Cain Velasquez Situation

~~Leo656~~ · 03-02-2022, 10:59 PM

So I figure this should be a fun conversation.

Google it and c'mon back. Lotta folks on social media seem to think he's a hero, with a smattering of folks who think he's just a lunatic.

But what say You?

*Autbot_Benz* · 03-02-2022, 11:15 PM

My stance is anyone who is a pedo gets what's coming to him. Shame Cain didn't kill him before the cops got there.especially since it was Cain's relative that was touched inappropriately

joe-eyeball · 03-03-2022, 06:52 AM

I certainly never going to feel sorry for a pedo getting eliminated but Cain probably should’ve used a bit more control. I mean it’s one thing to meet the guy face to face to take care of business but to shoot wildly into an occupied car is far more reckless. He’s probably not going to just walk away from this. The whole story is sad.

*IMJ* · 03-03-2022, 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Autbot_Benz

My stance is anyone who is a pedo gets what's coming to him

How do we know the guy Velasquez went after was guilty? How do we know that a story didn't get misconstrued or warped?

~~Leo656~~ · 03-03-2022, 09:14 PM

I guess we don't. But conventional feeling when it comes to accusations of pederasty seems to be "Take no chances, shoot first and ask questions later."

Most people seem to feel like the only things he did "wrong" were the high-speed chase part and shooting the wrong guy by accident.

Many people also point out how, if for the sake of argument both men end up convicted of the crimes they are accused of, the "alleged" child molester would be out of jail a few decades earlier than Cain would be, and how that in no way feels like "justice".

Consensus seems to be, "Give Cain a slap on the wrist for endangering civilians during the high speed chase, but throw out the attempted murder charge since the guy deserved it."

Some people are raising a stink because the wrong guy got shot. But I kind of suspect his parents (the other people in the vehicle, the stepfather being the one who got shot) knew the guy's deal. A LOT of pedos end up living at home because they can't safely assimilate into society, and furthermore I am incredibly suspect of anyone who works with kids. So they probably enabled and covered up for the guy, I figure. In-home daycare places seem shady as f*ck.

I'unno, it's been all over my news feed for a couple of days so I wondered if anyone else had heard.

*Prowler* · 03-03-2022, 09:51 PM

I honestly hadn't heard of this until I read this thread.

Don't know anything beyond what's been written in the thread so far. Was the guy he shot guilty? If so, what proof did Cain Velazquez have?

Let's say the guy was indeed guilty. Unless Velazquez killed him in self-defense(highly unlikely, it seems) then I don't think he'll be able to legally get away with killing another human being. Taking matters into your own hands just isn't something you're allowed to do. Society isn't supposed to work like that. Does this mean I feel sorry for the guy who was killed, if he in fact was guilty? Of course not. But society and courts shouldn't allow people to take matters into their own hands like that either. Otherwise we'd see a lot more people getting murdered after being wrongly accused of something they didn't actually do. That's what lawyers, judges and courts are for. I understand the system is flawed and often bad people get away with ****. And I certainly understand how that revolts and angers honest law-abiding people.

That being said, if I had a son and someone had done something like that to him... I'd most likely murder the abuser, or at least feel tempted to do so. I think most parents would at least think about it. Doesn't mean they'd have the guts to pull the trigger at the end. I probably wouldn't either. But humans, like all species, get dangerous and aggressive when you hurt their offspring.

*IMJ* · 03-03-2022, 09:58 PM

All I'm saying is that there is a lot more witch hunting and accusations that aren't always true in the world than most people like to pile on about.

And if the guy is guilty, then different story but Velasquez is still a vigilante. He might have some defense in court for it given his testimonial emotional state at the time.

*Prowler* · 03-03-2022, 10:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by IMJ

All I'm saying is that there is a lot more witch hunting and accusations that aren't always true in the world than most people like to pile on about.

And if the guy is guilty, then different story but Velasquez is still a vigilante. He might have some defense in court for it given his testimonial emotional state at the time.

Yes, I understand that and I agree with you.

~~Leo656~~ · 03-03-2022, 10:17 PM

I kinda feel like Dana White banged the nail. To paraphrase: "Kinda hard to be mad at Cain, everyone always says that's what they would do if it were their kid, he actually went and did it."

Seems like literally the entire MMA community is behind him, at least. Rousey apparently being the latest to comment saying she would've done worse.

I guess I get the whole "accusations" bit, but the fact is we as a society do, occasionally, put rapists and pedophiles in jail and most times there's no "proof" besides someone's word. On SOME level, "Well they PROBABLY did it" has to be good enough because especially in cases of child molestation there's almost never any "proof". Otherwise there'd be like zero convictions for that at all. Unless they get lucky and find porn on someone's computer, almost every pedophile in jail was convicted not because there was proof, but because "They MIGHT be guilty and we can't risk it."

