If you want people to have ID to vote, you're a racist

[Andrew NDB]

And/or possibly members of the Confederacy, basically. According to Biden.

https://nypost.com/2022/01/11/joe-bi...fferson-davis/

[IndigoErth]

Where is the part in your article about voter ID?

Where is the part about this meaning he's being strong because he's saying something that might sound harsh and f*** people's feelings?

Where is my "I don't care about more pot stirring" poll option.


I went and looked up info about their proposed voting rights act, two that have reportedly now been combined, and all I found related to voter ID was this.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features...s-bill-entail/

Freedom to Vote Act and the John Lewis Voting Rights Advancement Act into a single bill, the Freedom to Vote: John R. Lewis Act.

Require states that mandate voter IDs to also accept sworn statements signed by the voter.

Require states that mandate voter IDs to accept a broad and uniform range of both photo and non-photo IDs.

But if you'd like to try to make sense of the actual text in the act here it is.

[ProphetofGanja]

Biden's not really in control

[Coola Yagami]

I'm kinda confused. Don't you need like a state ID or driver's license or whatever. Like you can't just walk up to the polls and vote can you? Or are they just making some sort of new voter ID card or something?

I'm a bit lost on the issue. I'm also a bit confused about the 'racist' side where apparently black people and other POCs feel it would be difficult for them to get it? I'm confused there too cause like... they have no problems getting a driver's license, why would this be an issue?

I kinda need someone to spell this **** out for me. All I hear is voter Id and voter ID and OMG so racist, but I'm kinda lost as to what and why.

[Andrew NDB]

Basically it's that the bill wants to make all the temporary COVID voting measures permanent (which means ballots mailed out to people who #1 aren't even requesting them, and #2 certainly aren't showing any ID when they put it back in the envelope), enable people to be bribed in voting lines and all, and enable ballot harvesting in the name of helping out the black community. In a nutshell.

The part that Biden is talking about boils down to the inference that the black community is largely incompetent, doesn't know how to vote, and don't know how to get ID, so you must be a racist and confederate if you don't want this bill to help them out. It's actually wildly insulting and wildly racist of its own merit.

[Coola Yagami]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

The part that Biden is talking about boils down to the inference that the black community is largely incompetent, doesn't know how to vote, and don't know how to get ID

Wow... and as always Biden and his leftist supporters are too blind to see that that's racist in itself. Wow.

A lot of these people are like that. "I am not racist, but let me, a white person, help you, a POC because you're too stupid to know how to do anything without someone like me helping you'.

Tolerant left, ladies and gentlemen.

[mrmaczaps]

Joe Biden is/was friends with the top dog of the kkk. Fvck him & the racist, lying, cheating, terrorist loving democrats.

To vote you need to be an American CITIZEN & the only way to prove that is to verify ones identity via a photo id. And its awful MFing racist of him to assume "poc" don't have access for as little as $5 bucks or free, in some blue states... if you drive, you have a photo id. The South/Confederacy was democrats. Always has been, always will be.

There were still dead people listed when I voted last year. Illegals gets to vote in Portland Maine. And college kids who do NOT live here, not registered as city residents vote here. All of which is illegal, but overlooked by democrats.

[robertfiduciary]

Republiucans have only won the popular vote once since the election of the first Bush in 1988.

So, yeah. That would be, what? Almost 35 years.

Republicans have no ideas that the American people want.

So it's all about gerrymandering (look at Georgia!) for Republicans. It's all about getting rid of early voting. It's all about limiting absentee voting

It's all about claims of voter fraud that never really seem to affect the final outcome of anything.

It's all about doing everything they can to make voting harder for citizens. And, yeah! It's so weird that it's always POC that it's focussed on. Isn't it?

So, yeah. I think President Biden is right. It might be a little racist. I mean, as long as you believe in the Constitution (maybe look up the 24th Amendment sometime?), that is.

Maybe. Just a tad.

And while I hadn't discovered this website at the time, I'm sure if I went and searched, there was definitely a thread about how it was racist to make accusations of all the "rapists and murders" trying to sneak into America.

I'm sure you were super upset about that, too.

Wait!

You weren't?

Wow. That's weird.

I wonder why?

