for like two minutes, though."

"DUDE! AWESOME, sign me up for that sh*t! Finally, a DC movie I'd pay to see!"

Fan-wank. That's all it is and that's all anybody really wants, no matter what they say.

*IMJ* · 03-22-2021, 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Leo656

I just don't get the obsession with things a person loved when they were young. I loved Keaton as Batman, too... when I was 7. I loved him, loved his movies... mostly because they weren't a complete joke and they "kind of" respected the comics.

I think part of it is the wish fullfillment aspect. For example, Keaton was never very mobile as Batman - but he played a neat character. There was a scene in Batman Returns where he sort of crouches on a rooftop just after fighting Catwoman for (IIRC) the first time. It was very "Batman" but he spent most of those movies "just standing there". It was a gap that was never closed.

And so I think that sometimes doing these things is sort of the way to put to rest some of the stuff you always wanted to see a character do. I'll have that gap forever with Iron Man because RDJ's Iron Man will basically never face off against the Mandarin like he was supposed to. And so when these opportunities come along to "maybe see Keaton's Batman do some enhanced Batman $#!(", it's exciting wish fulfillment.

I mean I can't account for anyone else here who could or would provide an explanation, but generally speaking for me I think it's about getting these characters we loved to finally have their due with modern tech that makes their thing basically as good as it could be on film. That's what we hope for. This is the same logic that people will use to forgive an otherwise crappy movie that maybe has one or two great, definitive scenes in it - BvS warehouse scene is a great example. Finally on film we saw Batman truly go all Batman and tear **** up. It's why we hate TLJ - it ruined Luke and in a film that could've given him his due, it not only never did but it deteriorated the character. So those things are important.

~~Leo656~~ · 03-22-2021, 10:34 AM

Yeah, that's an interesting point.

Although for as limiting as Keaton's suit was, his "Batman Posture" is pretty damn iconic. Every kid used to imitate that when they'd dress up as Batman, back in the day. Not bad for something that was completely the fault of poor costume technology.

It got over!

But yeah, as far as actual "Batman Doing Batman Sh*t"... I don't know how that warehouse fight in BvS is ever gonna be topped. I just really don't.

I mean, I liked Nolan's movies, a lot. First two, at least. Third has problems. Not the least of which is the fight choreography, but Nolan is open that he's not great at fight scenes. On "Begins", especially, the "Less-Is-More" approach definitely worked well. But by "Rises" you've got guys falling over without getting hit, other guys standing around WAITING to get hit... and it's a mess. The fight scenes in his Batman movies objectively were not great, even when most everything else was.

But man, That Warehouse Scene... I mean, that's just It. That's Batman. I don't see how anyone could stage a "better" Batman Fight Scene with that scale and have it come off as good. Even if a person completely hates the rest of the movie... if someone tells me they hate the Warehouse Scene with Batman then I know for a fact they're just busting balls.

~~Sumac~~ · 03-22-2021, 01:42 PM

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But by "Rises" you've got guys falling over without getting hit, other guys standing around WAITING to get hit... and it's a mess. The fight scenes in his Batman movies objectively were not great, even when most everything else was.

He is Batman, this is why it happens!

~~Leo656~~ · 03-22-2021, 02:12 PM

I guess we can go with that!

In all seriousness, though, stuff like that in "Dark Knight Rises" makes me mad because the first two movies simply did not have those kinds of flaws or mistakes. They weren't perfect, but they were TIGHT. There's very little that one could actively call a "mistake".

But then in "Rises", you've got the aforementioned "Guys just falling over" scene, you've got the raid on the Stock Exchange where it keeps switching between daytime and nighttime while the guys are on their motorcycles or whatever - sh*t gave me flashbacks to the "King of the Road" match between Dustin Rhodes and Blacktop Bully at WCW Uncensored '95

- and just so many little mistakes that you know only made it in because WB rushed the project. On the first two, Nolan had more or less all the time he needed, but on the third WB was pushing for a hard release date and so he had to rush and thus the movie simply isn't as good as the first two, in script or execution.

I don't blame Nolan at all. It's ALWAYS F*cking WB and their "We Need Our Bonuses!" nonsense. But a Flaw is a Flaw, regardless, and that movie has issues. And it wouldn't bother me SO much, if the first two weren't almost Perfect Movies.

