DC/WB Confirm ''The Flash: Flashpoint'' Movie

[AquaParade]

Originally Posted by ZariusTwo

Test screening of The Flash was last night, here are the alleged leaks

Spoiler:

-Superman timeline erased. Zod restored. Cavill gone for good
-You want to get nuts? Keaton is 'nuts'
-Affleck lives, but is trapped someplace. This is a post-credits scene. Rumour is he'll be back for a Crisis movie
-Christian Bale is in this
-Black Flash is the villain

Spoiler:

That second to last one sounds insane. I'm skeptical because "Cavill gone for good" sounds more like a rumor than something you can confirm from seeing a film. Who knows though.

[neatoman]

Spoiler:

Kinda weird to think Bale is in this, considering how Nolan bent over backwards to scrub the unrealistic elements away from Batman. Like, there's no Lazarus Pit, Joker Skin Bleach or Venom Drug in those movies, so having the multiverse thing pop in seems off.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by neatoman

Spoiler:

Kinda weird to think Bale is in this, considering how Nolan bent over backwards to scrub the unrealistic elements away from Batman. Like, there's no Lazarus Pit, Joker Skin Bleach or Venom Drug in those movies, so having the multiverse thing pop in seems off.

Spoiler:

But since Nolan has nothing to do with this...

Originally Posted by AquaParade

Spoiler:

That second to last one sounds insane. I'm skeptical because "Cavill gone for good" sounds more like a rumor than something you can confirm from seeing a film. Who knows though.

Spoiler:

Yeah, assuming its true and without knowing the context, that could be anything. "Cavill gone for good" could mean he gets thrown into the sun/the Phantom Zone/etc., only to emerge in Man of Steel 2 or something connected to Black Adam.

[neatoman]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

Spoiler:

But since Nolan has nothing to do with this...

Spoiler:

Obviously Nolan has no control over this but it's more about how doing this with a version of Batman that went out it's way to be as grounded as the concept could conceivably be. It would be like if someone made a sequel to Deer Hunter where everyone is saved by time travel to help defeat the Neo Viet Cong in the year 2172.

[AquaParade]

Originally Posted by neatoman

Spoiler:

Obviously Nolan has no control over this but it's more about how doing this with a version of Batman that went out it's way to be as grounded as the concept could conceivably be. It would be like if someone made a sequel to Deer Hunter where everyone is saved by time travel to help defeat the Neo Viet Cong in the year 2172.

Spoiler:

You’re both right, but I think we all know it’s the biggest chess piece they have, and if they want to compete with NWH….

[Leo656]

Bummer but not unexpected. If Cavill was ever coming back they wouldn't have let him wait 5 years for a phone call. Still, it's a shame. They'll never find a better Superman than that guy, I don't care what they hope to get from the Michael B. Jordan experiment.

I'm morbidly curious to see how this movie turns out - I suspect poorly, but I am curious - but this pretty much confirms that it'll be the last DC movie I see for a very long time. Perhaps ever, and I'm not even being facetious. The stuff I'm most interested in, they flat-out refuse to give me, so I just don't feel like giving them my money. It's not impossible that three or five years from now they might do something that catches my eye or tickles my fancy, but I'm not holding my breath and I also don't really care about any of the other stuff they're doing at all.

So yeah, I'll most likely see this - not sure about in theaters, it'll really depend on my mood since I know for a fact going in I'm going to come out pissed off, and I don't like spending money to walk out of a movie theater in a bad mood. But I'll see it eventually, and after that...

Gosh, after that I just might plain not give a sh*t about going to the movies anymore. Didn't really see THAT coming a few years ago but... eh. Like I literally don't give a sh*t about any new movies coming out at all, I'd rather catch up on old stuff I've missed. So I won't be bored, but I also don't have anything new to care about and that's kind of a bummer.

Ah well. That's life.

[Autbot_Benz]

Originally Posted by Leo656

Bummer but not unexpected. If Cavill was ever coming back they wouldn't have let him wait 5 years for a phone call. Still, it's a shame. They'll never find a better Superman than that guy, I don't care what they hope to get from the Michael B. Jordan experiment.

ya Cavill doesn't deserve this disrespect from those idiots at Warners. I always wanted a Man Of Steel 2 they never gave him a shot at playing fully realized superman and its a damn shame.

[Leo656]

I mean, I loved their whole "Year One Superman"/"He's Still Learning How To Be That Guy" approach to the material since it's never really been done in a movie before and it's some of the most fertile ground for character development; once he's fully-formed as The Perfect Superman people keep saying they want to see then there's no real drama left because he's got nowhere else to go. The stories stop being about him as a person and are all about Who He's Fighting and How To Stop Them. Which can be exciting, but also redundant, and on some level it turns him into a walking/flying Deus Ex Machina and not a "character".

