LeBron James to Star in Space Jam 2

[Sumac]

Originally Posted by Papenbrook

I'm glad that they've toned down Lola Bunny. It was inappropriate then , and it would be inappropriate now. Especially in a franchise that is primarily targeted towards children/youth, they need to set an example.

So, how do you feel about "sex work"? Do you think its acceptable and causes less harm to women, than seductive cartoon bunny?

Originally Posted by Papenbrook

I'm also glad that they've gotten rid of Pepe Le Pew. His appearance was never needed.

I hope that he will be banned forever.

I'm just thankful that the director actually considered how women/girls would've felt.

Yeah, I forgot that all women and girls are fragile snowflakes who will break down, if they see pervert cartoonish skunk.

[GoldMutant]

I had this conversation on "Cancel Culture" last night regarding Pepe.

Honestly, he's one of my least favorite characters from Looney Tunes. Personally find him one-note compared to the others. At the same time, I question if people have seen all his shorts, or generalizing him.

As others have pointed out, the point of Pepe is ironic: he's confident but something prevents Pepe from getting a victory. He stinks, literally and figuratively. It's like Johnny Bravo: both are overtly confident, but something gets in their way. Usually, it's overconfidence, but it varies.

However, didn't Pepe occasionally get stalked by Penelope Pussycat? You know, the one he's pursued and who still has a role possibly in the movie? I'm with Powder on this: you can't do a simple black-and-white situation like that. You miss the point of the satire/slapstick as a result.

Oh, and by the way....

Originally Posted by Papenbrook

...in a franchise that is primarily targeted towards children/youth, they need to set an example.

...Looney Tunes is accessible for all ages, not primarily children. They'll latch on for the wacky comedy and, later, the characters over time. Older audiences enjoy it for those same reasons, but also because several of the Looney Tunes are relatable. That, and the clever writing/storytelling to boot.

It is this point-of-view that ruins several franchises. We know things are dated; standards of today differ from, say, the 1930s. It is up to the creators if they feel the material should be removed. (ex: Dr. Suess' family/team) Otherwise, the overtly sterilizing product doesn't allow for boundaries to be broken. It's doable, but the point gets lost.
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Back to Space Jam. The original is a product of its time.

For this, I'm unsure how to feel about it still. I think using video games is a smart choice, but is LeBron James still relevant today?

Probably just need some time getting used to it. Hoping Michael Jordan makes a cameo, if possible.

[ZariusTwo]

Originally Posted by Papenbrook

I'm just thankful that the director actually considered how women/girls would've felt.

You haven't seen the Pepe shorts where Penelope totally wants his d*ck and scared him s*itless have you Helen Lovejoy?

I can't imagine what you would have thought of Fifi and Furball in Tiny Toon Adventures.

[Coola Yagami]

Originally Posted by Papenbrook

I'm also glad that they've gotten rid of Pepe Le Pew. His appearance was never needed.

I hope that he will be banned forever.


I'm just thankful that the director actually considered how women/girls would've felt.

Actually some girls grew up watching Pepe and learned it's ok to not want a man's affections, it's ok to say no, hence the cat always running away.

You must have never seen the cartoons but let me refresh your memory.

First of all, Pepe's affections are never glorified. He's the one taking all the slapstick and all the L's in his shorts. It's never been portrayed as he's in the right and she's in the wrong.

Second, in some episodes the cat actually likes Pepe at first, before the skunk odor flows her way, then she starts running. It's a cartoon. The odor is always portrayed as this smoke of sorts and even though it should be apparent right way, usually the characters can't smell it until the smoke actually flies near their nostrils.

Third, in the times that Pepe had something happen in which the odor was temporarily removed, the cat goes apeshit and acts just as clingy to him as he did to her and it freaks him out. "Cherie, control yourself!'

Basically speaking, Pepe and Johnny Bravo are similar in the way that they're overconfident, oblivious to how women perceive them, but most all, they're all talk. I know they're cartoons and all that, but it's obviously both of them have never had a woman, and for all their pursuits and attempts, it's clear neither would know what to do with a woman if she actually returned their affections.

So no there's nothing wrong with Pepe. He's just a funny character as are the rest of the Looney Tunes. Anyone who has a problem with him are obviously only watching the first 2 minutes of the short and never actually see how it ends.

Plus, you can just change him up. Later incarnations of the character has tones down the amorous side and has just kept the snooty French gimmick. Plus he was supposed to get his comeuppance in Space Jam 2 (which again, would have been a good lesson for girls) but most of these people always miss the point of everything and would rather cut out the scene altogether than have a chance to teach girls no means no. Idiots. Plain and simple.

