Splinter's origin story. - Page 5

Savanti Romero · 11-13-2003, 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by tmnterminator

The only thing that still kinda gets me is that the mutation makes you turn into the animal you were nearest to at the time of exposure right? (Thus, baxter, bebop, etc). So why didn't he turtles mutate in a hybrid with Splinter (a rat) and Splinter, in turn, mutate into a mix with the turtles. They themselves were the last animals they were in contact with after the exposure...in fact splinter had been livin under the sewers for some time prior to the ooze fallin into the drain...he should be even less likely to turn humanish than the turtles...(this of course goes for the pet rat story)

I'll agree with that. Just that the turtles didn't mix with a humanm, and splinter did doesn't make sense to me. I like that they were all animals and the ooze gave them human qualities.

Plus, I am an animal supremisist! (however you spell it.) Splinter was a very smart rat.

Lisardo · 11-13-2003, 04:12 PM

I agree, I was also dissapointed alittle with the FB origin story. And yes you're right, Shredder must be some kinda of demon or something cuz he had his had chopped off. So if Shredder's some old demon, then I can believe that Splinter is no ordinary rat then. Must be some kinda special creature with a unique power. Who knows, maybe when Splinter was some kinda reincarnated being, therefore making him 'special'. If you believe in that sorta thing. Just a guess.

*heretic888* · 11-13-2003, 04:31 PM

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The only thing that still kinda gets me is that the mutation makes you turn into the animal you were nearest to at the time of exposure right? (Thus, baxter, bebop, etc). So why didn't he turtles mutate in a hybrid with Splinter (a rat) and Splinter, in turn, mutate into a mix with the turtles. They themselves were the last animals they were in contact with after the exposure...in fact splinter had been livin under the sewers for some time prior to the ooze fallin into the drain...he should be even less likely to turn humanish than the turtles...(this of course goes for the pet rat story)

*coughs* The mutagen doesn't work that way in the original story (Mirage).

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I'll agree with that. Just that the turtles didn't mix with a humanm, and splinter did doesn't make sense to me. I like that they were all animals and the ooze gave them human qualities.

*nods* Yes, as I understand it, the mutagen in the comic is supposed to be some "evolutionary catalyst" or the like, that evolved the turtles and Splinter thousands, perhaps millions, of years ahead of what they currently were.

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I agree, I was also dissapointed alittle with the FB origin story. And yes you're right, Shredder must be some kinda of demon or something cuz he had his had chopped off. So if Shredder's some old demon, then I can believe that Splinter is no ordinary rat then. Must be some kinda special creature with a unique power. Who knows, maybe when Splinter was some kinda reincarnated being, therefore making him 'special'. If you believe in that sorta thing. Just a guess.

*raises eyebrow* Eh??

**Karpo_007** · 11-13-2003, 04:40 PM

My guess is Splinter's grandparents are from Nagasaki area..

*J Legault* · 11-13-2003, 05:27 PM

I'm more comfortible with the original orgin line of Splinter.
The Movies/Mirage/2003 one have the true origins.
When I viewed a Download of Turtles Tracks I see their Splinter's origin. That one is OK for the original cartoon. I know that cartoons in the 80s and early 90's can't have death meantion. since today it doesn't matter if there's death in action cartoons.

Since in the original origins, Splinter follows his master's skills and teach his sons the way of Marshal Arts.

Knowing the rat very well.

~~Leo656~~ · 11-13-2003, 07:11 PM

Well, not to be a wiseguy, but... he would indeed have to have been a VERY special rat, seeing as how the bone and muscle structure of normal rats would prohibit them from standing upright and doing martial arts. The same goes for the turtles.

That's why I think the mutagen did far more than simply make them all grow and give them intelligence. Somehow it must have seriously altered their bone and muscle structure as well to resemble that of humans. Hm, I wonder if that was painful? I never really thought about it that deeply before, but one could imagine that it would be.

And another thing... if Splinter was a normal rat before he got mutated... how'd he learn to read? How'd he know about Renaissance art? It's possible he could have picked things up here and there while Yoshi's pet... but not likely nearly enough to be the wise old sage we all know him as.

Stuff like that is why I always leaned towards the "human-into-rat" origin more. With some differences, of course. I thought the old cartoon had a FEW good ideas but they didn't do a great job of explaining it either. I like the concept of Splinter being Hamato Yoshi, but the way the old show executed it wasn't very good.