But I never had a problem with the idea that he'd eventually become the "perfect, infallible, all-knowing, never makes any mistakes" version of the Superman character. It's just that the entire POINT was to see him start out from zero and BECOME the version of the character people want to see and not just dump him out of a box fully-formed like the Reeve movies did. And in the end, WB robbed everyone of that journey - after it had already begun, no less - because the audience had no patience for character development or letting the story play out.

Like, sometimes I really get annoyed with Superman "fans" because while I understand their love for the character for their own reasons, I've been around and spoken to enough of them to know what their collective consensus is; it HAS to be "Chris Reeve Redux or NOTHING", to these people. They're the ones who openly prefer the awful Whedon cut of Justice League to the real one, because "At least Superman acts like Chris Reeve in it." Yeah, out of nowhere, with no real build, he just pops out of the ground, gets a pep talk from Lois, and suddenly he's making terrible one-liners and forced-laughing his ass off because "Cyborg can't feel his toes". F*cking AWFUL.

And when you ask them, full-stop, "WHY, if you're a Superman fan, did you not like Cavill's portrayal?", they almost ALL say, "I just want him to act like Chris Reeve. Do that, we won't have any problems." Well, maybe it would've gotten to somewhere in that vein if they just let things play out and not stomped their feet making demands and being all impatient about it.

People scream about "movies having no Character Development", and yet, they don't have any patience to let Characters actually Develop; or if they do, it needs to be within one single two-hour span and no longer. "I want to see a character go on a journey, but they BETTER be A+ Perfect by the time the credits roll or I'm calling it Character Assassination."

I was really looking forward to seeing Superman "become Superman" over three or four movies and I liked how they approached it with what they'd already done. To see it all thrown away because people can't get over the portrayal of another actor, from another movie, which was made so long ago that almost everyone in it is f*cking DEAD now... well, it's irksome.

Can you imagine if the Nolan Batman movies failed because "This Bale guy doesn't act enough like Michael Keaton" or "This Ledger guy does a terrible Nicholson impersonation"? Batman fans are incredibly open to new takes on the characters and material; Superman fans, not so much. And that is very, very, VERY annoying because by and large Superman fans spend a lot of time patting themselves on the back for being more optimistic and open-minded than the next guy, but they actually are not.

It is what it is, but it's frustrating. Not altogether unexpected. But frustrating.
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EDIT: Case in Point, I just this minute saw on the Superman Homepage that the "Shazam: Fury of the Gods" director said in an AMA that he'd never want to do a Superman movie because fans' demands and expectations make it pretty much impossible to please anyone, because every Superman fan has their own idea of "The Right Way" to do it and they won't accept anything but Their Way.

In response to this, fans reply that the guy's basically a lazy, uncreative hack, with the usual side helping of "ALL you have to do is THIS, it's SO EASY (as spoken by people who've never made a $200 million movie that's expected/demanded to gross a billion; I'm sure they're completely aware of just how "easy" that is to do, and that they simply heckle from the cheap seats out of boredom and not because they actually can't do sh*t)."

In this case, nobody mentioned Chris Reeve by name YET, but their "demands" for "All You Have To Do, Dummies" are once again, more or less, "Just Copy That Movie From 50 Years Ago."

A lot of these same exact posters loved "Shazam!" and said things in the vein of, "That's the Superman movie we should have gotten", and such. NOW, though, those same exact individuals are calling the director a hack because he very politely (but accurately) pointed out how closed-minded and entitled these fans are with how their favorite character is portrayed in movies.

People in Hollywood have been saying for 30 years, "You can't do a Superman movie anymore, because The Fans are stuck in the past and set in their ways." This isn't new. And for just as long, those fans have been calling those filmmakers lazy hacks and swearing up and down they themselves could do better. They couldn't; all they know is some fairy-tale kids' movie from five decades ago and they want that to be the gold standard NOW. It's insane. I grew up loving that movie, but now I'm slowly starting to despise it because people simply won't let the character in live action evolve or exist outside of that very dated, albeit earnest portrayal. Like, it's a good movie and without it we wouldn't have anything we have Now, but Jesus Christ already.

"Fans" can't say it's absurd to call them spoiled and entitled while in the same breath telling people "ALL you have to do is make the exact same movie I loved when I was three, but with better special effects. But you can ONLY do that, anything else is garbage." Get bent, nerds.

[ZariusTwo]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

Spoiler:

Yeah, assuming its true and without knowing the context, that could be anything. "Cavill gone for good" could mean he gets thrown into the sun/the Phantom Zone/etc., only to emerge in Man of Steel 2 or something connected to Black Adam.

Spoiler:

Cavill's Superman is gone from the theatrical DC universe, but his timeline from Zack Snyder's JL exists and is cordoned off, it's this reality that Ben Affleck's Batman is in after this movie. His 'ideal' world (this is actually something from the recent comics where Pariah sent Barry into his own 'ideal' timeline)

[Andrew NDB]

If I was to digest these rumors as fact, it sounds like...

Spoiler:

* Zod kills Superman as a baby.

* Supergirl shows up instead. Supergirl becomes the "Superman" of the new DCEU.

