Rittenhouse/ self defense

~~mrmaczaps~~ · 11-16-2021, 03:28 PM

Odd to not see this thread already going on over here...

So, Rittenhouse... self defense or killer?

Why?

Not arguing he should not have been there or not and it was lawful for him to be armed... I know where I stand & why.

What say you dromers? Lol

*Andrew NDB* · 11-16-2021, 05:01 PM

Someone pointing a gun at you loses the guarantee of their still being alive. Similarly someone beating you with a skateboard, particularly someone who sees you with a gun.

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Not arguing he should not have been there or not

Why not? Let's ask the others there why they were there that night. We already know the answer for Rittenhouse.

*oldmanwinters* · 11-16-2021, 05:28 PM

I really don't care about the verdict one way or another. My gut feeling is that legally Rittenhouse was in the right. But it seems like everybody has to be on one "team" or the other on this issue.

A lot of last year's problems could have been avoided if everybody stayed home.

~~mrmaczaps~~ · 11-16-2021, 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by oldmanwinters

I really don't care about the verdict one way or another. My gut feeling is that legally Rittenhouse was in the right. But it seems like everybody has to be on one "team" or the other on this issue.

A lot of last year's problems could have been avoided if everybody stayed home.

You should care. Its not just his right to defend his own life on trial... its anyones'.

~~mrmaczaps~~ · 11-16-2021, 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

Someone pointing a gun at you loses the guarantee of their still being alive. Similarly someone beating you with a skateboard, particularly someone who sees you with a gun.

Why not? Let's ask the others there why they were there that night. We already know the answer for Rittenhouse.

Only because its irrelevant why he was there... or that he shouldn't have been there or not. As in, he was there, now discuss his right (and ours) to self defense... to not be chased down by a homicidal lunatic that turned out to be a child raping pedophile or two relative abusing convicted felons (& the 4th guy that jump kicked Kyle, turned out to also be a career criminal...)...

Lets say that shooting rosenbaum was even remotely in question (its not, cuz evidence shows his hand was on Kyle's gun & trying to take someone's firearm is always justification for self defense...), this still leaves the fact that Kyle's next instinct was to disengage and run away from the angry mob towards police and therefore he cannot be seen as instigating anything else BUT self defense against his next three attackers.

Carrying a firearm is not "premeditated" anything as they prosecutor tried to claim... I carry daily. Sometimes more than one firearm. For my safety cuz I'm not going to outrun anyone trying to attack me...

Mostly I was curious to see who hates themselves so bad they'd defend four criminals that attacked a minor... who was armed. Lol

joe-eyeball · 11-16-2021, 06:34 PM

If the jury follows the laws of the state then they MUST acquit him. There is no legal case to be made otherwise. The only possible reason I can think of that could result in finding him guilty is the jurors would be worried about public backlash for finding him not guilty.

~~mrmaczaps~~ · 11-16-2021, 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by joe-eyeball

If the jury follows the laws of the state then they MUST acquit him. There is no legal case to be made otherwise. The only possible reason I can think of that could result in finding him guilty is the jurors would be worried about public backlash for finding him not guilty.

And that is currently happening.... at least two jurors have somehow made it known they are concerned about being attacked for voting not guilty... the judge should just throw out the case with prejudice, not guilty on all counts.

joe-eyeball · 11-16-2021, 07:50 PM

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And that is currently happening.... at least two jurors have somehow made it known they are concerned about being attacked for voting not guilty... the judge should just throw out the case with prejudice, not guilty on all counts.

Pretty much! The judge should overturn the verdict if it were to come back not guilty because the jurors would have clearly not have reached their decision based on facts and the laws of that state.