I'unno. I don't have a lot of respect for the legal system so a little vigilante justice is alright by me depending on circumstances.

I think where he f*cked up was the high speed chase and shooting the wrong guy. Common sense dictates that you T-bone the other car so they can't move, then walk up to the car and stick your gun in the window to be SURE you hit the right guy. Sounds to me like he was doing "Spray N Pray", which isn't how you do it. But I can't say he had the wrong idea in general. Just really sloppy execution.

There's still the fact that if both guys were hypothetically found guilty and even went to jail on the same day... The pedophile would be back on the streets literally decades sooner. That just doesn't feel right.

*IMJ* · 03-04-2022, 09:42 AM

Well, sometimes a person's word can evolve into truth through detail in trial. Did that happen here?

~~Leo656~~ · 03-16-2022, 06:28 PM

https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/form...143400940.html

It's funny to me how the judge denied his bail citing that releasing Cain was a danger to the community... And yet a different judge saw no problem with letting a guy accused of "over 100 incidents" of child molestation go free which is what led to this situation in the first place. Like, if the pedo was behind bars, nothing that followed could have happened. So what, if you're accused of being a pedo and the court sees enough merit in said charges to put you on house arrest - a joke punishment - then I guess you're NOT "a danger to the community"?

It's even more asinine that the guy was given "house arrest" as a punishment considering that all the molestation incidents allegedly took place in his f*cking house!

I mean let's be real, Cain was reckless but he was only trying to hurt One Guy. Whereas his son testified to police that he saw the pedo take lots of other kids into the bathroom, too. Who's the "repeat offender"? Who is the REAL "risk" person?

This guy, per the article, did not work at the daycare despite living at the residence. So WHY was he taking kids into the f*cking bathroom? JESUS.

Not a bad article, if a tiny bit slanted towards the "He was too reckless" side. I mean alright, yeah, that's a point. But what idiot let the "accused" pedo out on the streets without bail? That was the domino that sent the others toppling over. The system failed, and when that happens, people take the law into their own hands.

Anyway, worth a read. Cain got himself one of the best lawyers he can get, so that helps. I doubt he'll do the 20+ years he's threatened with if convicted. But if he does... Then yeah, system's broken.

03-02-2022, 10:59 PM	#1
~~Leo656~~ Banned Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: nWo Country Posts: 27,703	Cain Velasquez Situation So I figure this should be a fun conversation. Google it and c'mon back. Lotta folks on social media seem to think he's a hero, with a smattering of folks who think he's just a lunatic. But what say You?

03-02-2022, 11:15 PM	#2
Autbot_Benz Hellblazer Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: Ventura California Posts: 9,194	My stance is anyone who is a pedo gets what's coming to him. Shame Cain didn't kill him before the cops got there.especially since it was Cain's relative that was touched inappropriately __________________ I respect what FW cartoon did for the turtles franchise but it is the most overrated and hard to watch of the 3 turtles cartoons.

03-03-2022, 09:58 PM	#7
IMJ Emperor Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Midwest, U.S.A. Posts: 8,901	All I'm saying is that there is a lot more witch hunting and accusations that aren't always true in the world than most people like to pile on about. And if the guy is guilty, then different story but Velasquez is still a vigilante. He might have some defense in court for it given his testimonial emotional state at the time. __________________ Wave 1 Collectibles Online Market Watch Blog Collection Photography

03-04-2022, 09:42 AM	#10
IMJ Emperor Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Midwest, U.S.A. Posts: 8,901	Well, sometimes a person's word can evolve into truth through detail in trial. Did that happen here? __________________ Wave 1 Collectibles Online Market Watch Blog Collection Photography

03-03-2022, 06:52 AM	#3
joe-eyeball Stone Warrior Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Cleveland Posts: 708	I certainly never going to feel sorry for a pedo getting eliminated but Cain probably should’ve used a bit more control. I mean it’s one thing to meet the guy face to face to take care of business but to shoot wildly into an occupied car is far more reckless. He’s probably not going to just walk away from this. The whole story is sad.

03-03-2022, 09:14 PM	#5
~~Leo656~~ Banned Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: nWo Country Posts: 27,703	I guess we don't. But conventional feeling when it comes to accusations of pederasty seems to be "Take no chances, shoot first and ask questions later." Most people seem to feel like the only things he did "wrong" were the high-speed chase part and shooting the wrong guy by accident. Many people also point out how, if for the sake of argument both men end up convicted of the crimes they are accused of, the "alleged" child molester would be out of jail a few decades earlier than Cain would be, and how that in no way feels like "justice". Consensus seems to be, "Give Cain a slap on the wrist for endangering civilians during the high speed chase, but throw out the attempted murder charge since the guy deserved it." Some people are raising a stink because the wrong guy got shot. But I kind of suspect his parents (the other people in the vehicle, the stepfather being the one who got shot) knew the guy's deal. A LOT of pedos end up living at home because they can't safely assimilate into society, and furthermore I am incredibly suspect of anyone who works with kids. So they probably enabled and covered up for the guy, I figure. In-home daycare places seem shady as f*ck. I'unno, it's been all over my news feed for a couple of days so I wondered if anyone else had heard.