* Stage is set for either one of the two black Superman projects to introduce us to the new "real" Superman in the next couple of years.

Still not sure how this slides in Keaton as the new DCEU Batman. This would seem like a major part that would have been spoilered if these are legit spoilers.

Like, what? I get an "Oops!" and the timeline gets screwed up this way or that or this person gets suppressed while this other person comes up. But how is someone plucked from another universe gets planted into the main one and suddenly has always been there?

[ZariusTwo]

https://twitter.com/bigscreenleaks/s...60913602899970

Overshadowed in his own movie by Keaton

[AquaParade]

Originally Posted by ZariusTwo

https://twitter.com/bigscreenleaks/s...60913602899970

Overshadowed in his own movie by Keaton

Of course. It’s mother-effin Keaton back as Batman. Though, apparently not the one we remember from the Burton movies, as crazy as that sounds. I’m not 100% sure on that but it’s what I’ve been hearing.

Almost makes sense when you consider that version of Batman more or less became the Kilmer and Clooney version. Doesn’t WB treat that as the same continuity?

[ZariusTwo]

Emergency meeting was called on March 30th to discuss Ezra's future

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/...160018551.html

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by ZariusTwo

Emergency meeting was called on March 30th to discuss Ezra's future

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/...160018551.html

Good.

How awesome would it be if they took the next year to do reshoots and introduce a "real" Barry Allen that takes over for the Ezra... thing?

[Vegita-San]

I'd be shocked if anything was done. the dude comes across as a total stoner with a one note kristen stewart like expression of disinterest.

I'm ashamed he's from my town in NJ.

[AquaParade]

Originally Posted by Vegita-San

I'd be shocked if anything was done. the dude comes across as a total stoner with a one note kristen stewart like expression of disinterest.

I'm ashamed he's from my town in NJ.

Stoners don't go around choking people and flipping the hell out, generally speaking.

As tempting it is to rag on the guy, there are now some murmurs that he has been acting funny on the set of The Flash, but not necessarily lashing out or being abrasive with people...just short of "losing it" according to the source. Actually makes me feel kind of bad for him.

Could be substance abuse, could be he just needs to learn a lesson, but if he's just mental and cracking, then it's sort of sad.

[Sumac]

He acts like a big liability.
Its either time in rehab or he will go the way of Cyborg.

[Andrew NDB]

Maybe they will recast him in the Craptastic Beasts movies, too.

[TigerClaw]

Its possible the dude has bipolar disorder.

[Andrew NDB]

Here's what I'd do at this point, like if I was Discovery right now:

1. Pause post-production on The Flash and do reshoots where "the real" Barry Allen (blond hair, stoic, a man's man like in the comics) shows up and replaces the Ezra Miller version by the end of the movie. We can say it's because of Ezra Miller's actions IRL in press releases but in reality, we will know it's because he isn't remotely anything like the real Barry Allen and doesn't have that in him and never did.

2. Put "Superman" (Man of Steel 2) into production with Henry Cavill. Immediately. Now. Yesterday. If this means pausing some other projects then do so. Enough is enough and no more dicking around. Also, while I appreciate the "Jesse Eisenberg experiment," it didn't work. Luckily, Snyder left himself an escape hatch with it: Lex, Sr.. So let's bring in Lex, Sr. (maybe a Daniel Day Lewis type?) and have a proper Lex this time.

3. Do either an Affleck Batman movie or an Affleck HBO Max series. The Pattinson movies can continue as a separate, over there in the corner/who cares thing for people who like their Batman even more grounded than Nolan. If Affleck expresses misgivings/weariness then throw a bag of drinking money at him.

4. Get WW3 into production but make sure Patty Jenkins understands the character this time. Maybe give her a creative handler. Not Geoff Johns but a Geoff Johns type. Mark Waid? Morrison? Also, probably get this into production soon so there isn't 10 years between movies again?

5. Release the other WB DC movies in production like Shazam 2, Black Adam, Aquaman 2, etc., while injecting stuff that builds toward a new Justice League movie that continues the Darkseid stuff from the Snyder Cut of JL.

6. Good god, fast track the Green Lantern Corps movie already. How are we getting a Blue Beetle movie before this? Involve GL writers other than just Geoff Johns. Absolutely no SJW liberties with Alan Scott, if he's in the movie.

7. No, no phone calls to be made to Ray Fisher. Too much of a liability and Cyborg isn't a real League member (no, Geoff writing him into the New 52 doesn't count because Geoff knew he'd be in the movie and wanted to seem clever/ahead of the game). Yes he was decent in Snyder's JL but no he's not worth it. And WB is historically very overreactive to people who rock the boat. We shouldn't risk the Snyderverse being given a second shake by a Teen Titan actor who thinks "boo-yah" (which is not to praise the Whedon cut, by any means) is problematic.

8. Do a Martian Manhunter movie or HBO Max series with Harry Lennix. Build him up a bit.