~~1987~~ · 11-16-2021, 08:10 PM

“those poor blm/antifa thugs, they just wanted to peacefully protest for racial justice by pushing a flaming dumpster into a gas station until that terrorist got in the way and murdered them”… that’s how the leftist commies view this case.

this is about a communist mayor, a communist police dept, and a communist district attorney in a blue suburb in a red state, making an example out of someone that dared stand up against the communist political violence and intimidation.

the commies are hoping that Kyle gets locked up in prison as a lesson that no one will be allowed to fight back against communists trying to take over America.

that’s why they’re painting the real terrorists as the victims and vice versa.

will they riot again? probably. it’s looking like Kyle will be acquitted on all charges and rightfully so, but who knows, there is alot of jury intimidation going on. commies on twitter already calling for Kenosha to burn to the ground if he is acquitted. blm/antifa seriously gonna riot over a 17 year old that defended himself against 3 white guys.

*Andrew NDB* · 11-16-2021, 08:14 PM

I don't think it was even ever about the prosecution winning the case. It seems largely about scaring people away from self defense. Like, even if you have a gun pointed at you and you kill the guy... you might just come an asshair away from life in prison! So better to stay away from the peaceful protesters and let them do their thing, burn homes, businesses while you wait for the social workers to arrive, etc..

joe-eyeball · 11-16-2021, 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

I don't think it was even ever about the prosecution winning the case. It seems largely about scaring people away from self defense. Like, even if you have a gun pointed at you and you kill the guy... you might just come an asshair away from life in prison! So better to stay away from the peaceful protesters and let them do their thing, burn homes, businesses while you wait for the social workers to arrive, etc..

This is 100% correct. This case is more of an indictment on armed self defense than anything else! Hell, I have talked to people that actually believe that if he is found not guilty it will cause a tidal wave of vigilante justice and bring back the Wild West days. There are so many people completely out of touch with reality. It’s both amusing and scary at the same time!

Bahamut810 · 11-16-2021, 09:11 PM

I have been watching the trial daily to try to keep up. If he is guilty the 2nd means nothing...this should be appealed as far as nessessary.

*Coola Yagami* · 11-16-2021, 11:43 PM

I'm probably not informed enough about it, but I mean, if you're dumb enough to chase a guy with a gun, you kinda deserve what's coming to you.

From what I see from the Left, there's a apparently a pic of the kid hanging with 'The Proud Boys' doing hand symbols so everyone is acting like he's a white supremacist and if he goes free it's a win for white supremacy.

Similar to the Floyd case, the Left is acting like they're gonna raise literal hell if he gets off. That's not justice, that's forcing their hand to get the verdict you want through threats of violence.

*Andrew NDB* · 11-16-2021, 11:57 PM

It's pretty hysterical. A white supremacist based on him carrying a gun... and he only ended up shooting two white guys who attacked him, one of which a convicted pedophile?

*Coola Yagami* · 11-17-2021, 12:10 AM

yeah and I got the usual wackos posting stuff on FB like 'Rittenhouse is a murderer, if you don't agree with me, just unfriend me right now'.

~~Sumac~~ · 11-17-2021, 12:53 AM

In a normal country all this trash that threats violence, if KR is acquitted should be shut down. Since US right now is not a normal country, I am afraid they are given too much power for too little investment.

I personally want to see those ****wads trying to start **** only to immediately being **** down by cops.

~~Vegita-San~~ · 11-17-2021, 07:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

It's pretty hysterical. A white supremacist based on him carrying a gun... and he only ended up shooting two white guys who attacked him, one of which a convicted pedophile?

who where apparently rioting for the 'lefts' cause to begin with.

the only people who seem to do violence in riots are the left, that's why I have a hard time to believe the capitol riots where all 'trump supporters'.

it fits their mo too well.

I never even heard of this case until some YT channel got shut down simply for stating the facts. from what I gather, it was another BLM riot and this kid was supposedly just trying to defend himself. although what he was doing with what looked like a high powered rifle might be another matter.

Bahamut810 · 11-17-2021, 11:24 AM

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From what I see from the Left, there's a apparently a pic of the kid hanging with 'The Proud Boys' doing hand symbols so everyone is acting like he's a white supremacist and if he goes free it's a win for white supremacy.