[Coola Yagami]

Originally Posted by ZariusTwo

You haven't seen the Pepe shorts where Penelope totally wants his d*ck and scared him s*itless have you Helen Lovejoy?

I can't imagine what you would have thought of Fifi and Furball in Tiny Toon Adventures.

Now that I mention it, Fifi is worse, cause unlike Pepe, she never gets any kind of comeuppance at all. I assume cause she's a woman so they take it easy on her with the slapstick, but she never gets 'what's coming to her' the way Pepe usually does.

I think in a way, Fifi works because it can also teach boys that they don't always have to say yes when a girl goes crazy over them. Most of everything in the world teaches you 'you're not a man' if you're not already dropping your pants the moment a woman tells you she wants you, it's good to see a female example of the guy also saying 'no means no'.

I mean it's subtle, but the message is there. It's more than being a skunk. Furball and the rest DO. NOT. WANT. HER. If they did, they woulda just put in some nose plugs and have it.

[Coola Yagami]

Ugh... just heard the news that the original scene was supposed to be Pepe working at a bar when he hits on and tries to kiss the arm of a real life actress. The actress then slaps him so hard the bar stool is spinning and spills her drink on him. This is apparently when LeBron and Bugs come in and Pepe tells them whenever Lola is to be found but also mentions the cat files a restraining order on him.


Kinda glad that entire scene got cut actually. It misses the point entirely of the character. Not to mention, Pepe only seemed crazy about what he thought was female skunks. And like previously mentioned, the cat actually wanted him on occasions.

I would have preferred some kind of joke where they got married and had kids and he's all broken down and exhausted and said some kind of joke like 'sacre bleu, I tink I prefer it when mon cherie was, 'how you say'... playing hard to get?'

idk.. the original scene reeks too much of 'take that toxic male'. Like I bet the blue-haired female extras were fighting backstage over who got to slap him in that one scene.

[Leo656]

Fifi was the first thing I thought of when the thing about Pepe came out.

"It's only 'toxic' if a guy does it, when women do it it's adorable." People are f*cking stupid.

[ZariusTwo]

Helga Pataki from Hey Arnold is revered as one of the best developed and complex female characters in all of animation, but my god if you caught that show in it's prime (or even watched the recent Jungle Movie), and realised the backlash if she were an actual guy...

[Vicky82]

Here's the trailer

[ZariusTwo]

Not a fan of them upgrading to CGI for the last act.

[Coola Yagami]

Originally Posted by Vicky82

Here's the trailer

eh.... idk.... Feels like Ready Player One part 2 except a huge focus is on Looney Tune World (similar to how Wreck-It Ralph took most of its time in Candy Crush or whatever that world was).

The first movie was just wild silly 'who cares if it made sense or not' fun. This one is just trying waaaaaaaaay too hard to logically explain how people can meet the Looney Tunes and whatnot. So.... did they bring cartoon characters to the real world in the third act?

Is April O'Neil finally gonna knock on my door?

[CyberCubed]

Kinda baffled people made a big thing out of Lola Bunny's redesign when she looks fine in the movie. And like I wouldn't even have noticed it if I just watched the trailer. Furries have really corrupted the internet.

[Coola Yagami]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

Kinda baffled people made a big thing out of Lola Bunny's redesign when she looks fine in the movie. And like I wouldn't even have noticed it if I just watched the trailer. Furries have really corrupted the internet.

All about those bunny boobies.

[ZariusTwo]

Zendaya is voicing Lola

https://ew.com/genre/movies/zendaya-...cy-lola-bunny/

[Autbot_Benz]

Originally Posted by ZariusTwo

Zendaya is voicing Lola

https://ew.com/genre/movies/zendaya-...cy-lola-bunny/

So they couldn't or didn't bother to get kath soucie back to voice her again? I hate hollywood's trend of replacing established voice actors with the celeb of the week.

[sdp]

Meh, i give them props for not rehashing the original movie with LeBron James and instead try something new.

[ZariusTwo]

Originally Posted by sdp

Meh, i give them props for not rehashing the original movie with LeBron James and instead try something new.

What's new about it?

Wreck It Ralph and Lego Batman Movie did all of this already

[Coola Yagami]

Originally Posted by Autbot_Benz

So they couldn't or didn't bother to get kath soucie back to voice her again? I hate hollywood's trend of replacing established voice actors with the celeb of the week.

Probably the excuse of 'best person for the job' while not even asking Kaith or not bothering to interview any white women.

[Andrew NDB]

So... no Pepe Le Peu because he's "problematic"... but it's OK to have the actual rape gangs from "A Clockwork Orange" at 2:24? The old "in out, in out"?

[Leo656]

I think this thing makes the original look like Citizen Kane.