'Captain America 4' in the Works With 'Falcon and the Winter Soldier' Showrunner

*Autbot_Benz* · 04-23-2021, 03:55 PM

Spellman will pen the script with Dalan Musson, a staff writer on the Disney+ Marvel series.
Malcolm Spellman is picking up Captain America's shield once again.

The head writer and show creator behind Disney+ and Marvel's The Falcon and the Winter Soldier is developing a fourth installment of the Captain America film franchise for Marvel Studios. Spellman will co-write the script with Dalan Musson, a staff writer on Falcon and the Winter Soldier.

No castings for the project are officially known but Friday’s episode offers plenty of roads for the feature to take. Up until this point, Chris Evans has played Captain America via the Steve Rogers character, appearing in a trio of solo movies, Avengers outings, and assorted Marvel movies. And the question of who is entitled to carry the shield or be Captain America was central to the show.

The feature is likely to continue the story of Sam Wilson, played by Anthony Mackie, and the current wielder of the shield. But as the writers get to work, it will interesting to see how the story unfolds with there now being multiple people who have been Captain Americas in the Marvel Cinematic Universe.

No director is attached and Evans’ involvement or return remains unconfirmed. Marvel was tight-lipped as usual.

Falcon and the Winter Soldier, which also stars Sebastian Stan as Bucky Barnes/The Winter Soldier, has earned strong critical and fan reaction. Spellman assembled a nearly all-Black writer's room for the series, which has been praised for bringing the Black experience to the forefront not quite like any other superhero film or TV show before it. The series has tackled issues as every day as discriminatory lending practices, to the original sins of America building itself on the backs of Black people.

The series premiered March 19, to what Disney+ said was its biggest series debut ever, topping popular shows such as Marvel's WandaVision and Lucasfilm's The Mandalorian.

Evans toplined three previous Captain America films, including Captain America: The First Avenger (2011), Captain America: The Winter Soldier and Captain America: Civil War (2016), and retired the role with Avengers: Endgame. When events pick up in Falcon and the Winter Soldier, Wilson opted to forgo the title of Captain America, and sees the government give the role to John Walker (Wyatt Russell), a white member of the military.

Spellman was previously a writer/co-executive producer on Fox show Empire and also acted as a consulting producer on crime show Truth Be Told before getting the chance to take the lead on Falcon. He is repped by CAA and Industry Entertainment.

Musson was the credited writer of what is considered among the strongest of the show's installments, episode 5. He is a rising scribe whose previous credit was on Iron Sky: The Coming Race, an action thriller centered on Nazis on the moon. He is repped by Verve and Industry.

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*IMJ* · 04-23-2021, 04:27 PM

How stunning and brave.
See, white people are accepting of real inclusion which is why we don't scream "cultural appropriation" all the time when black people come in and try to take or change our stuff.

But it seems that black people want what everyone else has created, but then get angry if someone does a nod to "their culture". But then again no other cultures synthetically produce their own accent to separate themselves from the rest of humanity, either. Black People Outraged At Asian Girl Who Sounds Black In Film.

*CyberCubed* · 04-23-2021, 05:40 PM

People will accept a black Captain America because it's Sam Wilson taking up the mantle which is fine.

*neatoman* · 04-23-2021, 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by CyberCubed

People will accept a black Captain America because it's Sam Wilson taking up the mantle which is fine.

Uhm... OK? I guess? Not sure what you mean, the impression I got is that most people think MCU Sam is fairly bland and forgettable.

*oldmanwinters* · 04-23-2021, 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by neatoman

Uhm... OK? I guess? Not sure what you mean, the impression I got is that most people think MCU Sam is fairly bland and forgettable.

He's definitely "the side kick" type in the existing Marvel movies. It's not easy to elevate that type into a viable top-billing film.

*Andrew NDB* · 04-23-2021, 06:53 PM

Everyone has a cool "origin story." We know Steve's. Bucky went through literal hell. And they both became super soldiers... one of them with a vibranium arm.

Sam? When you remove race and how "important" that is right now from the equation... what is he? A nice guy with no superpowers with a sister in debt who taught himself to kind of throw a shield over the course of 1 episode, basically. That's not much of anything. Again, I don't think it was even suggested that he invented or can repair (himself) the Falcon wing tech.

*neatoman* · 04-23-2021, 07:12 PM

As far as I can tell, it was created by the air force.