That happened long after the event. He is a minor celebrity in some circles...that's not his fault.

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It's pretty hysterical. A white supremacist based on him carrying a gun... and he only ended up shooting two white guys who attacked him, one of which a convicted pedophile?

He shot 3 individuals, 2 of whom where killed. The first death (Rosenbaum) being a convicted child molester five times over is a non-point in the case because there was no way for Rittenhouse to know that.

The cast for the prosecution at this point is essentially "Did you see what he was wearing, he asked for this!". They need to proved that he provoked the initial attack and the only thing they can fall back on is the fact that the gun he had may have provoked Rosenbaum.

The jury being hung out of fear should call for a mistrial with prejudice. This happening right now means that he will never be able to get a fair trial...because Activists from the Left will harass and attack jurors.

*Andrew NDB* · 11-17-2021, 11:30 AM

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He shot 3 individuals, 2 of whom where killed. The first death (Rosenbaum) being a convicted child molester five times over is a non-point in the case because there was no way for Rittenhouse to know that.

No, no way for him to know that but perhaps a valid argument for the further neutralizing of him, as given his penchant for child molestation he could have been trying to rape Kyle, who was a child at the time. Like, is Kyle supposed to wait until he's actually being penetrated to be in the right?

Which one was the one who was screaming at him, calling him an N-word repeatedly (and again, this, but Kyle is the white supremacist? seems like he was the one who stamped out some white supremacy that night!)? The dead one, or the bicep vaporizer guy?

Bahamut810 · 11-17-2021, 11:47 AM

Rosenbaum (the first death of two) was the one screaming that...and threatening people and in general “fronting” and a king aggressive through the night.

The second death I think had a felony...but he had a skateboard and bashed Rittenhouse on the head and tried to take the rifle when he was shot (I think he had a hole in his hand in a direction proving that if people didn’t trust video).

Bicept guy was a domestic abuser with a felony who was concealed carrying and had his pistol aimed at Rittenhouses head when he was shot.

11-16-2021, 03:28 PM	#1
~~mrmaczaps~~ Banned Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Maine Posts: 2,619	Rittenhouse/ self defense Odd to not see this thread already going on over here... So, Rittenhouse... self defense or killer? Why? Not arguing he should not have been there or not and it was lawful for him to be armed... I know where I stand & why. What say you dromers? Lol

11-16-2021, 05:28 PM	#3
oldmanwinters Overlord Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Between yesterday and tomorrow! Posts: 15,511	I really don't care about the verdict one way or another. My gut feeling is that legally Rittenhouse was in the right. But it seems like everybody has to be on one "team" or the other on this issue. A lot of last year's problems could have been avoided if everybody stayed home. __________________ Experience the TMNT Fan Commentaries! Check out my TMNT fan comic, "Nothing to Fear"! View my sketch work! I'm selling some of my hard-to-find TMNT items!

11-16-2021, 08:14 PM	#10
Andrew NDB Weed Whacker Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Auburn, WA Posts: 34,588	I don't think it was even ever about the prosecution winning the case. It seems largely about scaring people away from self defense. Like, even if you have a gun pointed at you and you kill the guy... you might just come an asshair away from life in prison! So better to stay away from the peaceful protesters and let them do their thing, burn homes, businesses while you wait for the social workers to arrive, etc.. __________________ [ ODYSSEY \| ORIGIN \| THE IMAGE/VOL. 3 CONCLUSION \| THE SHELLSHOCKED PODCAST \| ON FACEBOOK ]

