Henry Cavill again out as DCEU's Superman (formerly "exits" then "returns")

[NinjaPug]

Flyby was an abomination but generally I just think JJ is a terrible storyteller. I'm sure I've gone off on JJ here multiple times so I'll save you all from another diatribe.

Also think we'll definitely get a black Superman with this one. You'll be seeing countless clickbait articles about Michael B Jordan, John Boyega, John David Washington, Yayha, etc. playing him until they officially cast someone.

[Leo656]

Oh yeah, 99.9% probability that they cast a black guy. "Because it's the one thing we haven't tried yet to 'modernize' the character and appeal to a new audience!" Dumb.

None of this bodes well. Ah well, I'm done with comic book movies anyway after "Justice League" next month. I might watch the Flash gimmick out of curiosity but that promises to be horrible, I'm just kind of curious as to how big a train wreck it will be.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Honest question: are there many "cornfed midwestern country boy" African-Americans? Is that a thing?

Because in my brain, that conjures up a white guy who either looks like Steve Rogers or Clark Kent. And "All-American cornfed midwestern country boy" is what matters for who Superman is.

I'm willing to be taught differently on this. I just want to know.

Also, JJ Abrams is the syphilis of movie producers. He honestly is what raises all the red flags for me here, not Superman's skin color.

[Leo656]

For me it's both of those things. Those are two big "Do Not Wants".

[Coola Yagami]

Originally Posted by CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy

Honest question: are there many "cornfed midwestern country boy" African-Americans? Is that a thing?

Because in my brain, that conjures up a white guy who either looks like Steve Rogers or Clark Kent. And "All-American cornfed midwestern country boy" is what matters for who Superman is.

I'm willing to be taught differently on this. I just want to know.

Also, JJ Abrams is the syphilis of movie producers. He honestly is what raises all the red flags for me here, not Superman's skin color.

The movie will either pretend cornfed all american country black people are a thing or they'll change all that.

Expect the movie to deal greatly with 'what it means to be a black man with power' with heavy emphasis on 'black' and not so much the 'man' part.

[Leo656]

And for what it means to be an "alienated outcast" who can never TRULY be accepted by the world they live in no matter how much they try. That nail will be banged hard and repeatedly, you can expect.

Because, y'know... those themes were taken SO well in the last few Superman movies. The general audience absolutely loves it when the "outcast" thing is at the forefront. That's why all the Superman movies since "Superman Returns" make so much money and get such overwhelmingly great reviews.

WB totally gets the character. Totally.

[CyberCubed]

I severely doubt they'll do a black Superman. This isn't some side character or spinoff, this is Superman, one of the most iconic superheroes of all time. Casting a black man as Superman isn't very likely, he's not a side character or minor character.

Plus having a black man raised in Kansas by possibly still white parents (assuming Martha/John are white), gives "slave vibes" and I don't think they want to do that.

[Leo656]

Depends. By all accounts, a few years ago Sony was hellbent on having a black Spider-Man for their next movie (the one that eventually became "Homecoming") until the internet backlash was too great and they switched gears. And they technically could have gotten away with it by using Miles Morales, but they decided to play more conservative. But they originally wanted to have him be a black guy. Which is probably why they got Zendaya for "MJ", as a compromise.

Race-flipping is an easy way to win points nowadays. Hollywood wants to look "progressive" and "forward-thinking". The easiest way to get ink (and protect your movie from criticism) is to race-flip someone, predominantly a main character. Because then if you don't like the movie itself, "You're a racist". What "better" way than to have it be Superman? It solves both of their problems; they get a ton of coverage AND nobody will be allowed to say they didn't like the movie. Win/Win for WB.

You could stand to be a lot more cynical, 'Cubed.

[CyberCubed]

I mean there were rumors the next James Bond would be black too but that didn't pan out (although I guess it technically could since I'm sure Daniel Craig is done with Bond).

But eh, I cannot see Superman or Batman ever being black. They are just too iconic. There's a reason the next Batman movie again has a white actor, and why Superman on TV is a white guy too. There are just some things that can't be changed. It would cause way too big a rift, even black people themselves don't want it.