*IMJ* · 04-23-2021, 08:22 PM

I love Anthony Mackie's Sam. I thought he made that character relevant and likeable as a relevant and very human touchstone for Steve and for good living.
Lost a lot of love for the character during his "put yourself in service to them" speech to Bucky though.

*Zulithe* · 04-23-2021, 08:38 PM

Bucky just doesn't have that same cool factor without the Star on his arm. I get why it's gone but his 'costume' is kinda boring. I wish he'd get something cooler.

Wasn't thrilled with the season but it was entertaining. Glad I watched it. Wandavision way better. Looking forward to Loki, which I hope to be closer to Wandavision quality.

*Coola Yagami* · 04-25-2021, 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by neatoman

Uhm... OK? I guess? Not sure what you mean, the impression I got is that most people think MCU Sam is fairly bland and forgettable.

He means that Sam Wilson is an actual separate character, not that they went and cast a black Steve Rogers. Not that hard to understand.

*CyberCubed* · 04-25-2021, 02:02 PM

People are also huge fans of black Captain America.

~~AquaParade~~ · 04-25-2021, 03:16 PM

I'm getting a kick out it how many online pundits don't want to admit they like John Walker. Everyone has to temper it "I don't want to say I liked him, but..." as they go on to lavish the character and his arc.

He was a complicated character who was portrayed well. And he was likeable in some ways. I feel like people think it is some kind of political statement to admit they like him.

*CyberCubed* · 04-25-2021, 05:14 PM

Eh, I didn't really like him, but I guess that was the point. His character and basically the look of the actor himself were basically designed to be unlikeable.

~~AquaParade~~ · 04-25-2021, 07:50 PM

I felt like most attempts to make us dislike him were actually pretty weak.
Up until episode 4, his only real sin was being prideful, which we’ve seen with a lot of Marvel heroes. Even then, he was a pretty friendly guy.

Then episode 4 mixed things up, but when you look at the context, it’s more of a tragedy than anything else - Walker struggles to succeed as Cap, takes serum in hopes to save more lives, loses control of mind from mix of serum and seeing his friend die. So obviously he did the wrong thing there, but I don’t hate him or “love to hate him” as I’ve seen a lot of people say.

*ZariusTwo* · 05-31-2021, 06:20 AM

Plans are already changing for the movie. Sharon was supposed to be the villain, but her role will now be 'reduced' due to fan backlash

https://www.cbr.com/captain-america-...-role-changed/

*Andrew NDB* · 05-31-2021, 06:25 AM

What? Dumb. I think. But I guess I assumed her big payoff was going to be in the Secret Invasion series as a Skrull. So... she isn't actually a Skrull in Falcon & Winter Soldier? Wow. Maybe TPTB read everyone saying she is obviously a Skrull when she wasn't supposed to be... and rethought everything.

~~Vegita-San~~ · 05-31-2021, 07:09 AM

has anyone brought up how they gave us an 'old steve out' in endgame?
that scene with scott turning all different ages is the perfect way to 'young' him again.

my question with old steve was....where was he when his wife was in the hospital dying of Alzheimer's?

or at her funeral? hiding from young steve?

~~Sumac~~ · 05-31-2021, 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

What? Dumb. I think. But I guess I assumed her big payoff was going to be in the Secret Invasion series as a Skrull. So... she isn't actually a Skrull in Falcon & Winter Soldier? Wow. Maybe TPTB read everyone saying she is obviously a Skrull when she wasn't supposed to be... and rethought everything.

Terminator Salvation again?
Could those idiots learn anything from the past mistakes?

*Galactus* · 05-31-2021, 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Vegita-San

has anyone brought up how they gave us an 'old steve out' in endgame?
that scene with scott turning all different ages is the perfect way to 'young' him again.

Sure, that's how they were going to fix Thor until Hemsworth talked them into him remaining fat. I imagine though that unless Chris Evans wants to commit to properly returning as Steve Rogers (as in not just a one off or infrequent cameos etc) then it would be pointless turning him young again.

In-universe you could say that the tech is unreliable so not worth the risk and Steve has lived his life and that's enough for him

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my question with old steve was....where was he when his wife was in the hospital dying of Alzheimer's?

or at her funeral? hiding from young steve?

It's strange to me these questions still come up. It's made clear in the movie that going back doesn't alter history but creates a new timeline that splinters off from the original.