11-16-2021, 11:43 PM	#13
Coola Yagami Overlord Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 15,727	I'm probably not informed enough about it, but I mean, if you're dumb enough to chase a guy with a gun, you kinda deserve what's coming to you. From what I see from the Left, there's a apparently a pic of the kid hanging with 'The Proud Boys' doing hand symbols so everyone is acting like he's a white supremacist and if he goes free it's a win for white supremacy. Similar to the Floyd case, the Left is acting like they're gonna raise literal hell if he gets off. That's not justice, that's forcing their hand to get the verdict you want through threats of violence. __________________ "I was down with TMNT once, but then they changed what TMNT was. Now what I was down with is no longer TMNT and what TMNT now is seems weird and scary. And it'll happen to YOU." Check out my blog for Comic Reviews and other things. https://markepicblogofrandomness.blogspot.com/ I also started The AEW Crew, the All Elite Wrestling Fan Club! https://www.facebook.com/groups/637508120044168/

11-16-2021, 11:57 PM	#14
Andrew NDB Weed Whacker Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Auburn, WA Posts: 34,588	It's pretty hysterical. A white supremacist based on him carrying a gun... and he only ended up shooting two white guys who attacked him, one of which a convicted pedophile? __________________ [ ODYSSEY \| ORIGIN \| THE IMAGE/VOL. 3 CONCLUSION \| THE SHELLSHOCKED PODCAST \| ON FACEBOOK ]

11-16-2021, 06:34 PM	#6
joe-eyeball Stone Warrior Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Cleveland Posts: 708	If the jury follows the laws of the state then they MUST acquit him. There is no legal case to be made otherwise. The only possible reason I can think of that could result in finding him guilty is the jurors would be worried about public backlash for finding him not guilty.

11-16-2021, 08:10 PM	#9
~~1987~~ Banned Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 640	“those poor blm/antifa thugs, they just wanted to peacefully protest for racial justice by pushing a flaming dumpster into a gas station until that terrorist got in the way and murdered them”… that’s how the leftist commies view this case. this is about a communist mayor, a communist police dept, and a communist district attorney in a blue suburb in a red state, making an example out of someone that dared stand up against the communist political violence and intimidation. the commies are hoping that Kyle gets locked up in prison as a lesson that no one will be allowed to fight back against communists trying to take over America. that’s why they’re painting the real terrorists as the victims and vice versa. will they riot again? probably. it’s looking like Kyle will be acquitted on all charges and rightfully so, but who knows, there is alot of jury intimidation going on. commies on twitter already calling for Kenosha to burn to the ground if he is acquitted. blm/antifa seriously gonna riot over a 17 year old that defended himself against 3 white guys.

11-16-2021, 09:11 PM	#12
Bahamut810 Stone Warrior Join Date: May 2021 Location: USA Posts: 704	I have been watching the trial daily to try to keep up. If he is guilty the 2nd means nothing...this should be appealed as far as nessessary.

11-17-2021, 12:10 AM	#15
Coola Yagami Overlord Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 15,727	yeah and I got the usual wackos posting stuff on FB like 'Rittenhouse is a murderer, if you don't agree with me, just unfriend me right now'. __________________ "I was down with TMNT once, but then they changed what TMNT was. Now what I was down with is no longer TMNT and what TMNT now is seems weird and scary. And it'll happen to YOU." Check out my blog for Comic Reviews and other things. https://markepicblogofrandomness.blogspot.com/ I also started The AEW Crew, the All Elite Wrestling Fan Club! https://www.facebook.com/groups/637508120044168/

11-17-2021, 12:53 AM	#16
~~Sumac~~ Banned Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 6,129	In a normal country all this trash that threats violence, if KR is acquitted should be shut down. Since US right now is not a normal country, I am afraid they are given too much power for too little investment. I personally want to see those **wads trying to start only to immediately being ** down by cops.

11-17-2021, 11:47 AM	#20
Bahamut810 Stone Warrior Join Date: May 2021 Location: USA Posts: 704	Rosenbaum (the first death of two) was the one screaming that...and threatening people and in general “fronting” and a king aggressive through the night. The second death I think had a felony...but he had a skateboard and bashed Rittenhouse on the head and tried to take the rifle when he was shot (I think he had a hole in his hand in a direction proving that if people didn’t trust video). Bicept guy was a domestic abuser with a felony who was concealed carrying and had his pistol aimed at Rittenhouses head when he was shot.