03-03-2022, 09:51 PM	#6
Prowler Emperor Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,999	I honestly hadn't heard of this until I read this thread. Don't know anything beyond what's been written in the thread so far. Was the guy he shot guilty? If so, what proof did Cain Velazquez have? Let's say the guy was indeed guilty. Unless Velazquez killed him in self-defense(highly unlikely, it seems) then I don't think he'll be able to legally get away with killing another human being. Taking matters into your own hands just isn't something you're allowed to do. Society isn't supposed to work like that. Does this mean I feel sorry for the guy who was killed, if he in fact was guilty? Of course not. But society and courts shouldn't allow people to take matters into their own hands like that either. Otherwise we'd see a lot more people getting murdered after being wrongly accused of something they didn't actually do. That's what lawyers, judges and courts are for. I understand the system is flawed and often bad people get away with ****. And I certainly understand how that revolts and angers honest law-abiding people. That being said, if I had a son and someone had done something like that to him... I'd most likely murder the abuser, or at least feel tempted to do so. I think most parents would at least think about it. Doesn't mean they'd have the guts to pull the trigger at the end. I probably wouldn't either. But humans, like all species, get dangerous and aggressive when you hurt their offspring.

03-03-2022, 10:17 PM	#9
~~Leo656~~ Banned Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: nWo Country Posts: 27,703	I kinda feel like Dana White banged the nail. To paraphrase: "Kinda hard to be mad at Cain, everyone always says that's what they would do if it were their kid, he actually went and did it." Seems like literally the entire MMA community is behind him, at least. Rousey apparently being the latest to comment saying she would've done worse. I guess I get the whole "accusations" bit, but the fact is we as a society do, occasionally, put rapists and pedophiles in jail and most times there's no "proof" besides someone's word. On SOME level, "Well they PROBABLY did it" has to be good enough because especially in cases of child molestation there's almost never any "proof". Otherwise there'd be like zero convictions for that at all. Unless they get lucky and find porn on someone's computer, almost every pedophile in jail was convicted not because there was proof, but because "They MIGHT be guilty and we can't risk it." I'unno. I don't have a lot of respect for the legal system so a little vigilante justice is alright by me depending on circumstances. I think where he f*cked up was the high speed chase and shooting the wrong guy. Common sense dictates that you T-bone the other car so they can't move, then walk up to the car and stick your gun in the window to be SURE you hit the right guy. Sounds to me like he was doing "Spray N Pray", which isn't how you do it. But I can't say he had the wrong idea in general. Just really sloppy execution. There's still the fact that if both guys were hypothetically found guilty and even went to jail on the same day... The pedophile would be back on the streets literally decades sooner. That just doesn't feel right.

03-16-2022, 06:28 PM	#11
~~Leo656~~ Banned Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: nWo Country Posts: 27,703	https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/form...143400940.html It's funny to me how the judge denied his bail citing that releasing Cain was a danger to the community... And yet a different judge saw no problem with letting a guy accused of "over 100 incidents" of child molestation go free which is what led to this situation in the first place. Like, if the pedo was behind bars, nothing that followed could have happened. So what, if you're accused of being a pedo and the court sees enough merit in said charges to put you on house arrest - a joke punishment - then I guess you're NOT "a danger to the community"? It's even more asinine that the guy was given "house arrest" as a punishment considering that all the molestation incidents allegedly took place in his fcking house!* I mean let's be real, Cain was reckless but he was only trying to hurt One Guy. Whereas his son testified to police that he saw the pedo take lots of other kids into the bathroom, too. Who's the "repeat offender"? Who is the REAL "risk" person? This guy, per the article, did not work at the daycare despite living at the residence. So WHY was he taking kids into the f*cking bathroom? JESUS. Not a bad article, if a tiny bit slanted towards the "He was too reckless" side. I mean alright, yeah, that's a point. But what idiot let the "accused" pedo out on the streets without bail? That was the domino that sent the others toppling over. The system failed, and when that happens, people take the law into their own hands. Anyway, worth a read. Cain got himself one of the best lawyers he can get, so that helps. I doubt he'll do the 20+ years he's threatened with if convicted. But if he does... Then yeah, system's broken.