~~Sumac~~ · 03-22-2021, 03:57 PM

Agreed.
I can judge movie / game / whatever for what it was supposed to be, but final appraisal is always for what it is.

~~Leo656~~ · 03-22-2021, 08:57 PM

I love how Bruce Wayne just points his dick at any chick who treats him nice in that movie. The first one he shows an interest in gets him crippled by Bane; the second one, he actually gets to f*ck and it turns out to be the one whose Master Plan is to kill him and blow up the city.

"World's Greatest Detective", everybody!

You make Good Decisions, Bruce! Like leaving your cave and all your high-tech state-if-the-art gear with someone who has absolutely no idea how to use it and nobody to teach him. Your little sidekick John "Robin" Blake absolutely got himself killed the first night he tried to go out as "New Coke Batman". You're a f*cking idiot, Bruce.

And he wasn't an idiot in the first movie, is the thing. Second movie, either. Really crystal example of how the script for that third movie was just really, really rushed. It's just a bunch of "cool moments" that fall apart if you think about them for any length of time at all. The first two weren't like that! It irks me.

*Andrew NDB* · 03-24-2021, 03:13 AM

Keaton not a lock yet.

https://www.darkhorizons.com/keatons...ash-uncertain/

*ranger_scout* · 03-24-2021, 07:18 AM

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Keaton not a lock yet.

https://www.darkhorizons.com/keatons...ash-uncertain/

Maybe since Ben Affleck is doing much better mentally and enjoyed doing new scenes for "The Snyder Cut" version of Justice League that they have decided to make his part larger than planned.

*Andrew NDB* · 03-24-2021, 07:28 AM

If WB were really serious about their "Joker" style of movies disconnected from anything else, just one-shot "Artsy" movies... that's the only place I'd like to see more Keaton. Certainly not in some crapshoot just made to help legitimize Ezra Miller's FAKE Barry Allen.

But yeah. Bring in Burton. As director or producer. "Old Man Batman." I'm not saying remake "The Dark Knight Returns" for the third time, or even do "Batman Beyond"... but there might be something there, even if taken entirely on its own merit. It needn't even really tie itself to the Burton movies at all... it could be almost "any" Old Man Batman.

Like if Batman 1989 and Batman Returns were to Keaton what "A Fistful of Dollars" and "A Few Dollars More" were to Eastwood (sadly, Keaton's Batman never got a "The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly")... why not give him a one and done "Unforgiven," for his Batman?

03-11-2021, 12:29 PM	#282
Autbot_Benz Hellblazer Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: Ventura California Posts: 9,193	https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/he..._medium=social Kiersey Clemons will be Iris in the flash movie. __________________ I respect what FW cartoon did for the turtles franchise but it is the most overrated and hard to watch of the 3 turtles cartoons.

03-11-2021, 04:36 PM	#284
Andrew NDB Weed Whacker Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Auburn, WA Posts: 34,574	Little odd that they're locking in Keaton and all before basic foundational things like Iris, but whatever. __________________ [ ODYSSEY \| ORIGIN \| THE IMAGE/VOL. 3 CONCLUSION \| THE SHELLSHOCKED PODCAST \| ON FACEBOOK ]

03-22-2021, 06:24 AM	#290
Andrew NDB Weed Whacker Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Auburn, WA Posts: 34,574	Putting Keaton in this is just a low effort thing they can do that requires 0 setup that will automatically make people swoon. __________________ [ ODYSSEY \| ORIGIN \| THE IMAGE/VOL. 3 CONCLUSION \| THE SHELLSHOCKED PODCAST \| ON FACEBOOK ]

03-24-2021, 03:13 AM	#298
Andrew NDB Weed Whacker Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Auburn, WA Posts: 34,574	Keaton not a lock yet. https://www.darkhorizons.com/keatons...ash-uncertain/ __________________ [ ODYSSEY \| ORIGIN \| THE IMAGE/VOL. 3 CONCLUSION \| THE SHELLSHOCKED PODCAST \| ON FACEBOOK ]