PS - The NY Post is f*cking right-wing, Rupert Murdoch-owned tabloid. It's the "National Enquirer" for the politically guillable.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by mrmaczaps

Joe Biden is/was friends with the top dog of the kkk. Fvck him & the racist, lying, cheating, terrorist loving democrats.

To vote you need to be an American CITIZEN & the only way to prove that is to verify ones identity via a photo id. And its awful MFing racist of him to assume "poc" don't have access for as little as $5 bucks or free, in some blue states... if you drive, you have a photo id. The South/Confederacy was democrats. Always has been, always will be.

There were still dead people listed when I voted last year. Illegals gets to vote in Portland Maine. And college kids who do NOT live here, not registered as city residents vote here. All of which is illegal, but overlooked by democrats.

And jesus, if there are large groups of people out there incapable of getting an ID... why is there no push from the Biden administration to get them these IDs, since they claim these groups are just so incapable of getting them? If this was a real thing (it isn't, of course) I'd be happy to vote for a bill that specifically addresses that.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by robertfiduciary

Republicans have no ideas that the American people want.

Well that's kind of the crux of it, isn't it? Republicans sometimes want stupid stuff, but there's an inherent level of humility. Humility in that they might not always be right, so there are a series of checks and balances to ensure no one on the far side of either side can blindly issue sweeping legislation the other half of the country doesn't like, the constitution, etc..

Democrats? At large, at least lately, there isn't that at all. There is no humility whatsoever. You can look them in the eye and when they speak you can tell they 100% believe that they and they alone know what's best for everyone, so shut up and sit down and get out of their way. Things like the constitution and the senate and the filibuster, you name it... mere things in the way of their righteous purpose. They don't see them as necessary obstacles to keep things in both balance and perspective... because why would they? They're 100% right and why delay their grand fix-all plan?

[robertfiduciary]

That's an interesting take. I obviously don't agree with it (at all), but I certainly do find it interesting.

Can you share some examples of that humility that you find in the Republican party? Which Republicans do you see as humbly serving the Constitution and their constituants more than... other interests?

And tell me about checks and balances when you're ready to discuss what's going on in Georgia. Tell me about checks and balances when every attempt Republicans make (at least that I can remember, in my lifetime) is to limit the ability of their opponents to exercise their freedom to choose their elected officials.

This isn't about racism on the left. It's not. It's about closing polling places in areas where the majority of citizens *JUST HAPPEN* to be people of color.

And the voter ID thing? Again, I'd like to introduce you to my friend, the 24th Amendment.

Also, it was mentioned here that voters were being sent ballots in the mail with having requested them. As far as I know, this didn't happen. What did happen was that voters were sent absentee ballot applications. Which they then had to fill out and mail back (which were them verified, and as someone who once worked in a city clerk office, believe me. They check that sh*t).

Only then would they receive an actual absentee ballot.

I'm also curious about what you said here: "blindly issue sweeping legislation the other half of the country doesn't like."

Couple questions about it:

1. What "sweeping legislation the other half of the country doesn't like" have Democrats attempted to pass? As far as I know, most (if not all) Democrat-led measures have broad public approval.

2. When you say, "half of the country doesn't like," you do know you're talking about the (actually less than) half of the country that voted for the losing side in the last election, right? So, they will have the opportunity to try to win again in the 2022 midterms, and then again in the 2024 Presidential Election. No "Participaton Trophies." No "Everyone's a winner."

That's kind of how this whole thing works.

So, yeah. We'll see what happens in November. I expect a lot of Republican gerrymandering shenanigans. I don't expect to hear a lot of actual solutions, but I'm sure we'll hear a lot of promises.

One other thing I've been thinking a lot about lately: there is no doubt in my mind that the Republican party is doing everything in their power to extend the Covid-19 pandemic as long as they can in order to hurt President Biden's first term in office. No doubt in my mind.

So, let's say it works. And Republicans win in 2024.

And Covid is still killing 1000 people a day. Maybe it's Covid-22 by then. WTF knows.

And the economy is still struggling.

And things are still just plodding along. Hospitals are filled. Well over 1,000,000 Americans are dead. Events are cancelled, rescheduled, cancelled and rescheduled again.

