DC/WB Confirm ''The Flash: Flashpoint'' Movie

[superstaff]

Originally Posted by Leo656

That'd certainly be the best-case scenario.

Scrap it entirely, recast, and start over with... y'know... an Actual Flash Movie. Not "Grandpa Batman & Affirmative-Action Supergirl Save the Multiverse, Guest-Starring The Flash", which is what this piece of sh*t is.

Leo.

Leo656.

Come on.

You and I both know damn well they are never going to scrap it, and redo it. Never. After all the money they funneled into that gigantic pile of-- yeah, they're probably going to wait the drama out even if it means pushing it back to 2024 (), promote it with Keaton, and then they're going to hope and pray it at least breaks even. Problem is, redoing it entirely is going to take even more time than just pushing it back, and they have a 'schedule' for these movies already (even if they aren't super interconnected like the MCU stuff).

I dunno. WB is dumb. As you said, the Flash sounds like a trainwreck (I'm a little baffled people say it isn't, and that the test screenings were super positive...wtf), and that was the best they could come up with for a movie plot for this character. I don't think they're going to make the right choices on what to do about the Miller controversy.

[Leo656]

I didn't say they WOULD do it, I just said they SHOULD. Nobody ever does what they "should", that just goes without saying.

Any "positivity" from the test screenings is 100% just nitwits who REALLY care about seeing 98-year old Batman running around. In a FLASH MOVIE.

Like dude, c'mon. I loved that movie when I was 7 like everyone else but for f*ck's sake already. Nostalgia is f*cking poison. The opiate of idiots who can't stop living in the past.

[superstaff]

Originally Posted by Leo656

Any "positivity" from the test screenings is 100% just nitwits who REALLY care about seeing 98-year old Batman running around. In a FLASH MOVIE.

Like dude, c'mon. I loved that movie when I was 7 like everyone else but for f*ck's sake already. Nostalgia is f*cking poison. The opiate of idiots who can't stop living in the past.

Yeeep.

In fact, this might be a huge reason why WB might take the 'wait and see' route. They know most audiences will watch and love it for Keaton alone, and probably think they don't need Miller for press tours, and that people might not care about Miller. And who knows, maybe they're right. Maybe the masses, while saying they hate Miller, will try pony up to go see Michael Keaton in a batsuit saving the multi-verse with Affirmative Action Kara. Hell, they might just cut some of Miller's scenes, and push Keaton to the forefront even more.

It sounds so absolutely terrible to someone like me, but I do know most people will still love and pay for really bad stuff if it's hyped and/or has a brand name backing. The question is, will people care more about Miller's controversies or more about seeing Michael Keaton in a batsuit?

[Leo656]

The latter. 100%.

Not one person was ever buying a ticket to this "Flash movie" to see Flash. It's only EVER been about Keaton from the start.

And that's why I hate people.

[superstaff]

Originally Posted by Leo656

The latter. 100%.

Not one person was ever buying a ticket to this "Flash movie" to see Flash. It's only EVER been about Keaton from the start.

I think they could make a great Flash movie, starring the actual Flash, whether Barry or not, or even whether Ezra Miller's Barry or not. In better hands, with a better studio (...er...scratch that since most studios are blah now...).

They just chose to make what they made because WB's 'creatives' are just cynical f*cks who think the only way to sell a 'lame superhero' like Flash is to put Batman, more specifically Keaton's version, in it.

This is one of the problems with WB and their leadership.

[AquaParade]

The test screenings reported that Ezra was actually really good in the multiple roles. Not surprising, as he has shown talent as an actor.

Who knows though. Test screenings aren't proof of anything. It just means WB thinks they have a good movie, which will impact their decision making.

Originally Posted by sdp

What are the chances if this gets worse that DC won't release the movie at all ever? I certainly don't expect it coming out the next 2 years.

The movie being completely shelved is the least probable outcome.

Reshoots would be too expensive and time consuming though. I don't see that happening either.

[superstaff]

Originally Posted by AquaParade

The test screenings reported that Ezra was actually really good in the multiple roles. Not surprising, as he has shown talent as an actor.

Who knows though. Test screenings aren't proof of anything. It just means WB thinks they have a good movie, which will impact their decision making.

The movie being completely shelved is the least probable outcome.