Steve went to live in alternate timeline before returning to the main MCU timeline to reunite with Sam and Bucky. We don't know how his presence affected that history although we know he retrieved that universes Steve Rogers' shield to replace the one Thanos broke.

~~Vegita-San~~ · 05-31-2021, 06:01 PM

because of one simple thing. if it was an alternate timeline, how come old steve was there at all? he should have stayed in that alternate universe. if they wanted us to think that it was one, then they should have shown old steve popping up like ant man coming out of the portal.

that's one thing that confuses people. I always assume he got his shield back from the capvrs cap fight. or made another one

04-23-2021, 03:55 PM	#1
Autbot_Benz Hellblazer Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: Ventura California Posts: 9,191	'Captain America New World Order Spellman will pen the script with Dalan Musson, a staff writer on the Disney+ Marvel series. Malcolm Spellman is picking up Captain America's shield once again. The head writer and show creator behind Disney+ and Marvel's The Falcon and the Winter Soldier is developing a fourth installment of the Captain America film franchise for Marvel Studios. Spellman will co-write the script with Dalan Musson, a staff writer on Falcon and the Winter Soldier. No castings for the project are officially known but Friday’s episode offers plenty of roads for the feature to take. Up until this point, Chris Evans has played Captain America via the Steve Rogers character, appearing in a trio of solo movies, Avengers outings, and assorted Marvel movies. And the question of who is entitled to carry the shield or be Captain America was central to the show. The feature is likely to continue the story of Sam Wilson, played by Anthony Mackie, and the current wielder of the shield. But as the writers get to work, it will interesting to see how the story unfolds with there now being multiple people who have been Captain Americas in the Marvel Cinematic Universe. No director is attached and Evans’ involvement or return remains unconfirmed. Marvel was tight-lipped as usual. Falcon and the Winter Soldier, which also stars Sebastian Stan as Bucky Barnes/The Winter Soldier, has earned strong critical and fan reaction. Spellman assembled a nearly all-Black writer's room for the series, which has been praised for bringing the Black experience to the forefront not quite like any other superhero film or TV show before it. The series has tackled issues as every day as discriminatory lending practices, to the original sins of America building itself on the backs of Black people. The series premiered March 19, to what Disney+ said was its biggest series debut ever, topping popular shows such as Marvel's WandaVision and Lucasfilm's The Mandalorian. Evans toplined three previous Captain America films, including Captain America: The First Avenger (2011), Captain America: The Winter Soldier and Captain America: Civil War (2016), and retired the role with Avengers: Endgame. When events pick up in Falcon and the Winter Soldier, Wilson opted to forgo the title of Captain America, and sees the government give the role to John Walker (Wyatt Russell), a white member of the military. Spellman was previously a writer/co-executive producer on Fox show Empire and also acted as a consulting producer on crime show Truth Be Told before getting the chance to take the lead on Falcon. He is repped by CAA and Industry Entertainment. Musson was the credited writer of what is considered among the strongest of the show's installments, episode 5. He is a rising scribe whose previous credit was on Iron Sky: The Coming Race, an action thriller centered on Nazis on the moon. He is repped by Verve and Industry. https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/he...source=twitter __________________ I respect what FW cartoon did for the turtles franchise but it is the most overrated and hard to watch of the 3 turtles cartoons. Last edited by Autbot_Benz; 07-23-2022 at 07:38 PM.

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IMJ Emperor Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Midwest, U.S.A. Posts: 8,892	How stunning and brave. See, white people are accepting of real inclusion which is why we don't scream "cultural appropriation" all the time when black people come in and try to take or change our stuff. But it seems that black people want what everyone else has created, but then get angry if someone does a nod to "their culture". But then again no other cultures synthetically produce their own accent to separate themselves from the rest of humanity, either. Black People Outraged At Asian Girl Who Sounds Black In Film. __________________ Wave 1 Collectibles Online Market Watch Blog Collection Photography

04-23-2021, 06:53 PM	#6
Andrew NDB Weed Whacker Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Auburn, WA Posts: 34,558	Everyone has a cool "origin story." We know Steve's. Bucky went through literal hell. And they both became super soldiers... one of them with a vibranium arm. Sam? When you remove race and how "important" that is right now from the equation... what is he? A nice guy with no superpowers with a sister in debt who taught himself to kind of throw a shield over the course of 1 episode, basically. That's not much of anything. Again, I don't think it was even suggested that he invented or can repair (himself) the Falcon wing tech. __________________ [ ODYSSEY \| ORIGIN \| THE IMAGE/VOL. 3 CONCLUSION \| THE SHELLSHOCKED PODCAST \| ON FACEBOOK ]