And Republicans win.

What's their plan then?

I can't help but wonder.

Think that's all for now. Thanks for the discussion. Be well, one and all.

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

Well that's kind of the crux of it, isn't it? Republicans sometimes want stupid stuff, but there's an inherent level of humility. Humility in that they might not always be right, so there are a series of checks and balances to ensure no one on the far side of either side can blindly issue sweeping legislation the other half of the country doesn't like, the constitution, etc..

Democrats? At large, at least lately, there isn't that at all. There is no humility whatsoever. You can look them in the eye and when they speak you can tell they 100% believe that they and they alone know what's best for everyone, so shut up and sit down and get out of their way.

[Leo656]

Jesus Christ.

I'm changing my vote, this guy's gotta be Voltron using an alt, right? Holy sh*t.

[robertfiduciary]

Am I the popular cartoon character from the 80's?

No, I am not.

Sorry?

PS - I've enjoyed reading your diatribes (rants? screeds?) on here. You should write a book.

PPS - Don't think I didn't notice how you just tried to deflect away from the points I attempted to make. Because, believe me. I noticed.

Originally Posted by Leo656

Jesus Christ.

I'm changing my vote, this guy's gotta be Voltron using an alt, right? Holy sh*t.

[Leo656]

Originally Posted by robertfiduciary

PS - I've enjoyed reading your diatribes (rants? screeds?) on here. You should write a book.

The joke is, I never learned to read.

[robertfiduciary]

Why should that stop you?

"To hell with circumstances, I create opportunities." - Bruce Lee

Originally Posted by Leo656

The joke is, I never learned to read.

[The Deadman]

Originally Posted by robertfiduciary

And while I hadn't discovered this website at the time, I'm sure if I went and searched, there was definitely a thread about how it was racist to make accusations of all the "rapists and murders" trying to sneak into America.

So you just indirectly acknowledged you've been on this forum previously. Also noticed how all of your posts are in the political threads, so you've been here before.

[Prowler]

Americans don't show their ID before voting? How can they confirm whether you've already voted or not, then? And don't you worry someone might use your name and thus prevent you from voting?

And what's with it being racist? Do black people in USA not have IDs/Drivers Licenses?! Of course they do. So what's the problem here, really?

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by Prowler

Americans don't show their ID before voting? How can they confirm whether you've already voted or not, then? And don't you worry someone might use your name and thus prevent you from voting?

You just have to trust our wonderful totally impartial bureaucrats.

And what's with it being racist? Do black people in USA not have IDs/Drivers Licenses?! Of course they do. So what's the problem here, really?

Biden is forcibly trying to paint it as that. It isn't. And anyone with a shred of intelligence should see through that... but I'm generally doubtful. If you're blue you mash blue. If you're red you (and you should, at least now... I used to mash blue) mash red. So I don't see too many minds being changed beyond the middle. Which I guess is still a big deal.

[mrmaczaps]

Originally Posted by robertfiduciary

Republiucans have only won the popular vote once since the election of the first Bush in 1988.

So, yeah. That would be, what? Almost 35 years.

Republicans have no ideas that the American people want.

So it's all about gerrymandering (look at Georgia!) for Republicans. It's all about getting rid of early voting. It's all about limiting absentee voting

It's all about claims of voter fraud that never really seem to affect the final outcome of anything.

It's all about doing everything they can to make voting harder for citizens. And, yeah! It's so weird that it's always POC that it's focussed on. Isn't it?

So, yeah. I think President Biden is right. It might be a little racist. I mean, as long as you believe in the Constitution (maybe look up the 24th Amendment sometime?), that is.

Maybe. Just a tad.

And while I hadn't discovered this website at the time, I'm sure if I went and searched, there was definitely a thread about how it was racist to make accusations of all the "rapists and murders" trying to sneak into America.

I'm sure you were super upset about that, too.

Wait!

You weren't?

Wow. That's weird.

I wonder why?

PS - The NY Post is f*cking right-wing, Rupert Murdoch-owned tabloid. It's the "National Enquirer" for the politically guillable.

Another twatwaffle, terrorist loving idiot appears.

[ZariusTwo]

Originally Posted by Leo656

The joke is, I never learned to read.