*Anarchistguy* · 11-13-2003, 07:28 PM

One thing that bugs the living HELL out of me about the 1987 origin: why in God's name did splinter turn into a rat when the last animal he was in contact with was the TURTLES?!

And i like the Mirage origin better. While the old cartoon origin made more sense, I REALLY hate it when people change origin stories.

~~Leo656~~ · 11-13-2003, 07:30 PM

Well you just explained the way I feel. Cartoon origin made more sense *in theory*, but the way they actually DID it was pretty muddled. The thing with Yoshi having last been in contact with the Turtles is just one area in particular they goofed on.

Splinter · 11-13-2003, 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by anarchistguy

One thing that bugs the living HELL out of me about the 1987 origin: why in God's name did splinter turn into a rat when the last animal he was in contact with was the TURTLES?!

And i like the Mirage origin better. While the old cartoon origin made more sense, I REALLY hate it when people change origin stories.

No, he was last in contact with the rats. He made contact with the ooze first, when he was picking up the turtles to clean them off. Genetically as soon as they made contact with the ooze, both they and Yoshi would have been in flux for the change. Hence why he mutated into a rat, instead of a turtle. Sure, it's contrived and a stretch. But they couldn't have adapted the Mirage origin story. They didn't F*** it up by any means though, they did what they could with the way children's cartons were at the time.

*Anarchistguy* · 11-13-2003, 07:35 PM

And were the TMNT half human in the 1987 cartoon?

~~Leo656~~ · 11-13-2003, 07:41 PM

The way I write it in my fics is that Yoshi was forced to flee to America, stuff happened and he was forced to live in the sewers amongst the rats, there was that accident with the truck carrying the ooze a'la Mirage, the Turtles got dropped into the sewer, Yoshi found them, cleaned the gunk off them (and exposed them to his own human DNA), then when he went to touch one of the rats (with the ooze still on his hands) it got spooked and bit him, therefore the more direct exposure to the rats' DNA took precedence during Yoshi's/Splinter's transformation. I also wrote it so that the change took place slowly over time rather than instantaneously. Yoshi noticing patches of hair/fur sprouting on himself, etc.

'Course, I also wrote it with the origin/intent of the ooze being somewhat different, too. The ooze as I wrote it was created by a company with some rather shady practices that was secretly experimenting with combining animal and human DNA in an effort to create a genetically-altered soldier for use in specefic combat conditions. Some people like it, some don't, but seeing as how I was never completely happy with either the Mirage or the cartoon origin for Splinter, I decided to write one that I was happy with.

Splinter · 11-13-2003, 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by anarchistguy

And were the TMNT half human in the 1987 cartoon?

They were definatly humanoid, yes. Just like Splinter was a humanoid rat.

*Anarchistguy* · 11-13-2003, 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Vintage Splinter

They didn't F*** it up by any means though, they did what they could with the way children's cartons were at the time.

Ok, maybe I exagerrated a bit, but when I meant f*** up, I meant modifying the story. I'm sorry if you misunderstood me.

**Kali** · 11-13-2003, 10:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Leo656

'Course, I also wrote it with the origin/intent of the ooze being somewhat different, too. The ooze as I wrote it was created by a company with some rather shady practices that was secretly experimenting with combining animal and human DNA in an effort to create a genetically-altered soldier for use in specefic combat conditions.

o.O That sounds kinda like the plot to my comic... Great minds so think alike. ^-^

Anyway, for the cartoon origin, I think Yoshi had a rat on his shoulder when he first stepped in the ooze. Then he touched the Turtles? I have to watch my tape again...

*Coola Yagami* · 02-02-2004, 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by anarchistguy

And were the TMNT half human in the 1987 cartoon?

um...they walk on 2 legs.. they talk.. they fight... they sure as hell look half human to me. if they weren't, they'd just be giant turtles (you know a giant real turtle, like the galapagos turtles).