03-24-2021, 07:28 AM	#300
Andrew NDB Weed Whacker Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Auburn, WA Posts: 34,574	If WB were really serious about their "Joker" style of movies disconnected from anything else, just one-shot "Artsy" movies... that's the only place I'd like to see more Keaton. Certainly not in some crapshoot just made to help legitimize Ezra Miller's FAKE Barry Allen. But yeah. Bring in Burton. As director or producer. "Old Man Batman." I'm not saying remake "The Dark Knight Returns" for the third time, or even do "Batman Beyond"... but there might be something there, even if taken entirely on its own merit. It needn't even really tie itself to the Burton movies at all... it could be almost "any" Old Man Batman. Like if Batman 1989 and Batman Returns were to Keaton what "A Fistful of Dollars" and "A Few Dollars More" were to Eastwood (sadly, Keaton's Batman never got a "The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly")... why not give him a one and done "Unforgiven," for his Batman? __________________ [ ODYSSEY \| ORIGIN \| THE IMAGE/VOL. 3 CONCLUSION \| THE SHELLSHOCKED PODCAST \| ON FACEBOOK ] Last edited by Andrew NDB; 03-24-2021 at 11:11 AM.

02-21-2021, 09:50 PM	#281
~~Sumac~~ Banned Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 6,129	Sadly this days its all about being trans, which is infinitely MORE harmful than pretending / proclaiming oneself Gay.

03-11-2021, 08:26 PM	#285
~~Leo656~~ Banned Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: nWo Country Posts: 27,703	WB has been in full "Lets just hope something sticks to the wall" mode for about the last 5 years. They know that a cameo from an elderly Michael Keaton Batman will bring in big money even if the movie itself is trash, so they lead with stuff like that. They know exactly how dumb and easily-manipulated the general audience is. Which is "very". As proof, I'll remind you that the thing people are most excited about is a cameo from Social Security Batman. In a FLASH movie. Awesome.

03-21-2021, 09:19 PM	#286
CyberCubed Overlord Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 43,888	So after watching the Snyder cut I have renewed interest in this movie. I haven't kept up on all the news and rumors, so I know nothing besides it being about Flash and Batman is in it. So someone bring me up to speed. Didn't they say Michael Keaton is returning as Batman in this too? But nothing about Christian Bale reprising his role, right? So as far as we know only two Batman? Likewise has this been filmed already? Meaning it's definitely happening? Do we know if any of Flash's villains are in this? And since "Flashpoint" means reboot, about how much do you think they'll reset the universe? We know Wonder Woman 3, Aquaman 2, etc. are still coming...so obviously they can't reboot everything.

03-22-2021, 06:10 AM	#289
~~Leo656~~ Banned Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: nWo Country Posts: 27,703	I just don't get the obsession with things a person loved when they were young. I loved Keaton as Batman, too... when I was 7. I loved him, loved his movies... mostly because they weren't a complete joke and they "kind of" respected the comics. Strong emphasis on "kind of". And then you can just throw all of that out for "Batman Returns" because that movie has as much to do with Batman as my ass does. I liked them fine, mostly for not being the Schumacher movies. I still like them when I watch them, but I'm not in love with them. The Bale movies came out and it was like "Oh, wait, okay, this is MUCH better." And then seeing Affleck in the role, he's even better still (although granted, he's been given not even a fraction of the material to work with as the others were). There was a time when I would have been genuinely excited to see Keaton as Batman again. That would have been, like, pre-1999. Not when he's literally a senior citizen and almost completely bald. This feels like people just not being able to move on from what made them swoon when they were little. I'm genuinely curious to see what he does with it, I admit. But "excited"... no, not really. ESPECIALLY not in what's ostensibly a "Flash" movie - one that by all accounts is going to have very, VERY little Flash in it, what with all the cameos and fanservice and "Reboot Everything!" going on. Mostly, I'm resentful because NONE of this stuff belongs in the First-Ever Solo Flash Movie that's ever been made. This isn't even a "Flash Movie" anymore, it's just "WB Flings Even More Crap At The Wall, Round 59." You could tell me that Cavill, Routh, and the Ghost Of Chris Reeve were all having cameos in it, and I might chuckle and say "Alright, I'll take a look" but I won't be EXCITED about it because NONE of that sht belongs in a FLASH MOVIE*. Same people who crapped on BvS for "Too many cameos, not enough Superman in this 'Superman movie'"... are excited about a "Flash movie" in which the title character is pretty much gonna be a guest star. Because the guy they liked as Batman 30+ years ago is gonna be in it for five minutes. Same exact people! THAT'S what gets people hard. Blows my mind. It's like they don't even hear themselves talk.

