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[Leo656]

They'd hyped it up too much to postpone it, I think, and probably shot and edited it too long ago to redo much of anything.

I mean, I get why people are uncomfortable, but as I understand it, it's a direct callback to the Order 66 scene in RotS, which would in turn directly affect and inform the plot of this series, so... eh. If we can never depict any fiction that has a parallel to real-life events - even uncomfortable ones - that leaves us with very little to work with, ultimately. Like, when would it come around to be "less icky" and "more acceptable"? One month later? Six? A year? Clearly that wasn't gonna happen. Should they have cut the entire thing? Should they HAVE to? It's worth a conversation, but it's not like they were trying to be insensitive or salacious.

Timing was undoubtedly unfortunate but eh, whatyagonnado. Some people found "Cloverfieled" insensitive due to its razing of NYC and characters onscreen wondering out loud if it was another terrorist attack... and that was YEARS after 9/11.

I'm inclined to think - without having seen the scene in dispute, I'll remind - that some people would have found the same scene just as "insensitive" even if it were a year out from any real-life events. But also, that they were theoretically right to include such a scene for the sake of storyline continuity.

But again, didn't actually see it. And probably won't. Disney Star Wars? YUCK! Can't see myself ever being that bored, but you never know.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by ZariusTwo

What's wrong with it? he's right on the money and there is an evident racist backlash, only the usual scum excuse it as 'criticism'

The problem isn't that it's being excused as "criticism," the problem is that it's being acknowledged at all. These are Twitter handles and Instagram accounts! Right now myself or anyone could go and make 20 fake accounts on either and troll people as a fake racist just for fun if I wanted to. There isn't, like, real people you can follow these back to. Are the posts of, say, "chimerabat_20391" or "akira4ever$$21" or whoever really something worthy of putting under the magnifying glass?

We circle around and arrive right back at: boo hoo! Mean people on the internet said mean things to you? Wahhhhh!!! What purpose is shining a light on this serving? Just to tell us how anti-racist you are?

Though in this particular case this seems very manufactured. Disney braced the actress for racist internet backlash weeks in advance before there was the slightest hint there would be any, Disney got in front of it publicly and loudly before it even happened... now we're getting messages from all the cast about how horrible that there's a little bit here and there, maybe? This is a stupid marketing campaign to get people to notice the strong black female lead they have. That, "see? It's not JUST a straight white male here, folks!" But it never needed to do it.

Originally Posted by superstaff

I thought it was hilariously tone deaf given recent events. Usually they'll postpone something like after a school shooting or whatever, for 'sensitivity' reasons. I guess Disney didn't care this time.

Originally Posted by Leo656

They'd hyped it up too much to postpone it, I think, and probably shot and edited it too long ago to redo much of anything.

I would've understood if they postponed it a little, not if they edited the scene. And they certainly don't need to apologize for it. And a fictional leader ordering thousands of fictional military soldiers to execute all fictional magicians in another galaxy isn't quite the same as "whackjob goes into a school IRL and starts shooting children indiscriminately" and it's even a little insulting to try and conflate the two.

[Autbot_Benz]

Episode 3 was very good lots of Vader. So far Kenobi is a million times better than book of boba fett

[IMJ]

Really looking forward to Episode 3....

[CyberCubed]

This episode was better than the first two, and was entertaining the whole way. Darth Vader vs Obi-wan went as you would expect with Obi-wan being out of practice. The only thing I don't get is why Vader didn't just lift Obi-wan from across the flames or even jump over it. I guess you can assume he let him go on purpose. The actress playing kid Leia was also really good in this episode.

Also James Earl Jones voice was very good, there's speculation they modified it digitally to sound more like his old self, his name is in the credits so we know he's still voicing him.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

This episode was better than the first two, and was entertaining the whole way. Darth Vader vs Obi-wan went as you would expect with Obi-wan being out of practice. The only thing I don't get is why Vader didn't just lift Obi-wan from across the flames or even jump over it. I guess you can assume he let him go on purpose. The actress playing kid Leia was also really good in this episode.

Is there a sense that "this is it" as far as the Darth Vader material in this show?

[CyberCubed]

Obi-wan and Vader need another rematch so their encounter in the first movie makes sense. Vader calls Obi-wan the Master and they're evenly matched there, whereas here Obi-wan is outclassed. The only way the movie fits now is if they have a rematch and Obi-wan defeats Vader or does damage enough to him before he escapes.

[Leo656]

I disagree with that. I mean it would be nice fanservice BUT I think it would very heavily contradict the movies' narrative.