[sdp]

Yeah, it's not some conspiracy theory that hollywood wants to change people's mind, they pander to what's popular at the moment, they don't have the guts to give us a black superman. I'd be all for it just because that would be an actual statement but they're just going to diversify other characters who aren't the main one.

[frank_one]

If they decide to go with a black Superman (I still doubt they will do it) we can expect Martha and/or John being black as well.
Whenever I read the name "JJ Abrams" a shiver runs down my spine.

[CyberCubed]

Like in Man of Steel, Perry White was black played by Lauren Fishburne. But nobody cared because well...it's Perry White. Nobody cares what Clark Kent's boss looks like. He's a minor character all things considered.

[AquaParade]

I'd say there is a good chance he is black and they've already picked him out. It could really go either way, but in one corner you have:

A. The success of Black Panther
B. The recent "vacancy" of the role Boseman was just playing. Not specifically Black Panther, but as a black superhero idol to fans across the world.
C. The need to distance this version from the very recent, previous incarnation
D. They may feel satisfied by having a white Clark on television
E. WB has been emboldened by taking risks. "Joker" speaks to this.

On the other:

A. Coates didn't dictate Captain America be black when writing the comics
B. There may be more leverage in showing how lame white people are through the lens of white Superman, if this is indeed the angle (lol).

[CyberCubed]

So of course, Resetera loves the idea of a black superman and hopes it happens:

https://www.resetera.com/threads/the...perman.385538/

[AquaParade]

I don't hate the idea. I don't want the story of Superman to be about race, and there is reason to believe that could happen. But it's not such concrete evidence that I am willing to start ******** my pants and calling for doomsday now. I've seen too many hot takes like that backfire, even around here, over the last few years.

I'm cautious, but hopeful that they can make this an authentic Superman story that isn't about skin color.

[Leo656]

Regardless of that, the name "J.J. Abrams" should be enough reason to abandon all hope.

The guy is simply a parasitic vulture who attaches himself to popular franchises so that he can "fix" them (until they break) and he can continue to be credited as a "visionary" when he's anything but. He's a hack.

His "Star Trek" ripped off Star Wars. His Star Wars ripped off "Better Star Wars". His "best" thing was probably "Cloverfield", which was just "What if we made a Godzilla movie where nobody could see the thing they're paying to see... or anything else, either?" The only thing close to an "original" idea that was well-executed was probably "Super 8", and much of the hype for that movie was "It's a 'Cloverfield' prequel!" until suddenly it wasn't. And that wasn't all that original, either.

Abrams sucks. He makes garbage in a very pretty trash can, so that people can't figure out that it's garbage until the stench is overpowering. It's entertaining garbage, his movies aren't unwatchable, but they completely fall apart upon any serious thought.

He's not necessary for this project. BUT, all WB cares about is money. "Force Awakens" made money. "Rise of Sh*twalker" made money. That's how Abrams gets this undeserved reputation for "saving" damaged brands... because they make money, even though they still suck.

He's NOT the magic bullet WB thinks he is, and the fact that HE'S the guy they run to to "fix" Superman shows that they learned absolutely nothing from the Joss Whedon Experiment.

[Coola Yagami]

Originally Posted by AquaParade

I'm cautious, but hopeful that they can make this an authentic Superman story that isn't about skin color.

Nope. They literally have no reason to do it unless they make it all about skin color.

I mean that's not right but that's how they think.

They could make an awesome movie that ignores his skin color and the Powers That Be will see it as a missed opportunity to virtue signal the **** out of it.

[Autbot_Benz]

According to THR, the project is being set up as a "Black Superman story," which is an idea WB has been kicking around for quite a while. Black Panther star Michael B. Jordan reportedly wanted to develop his own take on Supes back in 2019 (sounds like there was some truth to the rumor) when he first joined the studio, and while nothing ever came of that, it is "possible that the studio could return to him to star down the line."

https://www.comicbookmovie.com/super...2777#gs.u392my

[AquaParade]

They should get an asian guy. I just want to see what happens. I have no theories.

[Leo656]