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11-13-2003, 04:12 PM	#82
Lisardo Stone Warrior Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Seattle, Washington Posts: 702	I agree, I was also dissapointed alittle with the FB origin story. And yes you're right, Shredder must be some kinda of demon or something cuz he had his had chopped off. So if Shredder's some old demon, then I can believe that Splinter is no ordinary rat then. Must be some kinda special creature with a unique power. Who knows, maybe when Splinter was some kinda reincarnated being, therefore making him 'special'. If you believe in that sorta thing. Just a guess. __________________ "Look I'm not gonna stop doing what's right just because it's not appreciated." -Leo

11-13-2003, 05:27 PM	#85
J Legault Mad Scientist Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: West Coast Posts: 2,054	I'm more comfortible with the original orgin line of Splinter. The Movies/Mirage/2003 one have the true origins. When I viewed a Download of Turtles Tracks I see their Splinter's origin. That one is OK for the original cartoon. I know that cartoons in the 80s and early 90's can't have death meantion. since today it doesn't matter if there's death in action cartoons. Since in the original origins, Splinter follows his master's skills and teach his sons the way of Marshal Arts. Knowing the rat very well. __________________ I am a fan of TMNT and I'm still one today. I got into the habbit back in 1992 or 93' when I was little. I would like to thank my 2 year older cousin for getting me in the habbit. 2001 was when I revised my knowledge on TMNT. And today I'm a bigger fan than I was years ago. I have all 3 TMNT Movies, current Toon, and old school Toon on DVD.

11-13-2003, 07:28 PM	#87
Anarchistguy Mad Scientist Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Canada (This country is too peaceful, Something's up...) Posts: 2,137	One thing that bugs the living HELL out of me about the 1987 origin: why in God's name did splinter turn into a rat when the last animal he was in contact with was the TURTLES?! And i like the Mirage origin better. While the old cartoon origin made more sense, I REALLY hate it when people change origin stories. __________________ M.D.K. Maim! Destroy! Kill!!! "When my time comes, I wanna be buried face down, so those who don't like me can kiss my ass!"

11-13-2003, 07:35 PM	#90
Anarchistguy Mad Scientist Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Canada (This country is too peaceful, Something's up...) Posts: 2,137	And were the TMNT half human in the 1987 cartoon? __________________ M.D.K. Maim! Destroy! Kill!!! "When my time comes, I wanna be buried face down, so those who don't like me can kiss my ass!"

11-13-2003, 04:40 PM	#84
Karpo_007 Inactive Moderator Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Finland Posts: 8,798	My guess is Splinter's grandparents are from Nagasaki area..

11-13-2003, 07:11 PM	#86
~~Leo656~~ Banned Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: nWo Country Posts: 27,703	Well, not to be a wiseguy, but... he would indeed have to have been a VERY special rat, seeing as how the bone and muscle structure of normal rats would prohibit them from standing upright and doing martial arts. The same goes for the turtles. That's why I think the mutagen did far more than simply make them all grow and give them intelligence. Somehow it must have seriously altered their bone and muscle structure as well to resemble that of humans. Hm, I wonder if that was painful? I never really thought about it that deeply before, but one could imagine that it would be. And another thing... if Splinter was a normal rat before he got mutated... how'd he learn to read? How'd he know about Renaissance art? It's possible he could have picked things up here and there while Yoshi's pet... but not likely nearly enough to be the wise old sage we all know him as. Stuff like that is why I always leaned towards the "human-into-rat" origin more. With some differences, of course. I thought the old cartoon had a FEW good ideas but they didn't do a great job of explaining it either. I like the concept of Splinter being Hamato Yoshi, but the way the old show executed it wasn't very good.

11-13-2003, 07:30 PM	#88
~~Leo656~~ Banned Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: nWo Country Posts: 27,703	Well you just explained the way I feel. Cartoon origin made more sense in theory, but the way they actually DID it was pretty muddled. The thing with Yoshi having last been in contact with the Turtles is just one area in particular they goofed on.

11-13-2003, 07:41 PM	#91
~~Leo656~~ Banned Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: nWo Country Posts: 27,703	The way I write it in my fics is that Yoshi was forced to flee to America, stuff happened and he was forced to live in the sewers amongst the rats, there was that accident with the truck carrying the ooze a'la Mirage, the Turtles got dropped into the sewer, Yoshi found them, cleaned the gunk off them (and exposed them to his own human DNA), then when he went to touch one of the rats (with the ooze still on his hands) it got spooked and bit him, therefore the more direct exposure to the rats' DNA took precedence during Yoshi's/Splinter's transformation. I also wrote it so that the change took place slowly over time rather than instantaneously. Yoshi noticing patches of hair/fur sprouting on himself, etc. 'Course, I also wrote it with the origin/intent of the ooze being somewhat different, too. The ooze as I wrote it was created by a company with some rather shady practices that was secretly experimenting with combining animal and human DNA in an effort to create a genetically-altered soldier for use in specefic combat conditions. Some people like it, some don't, but seeing as how I was never completely happy with either the Mirage or the cartoon origin for Splinter, I decided to write one that I was happy with.