That line of dialog in A New Hope and the way RotS supports it pretty heavily implies that was the last time they saw each other. Darth Vader in Full Darth Vader Form being called "but the learner" in ANY context would ring false, and "when I left you" heavily implies that he means WAY before he went Full Vader, which would imply Ep. III and no later.

...Not that Disney has had ANY problem contradicting the established movie narrative. Just saying, it wouldn't make any sense under any scrutiny whatsoever. They'll probably do it just for the hell of it but that doesn't mean it's not a screwy thing to do.

[Andrew NDB]

Technically Vader said "when I left you, I was the learner." Meaning when he was being trained by him. He didn't say "the last time I saw you." So eh, kind of works?

[Leo656]

In what context is he just "the learner" at this point?

I mean technically we're all "but the learner" since every day we absorb some new information. But that is a VERY philosophical way to take a statement that was clearly meant to be taken in a very literal and specific way.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by Leo656

In what context is he just "the learner" at this point?.

The more important piece of the quote is "when I left you." He only "left" Obi-Wan once, which was when he was his apprentice.

[CyberCubed]

Either way they have to fight again, with Obi-wan beating Vader in combat to show Vader is still inferior to him, which makes sense why they act the way they do in the original movie now. Vader needs to be the "learner" again, so Obi-wan has to teach him a lesson.

[Vegita-San]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

Jesus... now they got Ewan McGregor responding to these imagined (or possibly concocted) racist backlash to the black Inquisitor lady:



Skip just a few seconds into it to hear it. Ugh!!!

and all this 'uproar' over about 4 Suspicious looking DM's. Right out of the Feigbusters playbook.

[Leo656]

Just a little while ago I actually just read an article about people trolling celebrities' Inboxes.

It happens all the time, to EVERYONE. Most of the trolls do it specifically because they think the person is "too busy" to ever read or reply to it in the first place. It doesn't make it right, it's incredibly dumb, but I mean, it's a non-issue. This One gets called a racist name, That One gets called a fat bitch, This Other One gets called a gay slur or something... it's the nature of social media.

All a person has to do is not read it and it goes away. See a PM from a person you don't know, don't even read it, just Block and Delete or whatever. It's not like they're burning crosses outside of her f*cking house.

I'll probably never watch the show so I have no idea who this person even is, but I mean... crying about troll PMs is a bit middle school, isn't it?

[IMJ]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

Technically Vader said "when I left you, I was the learner." Meaning when he was being trained by him. He didn't say "the last time I saw you." So eh, kind of works?

That's a great point actually. I hadn't considered that and I was wondering the same thing.....

Love this show so far, but I do wish that the Reeva chick was played as a Sith-hopeful rather than a hoodrat with a shank. But that aside, it's a great show so far.

[frank_one]

Obi Wan shouldn't have met Vader again between ep3 and ep4, it's just not how the story was supposed to be. It's a bad idea and we all know it. Unfortunately fanservice is the rule now and companies don't care about what is right or wrong, they only care about what is cool for the fans.

[Andrew NDB]

My biggest problem with the show is how flatly everything is shot. It all looks like TV, for the most part. In episodes 1 and 2 it's easy to not dwell on that, but episode 3 makes it super clear when Vader shows up. They shoot him like he's just another character on the show. Super flat. What really would help and boost things up several notches is some real Star Wars music. I truly don't understand the choice not to have any. If they didn't want to use the actual Williams tracks, surely they could have someone compose some Williams-like music, right? There's no way it could be a budgetary issue.

So I'm enjoying the show but it's a constant, "Man, this could have been so much better."

[Leo656]

I read that the budget was slashed and production was rushed.

[AquaParade]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

My biggest problem with the show is how flatly everything is shot. It all looks like TV, for the most part. In episodes 1 and 2 it's easy to not dwell on that, but episode 3 makes it super clear when Vader shows up. They shoot him like he's just another character on the show. Super flat. What really would help and boost things up several notches is some real Star Wars music. I truly don't understand the choice not to have any. If they didn't want to use the actual Williams tracks, surely they could have someone compose some Williams-like music, right? There's no way it could be a budgetary issue.

So I'm enjoying the show but it's a constant, "Man, this could have been so much better."

I'm overall disappointed with all the Disney+ shows I've seen, except WandaVision.

They all feel too cheap for what they're trying to be. It's like budget-HBO for kids.

They pushed these as essentially being six-hours of the experience you get from the movies, but it doesn't feel that way.

[IMJ]

There are a lot of comparisons going around between this and the beats of the Last Jedi. I agree with all of them in the moment, but the thing is that there are episodes left to see how this really all plays out.

The show doesn't have to end with Ben in hiding and shamed and abandoning the Force like pathetic old-man Luke in TLJ. Now if the show wraps up that way, then it will be a $#!(show in hindsight.