Reshoots would be too expensive and time consuming though. I don't see that happening either.

Yep, I agree with all of this.

There have been flops that had amazing test screenings, but even still, as you said, the positive test screenings will have the execs believe they have a hit on their hands. Thus they will probably want to hold onto what they have, and in its current state.

Sunk cost fallacy is totally going to factor in. Believe me, I've been following movies since I was a young'in. When a studio sinks tons of money into a project, they'll want to see it through to the bitter end even if they know the movie is a steaming pile.

[ZariusTwo]

David Zaslav expected to make a decision 'soon'

https://deadline.com/2022/06/ezra-mi...av-1235048001/

[Andrew NDB]

Talk about a hard call. No matter what he decides it's going to cost a ton of money and piss at least one group of people off. Even if it's just "we're releasing the movie as-is."

Ezra may go down in history as the actor who, due to nothing other than his personal life behavior, cost the most money to a big budget production. One way or the other.

[Leo656]

And he can't even be punished without someone screaming bigotry and homophobia. What an age we live in.

[frank_one]

I wonder, is his career as an actor over? No one is going to hire him ever again, right?

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by frank_one

I wonder, is his career as an actor over? No one is going to hire him ever again, right?

Nobody. Not even in the indie sphere. He's beyond radioactive. Even for groups where he was a "useful LGBTQ" member. All backs will be turned now. The left will be busy sweeping these stories about him under the rug and the right will be either laughing at him or pointing a finger at him at what he did.

[Jester]

Come on guys...Miller uses they/them, it, or zir pronouns...please respect that.


I'm just joshin'.

[Coola Yagami]

Originally Posted by Jester

Come on guys...Miller uses they/them, it, or zir pronouns...please respect that.


I'm just joshin'.

To be fair, he did attack someone at a restaurant once over the pronouns thing. In Ezra's case, it's not all joshing lol.

[Andrew NDB]

So Ezra is not only on the run, but he's got the 12 year-old in tow with him? Is this right?

https://www.foxnews.com/entertainmen...-massachusetts

[Coola Yagami]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

So Ezra is not only on the run, but he's got the 12 year-old in tow with him? Is this right?

https://www.foxnews.com/entertainmen...-massachusetts

Yep.

Has there ever been a movie with such a horrible behind the scenes history, besides maybe the Wizard of Oz? I mean as a kid what do I know. Keaton and DeVito coulda been double teamming Pfieffer every night during filming and as a kid back then I never woulda known. But then again I don't remember a case where a 'big' movie is going to come out and the star is on the run from the law.

[Leo656]

No, it's two separate incidents which are being conflated because modern journalists have very poor basic writing skills. Thus things get confused.

The person Ezra is traveling with was 12 when they met but is 18 now; that's the one with the Native American family who says Ezra is keeping her plied with drugs to brainwash her, while she counters that her parents are transphobic.

This article is mostly about another, entirely separate person who Miller started doting undue attention upon when they were 12. Which was apparently more recent.

It's two separate incidents with two different individuals involved. The linking factors being the family being pissed and, of course, Ezra Miller is apparently a f*cking pedo since this is a pattern of behavior it seems.

But no, the person Miller "kidnapped and brainwashed" and is on the run with him is technically an adult but they were a kid when they met. Separate incident from this new one. I'm guessing this family were emboldened by the story of the other family and decided to take their own action, I guess in case Miller ever tried to reestablish contact with the kid.

Most of the articles about it are rather poorly-written and thus it's easy to get the facts mixed up at just a glance. Plus, both people being 12 when first approached by Miller does make it easy to confuse them.

[Sumac]

Originally Posted by Leo656

The latter. 100%.

Not one person was ever buying a ticket to this "Flash movie" to see Flash. It's only EVER been about Keaton from the start.

And that's why I hate people.

You know, I can say the same about Superman.

[Leo656]

Not sure what you mean, Superman isn't in this movie.

Are you somehow implying that 105-year old Batman SHOULD be the star of a movie called "The Flash"? Because that's not a defensible opinion. It's simply wrong.

[ZariusTwo]

Rolling Stone have a new expose. Ezra has a family of three children and their mother held up in his Valmont Farm loaded with guns



https://www.marca.com/en/lifestyle/c...8668b45ad.html