03-22-2021, 06:49 AM	#291
~~Leo656~~ Banned Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: nWo Country Posts: 27,703	That's my thing, though, is people shouldn't swoon. There's nothing to swoon over. People swear they're not just easily-amused, but... that IS, in fact, the case. "I don't like DC movies because they don't have the 'sophisticated' storytelling, or the more 'human' elements of their MCU counterparts." "We have AARP Batman gonna be in the Flash movie for like two minutes, though." "DUDE! AWESOME, sign me up for that sh*t! Finally, a DC movie I'd pay to see!" Fan-wank. That's all it is and that's all anybody really wants, no matter what they say.

03-22-2021, 10:34 AM	#293
~~Leo656~~ Banned Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: nWo Country Posts: 27,703	Yeah, that's an interesting point. Although for as limiting as Keaton's suit was, his "Batman Posture" is pretty damn iconic. Every kid used to imitate that when they'd dress up as Batman, back in the day. Not bad for something that was completely the fault of poor costume technology. It got over! But yeah, as far as actual "Batman Doing Batman Sht"... I don't know how that warehouse fight in BvS is ever gonna be topped. I just really don't. I mean, I liked Nolan's movies, a lot. First two, at least. Third has problems. Not the least of which is the fight choreography, but Nolan is open that he's not great at fight scenes. On "Begins", especially, the "Less-Is-More" approach definitely worked well. But by "Rises" you've got guys falling over without getting hit, other guys standing around WAITING to get hit... and it's a mess. The fight scenes in his Batman movies objectively were not great, even when most everything else was. But man, That Warehouse Scene... I mean, that's just It. That's Batman*. I don't see how anyone could stage a "better" Batman Fight Scene with that scale and have it come off as good. Even if a person completely hates the rest of the movie... if someone tells me they hate the Warehouse Scene with Batman then I know for a fact they're just busting balls.

03-22-2021, 02:12 PM	#295
~~Leo656~~ Banned Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: nWo Country Posts: 27,703	I guess we can go with that! In all seriousness, though, stuff like that in "Dark Knight Rises" makes me mad because the first two movies simply did not have those kinds of flaws or mistakes. They weren't perfect, but they were TIGHT. There's very little that one could actively call a "mistake". But then in "Rises", you've got the aforementioned "Guys just falling over" scene, you've got the raid on the Stock Exchange where it keeps switching between daytime and nighttime while the guys are on their motorcycles or whatever - sht gave me flashbacks to the "King of the Road" match between Dustin Rhodes and Blacktop Bully at WCW Uncensored '95 - and just so many little mistakes that you know only made it in because WB rushed the project. On the first two, Nolan had more or less all the time he needed, but on the third WB was pushing for a hard release date and so he had to rush and thus the movie simply isn't as good as the first two, in script or execution. I don't blame Nolan at all. It's ALWAYS Fcking WB and their "We Need Our Bonuses!" nonsense. But a Flaw is a Flaw, regardless, and that movie has issues. And it wouldn't bother me SO much, if the first two weren't almost Perfect Movies.

03-22-2021, 03:57 PM	#296
~~Sumac~~ Banned Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 6,129	Agreed. I can judge movie / game / whatever for what it was supposed to be, but final appraisal is always for what it is.

03-22-2021, 08:57 PM	#297
~~Leo656~~ Banned Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: nWo Country Posts: 27,703	I love how Bruce Wayne just points his dick at any chick who treats him nice in that movie. The first one he shows an interest in gets him crippled by Bane; the second one, he actually gets to fck and it turns out to be the one whose Master Plan is to kill him and blow up the city. "World's Greatest Detective", everybody! You make Good Decisions, Bruce! Like leaving your cave and all your high-tech state-if-the-art gear with someone who has absolutely no idea how to use it and nobody to teach him. Your little sidekick John "Robin" Blake absolutely got himself killed the first night he tried to go out as "New Coke Batman". You're a fcking idiot, Bruce. And he wasn't an idiot in the first movie, is the thing. Second movie, either. Really crystal example of how the script for that third movie was just really, really rushed. It's just a bunch of "cool moments" that fall apart if you think about them for any length of time at all. The first two weren't like that! It irks me.