04-23-2021, 08:22 PM	#8
IMJ Emperor Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Midwest, U.S.A. Posts: 8,892	I love Anthony Mackie's Sam. I thought he made that character relevant and likeable as a relevant and very human touchstone for Steve and for good living. Lost a lot of love for the character during his "put yourself in service to them" speech to Bucky though. __________________ Wave 1 Collectibles Online Market Watch Blog Collection Photography Last edited by IMJ; 04-23-2021 at 08:27 PM.

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ZariusTwo Overlord Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Britain, DINO THUNDER...POWER UP! Posts: 22,494	Plans are already changing for the movie. Sharon was supposed to be the villain, but her role will now be 'reduced' due to fan backlash https://www.cbr.com/captain-america-...-role-changed/ __________________ Spider-Man: The Rescue Spider-Man: The Galloping Cat Spider-Man: Scarlet Mirror Doctor Who: Child of the Daleks

04-23-2021, 05:40 PM	#3
CyberCubed Overlord Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 43,881	People will accept a black Captain America because it's Sam Wilson taking up the mantle which is fine.

04-23-2021, 08:38 PM	#9
Zulithe Ninjutsu Master Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Bay Area, CA Posts: 6,418	Bucky just doesn't have that same cool factor without the Star on his arm. I get why it's gone but his 'costume' is kinda boring. I wish he'd get something cooler. Wasn't thrilled with the season but it was entertaining. Glad I watched it. Wandavision way better. Looking forward to Loki, which I hope to be closer to Wandavision quality.

04-25-2021, 02:02 PM	#11
CyberCubed Overlord Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 43,881	People are also huge fans of black Captain America.

04-25-2021, 03:16 PM	#12
~~AquaParade~~ Banned Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 8,450	I'm getting a kick out it how many online pundits don't want to admit they like John Walker. Everyone has to temper it "I don't want to say I liked him, but..." as they go on to lavish the character and his arc. He was a complicated character who was portrayed well. And he was likeable in some ways. I feel like people think it is some kind of political statement to admit they like him.

04-25-2021, 05:14 PM	#13
CyberCubed Overlord Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 43,881	Eh, I didn't really like him, but I guess that was the point. His character and basically the look of the actor himself were basically designed to be unlikeable.

04-25-2021, 07:50 PM	#14
~~AquaParade~~ Banned Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 8,450	I felt like most attempts to make us dislike him were actually pretty weak. Up until episode 4, his only real sin was being prideful, which we’ve seen with a lot of Marvel heroes. Even then, he was a pretty friendly guy. Then episode 4 mixed things up, but when you look at the context, it’s more of a tragedy than anything else - Walker struggles to succeed as Cap, takes serum in hopes to save more lives, loses control of mind from mix of serum and seeing his friend die. So obviously he did the wrong thing there, but I don’t hate him or “love to hate him” as I’ve seen a lot of people say.

05-31-2021, 06:25 AM	#16
Andrew NDB Weed Whacker Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Auburn, WA Posts: 34,558	What? Dumb. I think. But I guess I assumed her big payoff was going to be in the Secret Invasion series as a Skrull. So... she isn't actually a Skrull in Falcon & Winter Soldier? Wow. Maybe TPTB read everyone saying she is obviously a Skrull when she wasn't supposed to be... and rethought everything. __________________ [ ODYSSEY \| ORIGIN \| THE IMAGE/VOL. 3 CONCLUSION \| THE SHELLSHOCKED PODCAST \| ON FACEBOOK ]

05-31-2021, 07:09 AM	#17
~~Vegita-San~~ Banned Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 6,089	has anyone brought up how they gave us an 'old steve out' in endgame? that scene with scott turning all different ages is the perfect way to 'young' him again. my question with old steve was....where was he when his wife was in the hospital dying of Alzheimer's? or at her funeral? hiding from young steve?

05-31-2021, 06:01 PM	#20
~~Vegita-San~~ Banned Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 6,089	because of one simple thing. if it was an alternate timeline, how come old steve was there at all? he should have stayed in that alternate universe. if they wanted us to think that it was one, then they should have shown old steve popping up like ant man coming out of the portal. that's one thing that confuses people. I always assume he got his shield back from the capvrs cap fight. or made another one